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Jeff Suppan is not fixed just yet

We last looked at Jeff Suppan after he experienced some control problems in his first two starts, which prompted me to ask if he was even capable of recovering. I concluded that his stuff has deteriorated to the point that he must rely on plus control to have any success, and he has found some of that control over the past three starts, stringing together three quality outings in a row. Is his stuff better, or is he just locating now and getting back to normal?

One of the best ways to measure how "nasty" a pitcher's stuff is working is by looking at their swinging strikes induced. He has gotten more, but it does not appear that something major changed after the second start.

Swinging Strike Trends

2 swinging strikes, 63 pitches

5 swinging strikes, 78 pitches

2 swinging strikes, 99 pitches

8 swinging strikes, 101 pitches

5 swinging strikes, 101 pitches

Next progression is the four seamers, two seamers, and a few of the hard cutters grouped together by velocity. You might think that the dropoff in velocity the last game was the result of throwing more cutters, but I do not see a cutter in the data, and he had thrown some in the early games.

Velocity Trends

87.0 mph

87.2 mph

86.4 mph

87.0 mph

85.8 mph

Suppan might have attempted to scale back his velocity after the first two starts in order to establish some better command, but I have no idea of his resurgence of control in the past three starts has anything to do with that.

Strike: Ball Ratio Trends

38 strikes, 25 balls

38 strikes, 40 balls

60 strikes, 39 balls

60 strikes, 41 balls

66 strikes, 35 balls

More strikes, and less balls. That’s good! Last time I looked at Suppan, I said this:

Suppan needs to get his control under control, and if he does not, the Brewers need to seriously consider inserting DiFelice into the rotation while Suppan attempts to remember how to throw strikes.

Well, he has remembered, so the crisis has been averted for now. I do not think that Suppan’s stuff has gotten better, however. His repertoire has not changed, and it is still not good. If he can keep up the good command, he should settle back into his usual routine of slightly above replacement level pitching and the occasional hot stretch of effective pitching. If the command goes bad again, the stuff just is not there to even keep the team in games, as we saw in his first two starts of the season.

Working back to the pitch f/x data, I noticed something new while looking at the data tonight. Suppan throws a lot of change-ups, and the velocity gap between the change and the fastball is just not large enough to fool hitters. The fastball sits at about 86 these days and the change is around 81-82. The optimal difference is around 8-10 miles per hour. If Suppan is going to continue to throw 20-30 changeups per game, he needs to scale back the velocity to generate some swings and misses.

In the past three or four years, Suppan's fastball velocity has gone down steadily and the changeup velocity has gone up, at least 1.5 mph and maybe as much as 2. The 4 mph gap between fastball and changeup is not fooling anyone anymore. Right now the averages are at about 86.5 mph and 82.5 mph. Go back to 2002 with the Royals, and Suppan threw his fastball about 89 mph and his change about 80 mph. That is the difference between a swing and a miss when the batter is fooled or the batter being just a bit out in front of the pitch and connecting with an 82 mph pitch with little break. 

Suppan is close to his form of the middle of 2008, as long as his control stays as good as it has been in the last three starts, he should continue to limp along at a pace slightly above replacement level. But I do not think we should hold out any hope that he can be a league-average starter anymore. A pitcher with his fastball and change and the occasional curve and slider just does not have the stuff to be better than that without Mark DiFelice-like control.

Edit: Per a request in the comments, Suppan has induced only one swing and a miss on a fastball this year in five starts.

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With no stats to back me up

It seems his last few starts a lot of balls were hit well, but just to right to players, and perhaps it had to do more with luck than him being “on”.

His control certainly improved from the first few games, but if he is just putting the ball over the plate and not fooling hitters, it will turn into batting pratice out there soon enough. I think the streak may be broken tonight…

By the way, who has the last 17 game win streak over another team, I have seen plenty of numbers on the 16 game win streaks lately.

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on May 5, 2009 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I think

23 straight is next on the list…Baltimore over KC

Fuck tOSU

by ajs1122 on May 5, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looking his stats, it appears to be counter intuitive.

Looks like he’s had 5 games.. 2 were bad (Resulted in Losses), 3 were “good” with (1W 2ND). His BABIP was .296 in the Wins and .231 in his Loses. Now it doesn’t track “Clutchiness in BABIP”, but I assume that his BABIP was lower in his walks (But OBP was much higher) that the balls that did make it into play were “clutch” hits. So his walks and HBP were killing him.

by SgtClueLs on May 5, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Joe Morgan scoffs at your work

Clearly Suppan is just more confident. And he will be confident until he starts to suck, at which point he needs to find his confidence again to stop sucking.

by Getting Yosted on May 5, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

He simply needs to be more consistent.

If he’s consistently consistent, that consistency should translate into more consistence.

Also: slide piece.

by Rubie Q on May 5, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

And Kendall's game calling skills

Which makes me wonder if he just says ‘F$#k it, it doesn’t matter what you throw’ in 65% of Suppan’s starts.

by Getting Yosted on May 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Picture caption

I think the Diamondback bowing to Suppan is Felipe Lopez, not Josh Wilson. Can’t tell for sure, but it looks like Lopez to me.

by cmow on May 5, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Ha

That’s not my error, actually. They give you a caption and it said Arizona Diamondbacks’ Josh Wilson, left, tags out Jeff Suppan. I’ll change it.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 5, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sloppy captioning on AP photos has been pretty common this season.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on May 5, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't judge him by his first two starts

Cole Hamels technically is still worse than Suppan yet right?
I will just say Suppan on the mound makes me nervous, but his ERA is dropping off dramatically lately. I wonder how many bad starts he can have this month before he gets pulled…and if he is, how good is DiFelice as a starter?

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on May 5, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm no pitching expert, but

wouldn’t it take days or weeks to “stretch out” DiFelice’s arm to be a starter?

by lawlackey on May 5, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's been a multi-inning guy for most of the spring

So I’m guessing he could go 4 innings or so in his first start, and get to 6 or so after that.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on May 5, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

basically what McClung did

when he was transitioning from the pen last year.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 5, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

From the game preview

Suppan says the only things that have changed since his ugly outing against the Cubs on April 12 are the results.

Now that’s the kind of forward looking pitcher we need! Ignore the strike to ball ratio! Ignore the 3 BB RBIs! Nope, the only difference was the results.

If he has to tell himself that to get by, then fine, but everyone including his wife knows it’s completely BS.

by ecocd on May 5, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

I guess it depends on if he considered himself unlucky previously or considers himself lucky now

Either way, he’s pretty close to reality. As Jordan showed, his stuff certainly hasn’t improved.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

HA!

Somehow I don’t think he was implying his recent production was far above reasonable expectations…

by ecocd on May 5, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

really?

I thought he was seeing the glass half-empty there. Saying “damn…I got lucky these last few”.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 5, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jordan:

You had that crazy fastball stat last time (zero swings and misses at the heater). What’s the updated figure? It’s not still zero, I hope.

I pitch for the Hebrewers.

by MooseHaas on May 5, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll check it out

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 5, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

1

We should find some video of that. Lance Berkman in the fourth inning of his start against the Astros.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 5, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here you go

The 87 mph heater, in all its glory.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I cannot stop watching this

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 5, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who here actually held out 'hope that he could be a league-average starter'?

From Suppan, I’d be relatively pleased with slightly-below-average, not-complete-suckitude.

by Brew Angel on May 5, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions  

I fully support just-above-replacement-level Suppan

…as long as it features a concomitant lack of let’s-rearrange-the-rotation-so-Suppan-faces-the-Cubs from the braintrust.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

What I mean is, just treat the guy like the 5th starter he is

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's going to the vet to get tutored!

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Only three Brewers have hits tonight

Hart and Hardy have five of the six. The first five batters have made up for it by walking six times, though, at least once each.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions  

And of course, Suppan walked too

Second leadoff hitter!

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good night for hitting prospects

Salome added a double to complement his homer, Gamel doubled, Lucroy homered, and Lawrie is 3-3 with a homer. Not a good night for Jeffress (5 BB in 3 IP).

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay I think I'll tell you this isn't the gamethread now

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 5, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Wow

I need to stop using two computers at once.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

never heard of tabbed browsing or multiple windows?

why use two computers anyway?

Hell, I have 4 virtual desktops and a virtual machine window at work, for multiple task/OSey goodness. Having an additonal computer there would just slow me down.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just got a Mac

I was using an old PC to capture/edit the Suppan swinging strike video.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 6, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

very well

VMWare fusion kicks ass for the mac.

and hyperspaces is pretty good too.

if I’m going single-platform, I still prefer windows > linux > mac.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Running Windows on a Mac is quite painless, though I don't yet own Parallels

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 6, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

parallels didn't cut it for some for some of my apps

VMWare fusion MIGHT be too slow for gaming…but never tried that. Just actual productivity things.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 7, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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