Jeff Suppan is not fixed just yet
We last looked at Jeff Suppan after he experienced some control problems in his first two starts, which prompted me to ask if he was even capable of recovering. I concluded that his stuff has deteriorated to the point that he must rely on plus control to have any success, and he has found some of that control over the past three starts, stringing together three quality outings in a row. Is his stuff better, or is he just locating now and getting back to normal?
One of the best ways to measure how "nasty" a pitcher's stuff is working is by looking at their swinging strikes induced. He has gotten more, but it does not appear that something major changed after the second start.
Swinging Strike Trends
2 swinging strikes, 63 pitches
5 swinging strikes, 78 pitches
2 swinging strikes, 99 pitches
8 swinging strikes, 101 pitches
5 swinging strikes, 101 pitches
Next progression is the four seamers, two seamers, and a few of the hard cutters grouped together by velocity. You might think that the dropoff in velocity the last game was the result of throwing more cutters, but I do not see a cutter in the data, and he had thrown some in the early games.
Velocity Trends
87.0 mph
87.2 mph
86.4 mph
87.0 mph
85.8 mph
Suppan might have attempted to scale back his velocity after the first two starts in order to establish some better command, but I have no idea of his resurgence of control in the past three starts has anything to do with that.
Strike: Ball Ratio Trends
38 strikes, 25 balls
38 strikes, 40 balls
60 strikes, 39 balls
60 strikes, 41 balls
66 strikes, 35 balls
More strikes, and less balls. That’s good! Last time I looked at Suppan, I said this:
Suppan needs to get his control under control, and if he does not, the Brewers need to seriously consider inserting DiFelice into the rotation while Suppan attempts to remember how to throw strikes.
Well, he has remembered, so the crisis has been averted for now. I do not think that Suppan’s stuff has gotten better, however. His repertoire has not changed, and it is still not good. If he can keep up the good command, he should settle back into his usual routine of slightly above replacement level pitching and the occasional hot stretch of effective pitching. If the command goes bad again, the stuff just is not there to even keep the team in games, as we saw in his first two starts of the season.
Working back to the pitch f/x data, I noticed something new while looking at the data tonight. Suppan throws a lot of change-ups, and the velocity gap between the change and the fastball is just not large enough to fool hitters. The fastball sits at about 86 these days and the change is around 81-82. The optimal difference is around 8-10 miles per hour. If Suppan is going to continue to throw 20-30 changeups per game, he needs to scale back the velocity to generate some swings and misses.
In the past three or four years, Suppan's fastball velocity has gone down steadily and the changeup velocity has gone up, at least 1.5 mph and maybe as much as 2. The 4 mph gap between fastball and changeup is not fooling anyone anymore. Right now the averages are at about 86.5 mph and 82.5 mph. Go back to 2002 with the Royals, and Suppan threw his fastball about 89 mph and his change about 80 mph. That is the difference between a swing and a miss when the batter is fooled or the batter being just a bit out in front of the pitch and connecting with an 82 mph pitch with little break.
Suppan is close to his form of the middle of 2008, as long as his control stays as good as it has been in the last three starts, he should continue to limp along at a pace slightly above replacement level. But I do not think we should hold out any hope that he can be a league-average starter anymore. A pitcher with his fastball and change and the occasional curve and slider just does not have the stuff to be better than that without Mark DiFelice-like control.
Edit: Per a request in the comments, Suppan has induced only one swing and a miss on a fastball this year in five starts.
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With no stats to back me up
It seems his last few starts a lot of balls were hit well, but just to right to players, and perhaps it had to do more with luck than him being “on”.
His control certainly improved from the first few games, but if he is just putting the ball over the plate and not fooling hitters, it will turn into batting pratice out there soon enough. I think the streak may be broken tonight…
By the way, who has the last 17 game win streak over another team, I have seen plenty of numbers on the 16 game win streaks lately.
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Looking his stats, it appears to be counter intuitive.
Looks like he’s had 5 games.. 2 were bad (Resulted in Losses), 3 were “good” with (1W 2ND). His BABIP was .296 in the Wins and .231 in his Loses. Now it doesn’t track “Clutchiness in BABIP”, but I assume that his BABIP was lower in his walks (But OBP was much higher) that the balls that did make it into play were “clutch” hits. So his walks and HBP were killing him.
Joe Morgan scoffs at your work
Clearly Suppan is just more confident. And he will be confident until he starts to suck, at which point he needs to find his confidence again to stop sucking.
by Getting Yosted on May 5, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
He simply needs to be more consistent.
If he’s consistently consistent, that consistency should translate into more consistence.
Also: slide piece.
by Rubie Q on May 5, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Kendall's game calling skills
Which makes me wonder if he just says ‘F$#k it, it doesn’t matter what you throw’ in 65% of Suppan’s starts.
by Getting Yosted on May 5, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Picture caption
I think the Diamondback bowing to Suppan is Felipe Lopez, not Josh Wilson. Can’t tell for sure, but it looks like Lopez to me.
Ha
That’s not my error, actually. They give you a caption and it said Arizona Diamondbacks’ Josh Wilson, left, tags out Jeff Suppan. I’ll change it.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Sloppy captioning on AP photos has been pretty common this season.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
How did the second baseman end up in that spot anyway?
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
don't you know that the second baseman plays the field directly behind second base
so could be coming at it from either side?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't judge him by his first two starts
Cole Hamels technically is still worse than Suppan yet right?
I will just say Suppan on the mound makes me nervous, but his ERA is dropping off dramatically lately. I wonder how many bad starts he can have this month before he gets pulled…and if he is, how good is DiFelice as a starter?
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
I'm no pitching expert, but
wouldn’t it take days or weeks to “stretch out” DiFelice’s arm to be a starter?
He's been a multi-inning guy for most of the spring
So I’m guessing he could go 4 innings or so in his first start, and get to 6 or so after that.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
basically what McClung did
when he was transitioning from the pen last year.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 5, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
From the game preview
Suppan says the only things that have changed since his ugly outing against the Cubs on April 12 are the results.
Now that’s the kind of forward looking pitcher we need! Ignore the strike to ball ratio! Ignore the 3 BB RBIs! Nope, the only difference was the results.
If he has to tell himself that to get by, then fine, but everyone including his wife knows it’s completely BS.
I guess it depends on if he considered himself unlucky previously or considers himself lucky now
Either way, he’s pretty close to reality. As Jordan showed, his stuff certainly hasn’t improved.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Jordan:
You had that crazy fastball stat last time (zero swings and misses at the heater). What’s the updated figure? It’s not still zero, I hope.
I pitch for the Hebrewers.
I'll check it out
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
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We should find some video of that. Lance Berkman in the fourth inning of his start against the Astros.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Here you go
The 87 mph heater, in all its glory.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on May 5, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I cannot stop watching this
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Who here actually held out 'hope that he could be a league-average starter'?
From Suppan, I’d be relatively pleased with slightly-below-average, not-complete-suckitude.
I fully support just-above-replacement-level Suppan
…as long as it features a concomitant lack of let’s-rearrange-the-rotation-so-Suppan-faces-the-Cubs from the braintrust.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I get your point, but it's not just the Cubs I'd try to shield Suppan from.
It’s the Phillies, the Reds, the Cardinals, etc…
What I mean is, just treat the guy like the 5th starter he is
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I wonder -- if Macha could do it over again, would he still have Suppan open the season?
After the All-Star game, we open a four-game series in Great American Home Run Ballpark. I wonder if Suppan will conveniently be the 5th starter so he can miss that one.
or is asked to pitch in the Home Run Derby.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on May 5, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that is the kind of humor that I come to BCB for
by Saberilliterate on May 5, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't been pleased with Suppan's performance
But I certainly wouldn’t suggest that he be fixed.
by Marty McSuperFly on May 5, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions
He's going to the vet to get tutored!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Only three Brewers have hits tonight
Hart and Hardy have five of the six. The first five batters have made up for it by walking six times, though, at least once each.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
And of course, Suppan walked too
Second leadoff hitter!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Good night for hitting prospects
Salome added a double to complement his homer, Gamel doubled, Lucroy homered, and Lawrie is 3-3 with a homer. Not a good night for Jeffress (5 BB in 3 IP).
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Okay I think I'll tell you this isn't the gamethread now
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on May 5, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Wow
I need to stop using two computers at once.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
never heard of tabbed browsing or multiple windows?
why use two computers anyway?
Hell, I have 4 virtual desktops and a virtual machine window at work, for multiple task/OSey goodness. Having an additonal computer there would just slow me down.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 6, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I just got a Mac
I was using an old PC to capture/edit the Suppan swinging strike video.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
very well
VMWare fusion kicks ass for the mac.
and hyperspaces is pretty good too.
if I’m going single-platform, I still prefer windows > linux > mac.
Running Windows on a Mac is quite painless, though I don't yet own Parallels
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
parallels didn't cut it for some for some of my apps
VMWare fusion MIGHT be too slow for gaming…but never tried that. Just actual productivity things.

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