Game Thread #28b
by battlekow on May 6, 2009 9:01 PM CDT
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Does the DP herald the end of JJ’s hot streak?
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops
We briefly had two 28b’s.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
to quote Microsoft
It isn’t a bug, it is a Feature.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Duffy >>>> Grit
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 6, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions
That was a hell of a play from Duffy
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Why is Cameron out?
I’m hoping just to give Duffy some playing time.
basically
and to give Cam a rest
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on May 6, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Inane comment time
Anyone here remember the original Tecmo Bowl?
Every time I hear the name “Dickerson” I keep thinking “Dicker”
Classic game.
Still pro-Cameron
I downloaded it on the Virtual Console on the Wii.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I was/am a hardcore RBI guy
I’ve got the hacks, etc on how every player is set, etc. Had a 2005 roster ROM for PC and the USB Nintendo controllers.
If anyone wants more info, ping Uncle Lakey.
Good times.
Still pro-Cameron
Great
Now I’ve got the electronic music stuck in my head.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't it
Dickerso?
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 6, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Braun's granny
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"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Thank you!
Nice to see that – and the great resignation in the voices of the announcers.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
FRACK
Darn Penguins…
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Great game by Varly
the Caps D gave up too many quality chances…sigh.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
ya like
the caps first goal was worthy!! Pens deserved that win!
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
first goal
Ovie had to be thinking – look like I found…
I agree the Penguins played better, but Varly had some great saves. He just had to make too many.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok, Laynce Nix is in the game, pinch hitting for the pitcher.
He’s one step closer to getting to pitch.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Laynce Nix, that's just not funny
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I don’t mind Macha stretching him out
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 6, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I don't have much sympathy for him
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remarkedly enough
over half are strikes.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Kendall continues his march to .240
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Nelson's turn?
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
what's his options status again?
do we have to DFA him? would any team notice if we did? Does Jack Z like him?
The answers, in order:
Yes
Maybe
Probably.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
if you look up struggling in the dictionary
you see http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aMp0n0cmLgDa/340×.jpg
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Nelson
I believe it was Shakespeare who said, some achieve suck, others have it thrust upon them, and others…they just suck, that’s all.
Not sure which one Nelson is.
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Who is coming in from the pen?
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Someone could get a nine out save at this point.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
And Julio is in to attempt it.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
is he down in the schoolyard?
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
By the schoolyard.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
well
Me and Julio may be there – I was just checking to see if he was in the schoolyard waiting.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
couldn't control the rebound
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Jorge Julio
I can see the headlines tomorrow morning.
“Brewers win a 11-10 thriller!!”
f’n julio
"si si Peeedro"
ok
this sig fits better
Damn, Julio sucks
by molitorfan on May 6, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
this year's Gagne award goes to....................(drumroll)
Julio Julio Juli__ooooooooooooooooo!!!!
"si si Peeedro"
1 run/ 2outs will still win the game
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes – but he got 2 outs before giving up the tater.
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm..
I think Cincy is a bit too confident in their hitters to bring their closer out.
Hopefully the Brewers light him up,
I don’t think we’ve rallied against him in the several opportunities we’ve had. Although I’ll take a blowout win over needing to beat a closer any day.
so far so good
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
even with 2 hits earlier
he was 1 of two brewers (kendall) with a negative leverage in the WPA graphs earlier this game.
replying to self
does fangraphs blame counsell for week’s baserunning error?
or what gives?
he didn’t GIDP ( like hardy, nelson)
Everything after the 2nd has been pointless for WPA
When you’re up 10, a double doesn’t really help you win anymore.
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yes
but he had a single in his first two at-bats.
wouldn’t that argue for a greater WPA? His next AB was a K in the 3rd, when it was no longer relevant.
I guess he does get blamed for Weeks' out advancing
According to the play log.
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What happened on that play?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Sharply hit single to Bruce
Weeks was waved around third and out by a mile.
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quick: draft a letter to the fangraphs folks
baserunning errors should be blamed on the baserunner, not the batter.
doubleplays and forceouts, yes. Non-forceouts, blame on the runner.
The problem with that
is it ruins the symmetry of the thing…pitchers are credited with the opposite of whatever the hitters get. There’s no real obvious way to break the percentages up but still keep them equal to what the pitchers’ are assigned. You could come up with a complicated way to do that, but the big appeal of WPA is the relative simplicity of the whole thing.
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well...
the pitcher should still get credit for the baserunning error, but rather than assign it to the batter, assign it to the runner. if the runner was inherited from a previous pitcher, it doesn’t matter – it’s the current pitcher that matters.
Yeah, but
how much gets assigned to the baserunner, and how much gets assigned to the hitter? Like I said, you could come up with schemes for how to solve that, but it ruins the simplicity of the whole thing.
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No, it's subtracted from one team and added to the other team
It doesn’t have to be added to the pitcher. Add it to Bruce’s total if you want.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
true dat
errors count against fielders too?
a defensive WPA and an offensive one? Standard flyouts/groundouts though, only pitchers get cred for
But it is added to the pitcher
If a pitcher comes on when the opposing team has a 60% chance to win, or something, and he retires the side and the team’s chance of winning goes back down to 50%, for example, he’s credited with +.100 WPA. At least that’s how I understand it.
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Yes, but teams win and lose ballgames, not players
The WPA is just assigned to the agent effecting the change in win probability. In this case, it was Bruce with his throw, not anything the pitcher did. The pitcher gets WPA subtracted for giving up a hit that resulted in first and third, no outs, and Bruce gets credit for bringing the situation to first base, one out.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Ohhh, okay
Hmph. WPA is slightly more complicated than I thought.
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No, that's not the way it works
That’s way it should work. As TheJay and Pags pointed out, it’s scored a bit less subtly.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
(sorry for the confusion)
It does sound like I was explaining the way it works, rather than how I think it should work.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Okay
That’s what I thought. And I guess it probably could be improved some like that, but I do think the simplicity is a virtue, and I’d be wary of overcomplicating it.
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When he was with the Brewers
he always seemed to have trouble with lefties
That's two invocations of the infield fly rule
in the same game. I wonder how often that happens.
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deflections
according the MLB.com gameday, both CC and Braun’s hits were off of deflections as well
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by nuclearbrewer on May 6, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Cordero had to go and ruin Duffy's self esteem
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Guys!
I found the ticket! I can’t watch games on TV, otherwise they lose.
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You've missed watching 16 games already?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I work at lot
If I’m there in person, everything seems to go fine though. I think I just can’t watch the beginning of the games.
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A webcam, eh?
Hmmm…
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Corporan in to catch
Major league debut.
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Tell me he wasn't hoping for a mini-rally there
Or at least a few Juliesque pitch counts
Still pro-Cameron
Holy fuck, what are we gonna do if Corporan gets injured?!?!
Kendall is so pissed right now.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Put Hall in to catch
He’s an athlete.
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Who's backup
In case Corporan gets knocked out of the game.
McGehee
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Kid didn't call any walks from Hoolio
A+ in my book. He did forget to tell him how many outs there were, though
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Julio with a funny
Makes me smile
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 6, 2009 9:42 PM CDT reply actions
Haha
Paul Janisch is your new pitcher.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Paul Janish pitching
He’s what, the fifth position player to pitch this year?
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Corporan gets to face a position player after all
Just not the one I thought.
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I'm going back and rec'ing that comment for outstanding foresight.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
My dad's the one who suggested Corporan would play
So half a rec maybe.
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Overall
Fourth, I guess, after Swisher, Van Every, and Cody Ross.
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Figures the Corporan would get his first PA against a shortstop
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Corporan!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Way to go kid
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Look at him stare at that ball with jealousy in those beady eyes
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It's always time
The battle would go somewhat like this (NSFW BTW)
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What are the odd Corporan and Casey F. McGehee get consecutive hits?
Yeah, Nelson is sulking fattily somewhere.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
So
Who hasn’t played? Is Nelson the only one without a hit seeing as Corporan and McGehee have hits?
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It should count double
since that means their bullpen got so rundown from the earlier parts of the game
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Janish
Whatever happens here, it can’t be much worse than John Mabry’s attempts at pitching.
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My favorite is Mark Grace's, when he imitated Fetters' head-snap
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
for some reason
whenever I read Mabry’s name in my head I hear Harry Kallas pronouncing it.
Damn, Julio sucks
Corporan gets another first
Four hits for Craig.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
heh
i wonder if this will go in the record books for worst ratio of performance by batting average to WPA for a whole game played
Is it just me
or is Counsell playing better lately?
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Pro-immigration?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Damn
You got your webcam hooked up? =P
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Weird note
One of the few times you’ll see a pitcher with a single digit uniform number.
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6 RBIs for Braun
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Fielder!
Haha!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Damn Prince
Can we play like this all the time?
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Anyone with Gameday Premium
What’s Janish’s out pitch?
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Least dramatic two-out 9th-inning home run ever
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
but he needs a hit
To make Nelson feel even worse.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
im glad
rock is informing us these runs counts as well as outs. I thought after 10 runs they stopped counting
Pays big 21 promotion
Is that still around?
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Two strikeouts
What stuff!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Hah, 2 strikeouts for the shortstop
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20 hits
It’s like we faced Lindsay Gulin.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Think they can come back? =P
Time to bring in Hoffman to make this even better.
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Oh hell no
Although, it’s just crazy enough…
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Prince dinger is teh ahhsome
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 6, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions
That home run really shouldn't count in Prince's season totals.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
If the Lew Ford- and Alex Rios-aided HR count, that one counts
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
He still had to hit the ball
Two Brewers couldn’t.
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FACT
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 6, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm posting from the future.
Reds win 18-16 in 16 Innings.
Janish
He just threw too many strikes. 24 of 35 = 69%
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Dave Bush is his mentor
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Coffey's in?
Why not leave McGehee in to pitch and make it notable.
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I couldn't find another game with position players pitching for both teams
Is what I mean.
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Because this is far funner
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really?
I thought he was a little taller than that
by molitorfan on May 6, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
"We represent the lollipop guild!"
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"
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Stop watching the games altogether
and blame the win on me dying to watch the end
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Blame Brad Fischer for screwing up in the first inning
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...die of alcohol poisoning
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
KL, you have the recap?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Parra
Anyone else think it’s really funny that Parra gets like 10 runs of support across 5 games and loses all of them despite pitching halfway decently in a few of them, yet pitches kind of crappily tonight and gets a million runs behind him
¡BEISBOL!
It's the Claudio Vargas path to success
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Whew.
Close one.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Like OMG OMG
I can’t believe we won!
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