Manny Ramirez suspended 50 games
by BenSheets15 on May 7, 2009 10:58 AM CDT
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Major League Baseball is expected to announce Thursday that Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended for 50 games, The Los Angeles Times is reporting.
Ramirez's suspension is expected to be announced Thursday, The Times said.
Triple-A outfielder Xavier Paul has been told by the Dodgers that he will be promoted later today, according to The Times.
Im a little surpirsed but then again, im not
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Just heard about this
Wow…first A-rod and now this…not really surprised, but I used to really like Manny because he was an amazing hitter that didn’t use steroids! Whoops!
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on May 7, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you edit the title to be way more descriptive?
by SgtClueLs on May 7, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
According to the talking heads on Eastcoast Sports Programing Nutjobs
The word going around is that he got a subscription drug from a doctor in Miami for some personal medical condition, not a steroid according to Boras.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well that's good
Just read the article, of course Manny denies knowing anything about it, but it sounds like he wasn’t just willingly juicing, so I guess it’s not really that disappointing…
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on May 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
and we should always believe athletes that say they had no knowledge that the pill/shot they were taking might be illegal
(rolls eyes)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t believe a word Boras says, it’s his job to protect his client.
by SgtClueLs on May 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Lawyers, agents, and publicists are just a handful of professions that constantly lie about what their client is/n’t doing.
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"
RIP Nick Adenhart: Stop Drunk Driving
by kirbir on May 7, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is it okay to boo them?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on May 7, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
It is okay to take what they say with a grain of salt.
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"
RIP Nick Adenhart: Stop Drunk Driving
by kirbir on May 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boooo ;)
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
by WSB Chris on May 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey!
I’m a person! I have feelings and a family and a boyfriend and school and work and a life just like everyone else! If that doesn’t make you feel for me and regret booing me, then I’ll get Chris Crocker to make another video. =P
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"
RIP Nick Adenhart: Stop Drunk Driving
by kirbir on May 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most of them don't really know the answer
manny isn’t going to tell boras that he was juicing. And in most cases, the lawyer doesn’t want to know. It’s their job to defend somebody, but if somebody tells them they commited a crime, they actually have to report it. OJ couldn’t come out and tell Cochran, “I killed her, how can you get me out of this mess?” I’m srue the lawyers had their doubt, but they arent’ going to defend somebody if they know for a fact that they committed a crime.
by tcyoung on May 7, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only in Wisconsin do people say things so quaint. :)
by Braunstalker on May 7, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll stand by it
Even if a lawyer is willing to defend somebody who has confessed… a client will not usually offer up that confession
by tcyoung on May 7, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bullroar
lawyers WANT to know if their client committed a crime so they can defend them the best they can. They want to know what sorts of evidence might be presented, what they can do to deflect that evidence, and if anything can be done to reflect the state of mind (temporary insanity, etc) of their client, and whether they should attempt to get a plea bargain for a lesser crime.
I would guess that very few lawyers want to live in complete blissful ignorance.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
“And in most cases, the lawyer doesn’t want to know. It’s their job to defend somebody, but if somebody tells them they commited a crime, they actually have to report it.”
no…that’s not true. They only have an obligation to report a crime that they know will occur in the future (same with doctors and shrinks). They have no obligation to report a past crime (nor are doctors or shrinks). In fact, they are specifically disallowed from (in court) disclosing of crimes they are aware that their clients committed (again, same for docs and shrinks). It’s called lawyer-client confidentiality.
The only exception is when a laywer is a fellow coconspirator in the crime – in other words when Boras finds the doctor/trainer/etc to shoot him up. Then he’s culpable the same as his client and either needs to help the cops or face legal repurcussions. Of course, in this case, if it’s a legal drug for the populace at large, and only disallowed for MLB, he’d be doing nothing illegal by finding a shooting-up trainer (other than perhaps civil fraud), so won’t face any consequences for saying whatever the f*ck he wants. Also, I don’t know if Boras is a laywer or if he’s protected by some sort of agent/client confidentiality.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In most cases
I should have said in most cases where somebody is pleading innocent.
Do you really think OJ came running to Johnny Cochran saying, “Jonny, I just killed my wife, you gotta get me acquitted.” No, he said, “Johnny, I’m being accused of murder, I need your help.”
You’re right in that if somebody confesses a crime to their lawyer, the lawyer will work out a plea bargain or plead insanity.. but I’m arguing that most clients won’t confess to their lawyer.
by tcyoung on May 7, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even so...
Baseball does have that theraputic use exemption, doesn’t it? Player goes to doc, doc gives out drug, and if player has any sense they submit the info for whatever drugs they’re taking so they can get an exemption just in case it triggers some sort of positive test.
by morineko on May 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Required post
Turns Out Craig Counsell Was Actually Best Baseball Player Of Steroid Era
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on May 7, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
was
and still is apparently.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reply FAIL
C.C. was and apparently still is the BBPSE.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Counsell is the best player ever*
*if you’re really into utility infielders of the early 21st century, that is
…and also, if you were a teenage girl in Arizona in 2001.
by morineko on May 7, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or a twenty something girl in Wisconsin in 2009 ;)
I'm Jim Sensenbrenner, damnit!
by Princess Grumbles on May 7, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counsell fangirls still exist?
I’ve never actually met one, just had to deal with the online squeeeeeeeee in 2001.
Admittedly, despite not being a teenager or from AZ, I contributed to a bit of it.
by morineko on May 7, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider me a fangirl.
I'm Jim Sensenbrenner, damnit!
by Princess Grumbles on May 7, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it, I can't even put him on my fantasy DL spot...
=/
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on May 7, 2009 12:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
That Craig Counsell story always cracks me up
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on May 7, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
XM Radio Inside pitch
The guys that wrote Game of Shadows are saying its HCG, a woman’s fertility drug that reaises testosterone after a steroid cycle.
by grant76 on May 7, 2009 1:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Will Carroll with the nod to TJ Quinn
by grant76 on May 7, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh at the wikipedia entry
Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is a glycoprotein hormone produced in pregnancy that is made by the developing embryo soon after conception and later by the syncytiotrophoblast (part of the placenta). It is the substance Manny Ramirez got suspended for 50 games for using. Its role is to prevent the disintegration of the corpus luteum of the ovary and thereby maintain progesterone production that is critical for a pregnancy in humans. hCG may have additional functions; for instance, it is thought that hCG affects the immune tolerance of the pregnancy. Early pregnancy testing, in general, is based on the detection or measurement of hCG. Because hCG is produced also by some kinds of tumor, hCG is an important tumor marker, but it is not known whether this production is a contributing cause or an effect of tumorigenesis.
I’m sorry…does the manny ramierez situation have to be in the first paragraph, which is talking about the actual biological implications of this hormone? c’mon. Put it in the “Use with anabolic steroids” and maybe make a small one-sentence paragraph in the intro section about its use in professional athletics and mention the suspension there.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 7, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could go and fix it. That’s kind of the point behind Wikipedia.
by Trent Durrington on May 7, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I checked about 3 minutes after the post and it had already been changed
A blurb was added to the steroid section at the bottom of the page.
by grant76 on May 7, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will get changed back I assume
Some fool must have just put it in, because when I looked a couple hours ago that sentence wasn’t there
by DoubleJ235 on May 7, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, completely relevant for manny to have
he wants to be the first ACTUAL man to get pregnant afterall.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 7, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just Manny being Maria
I can’t take credit for that, my friend came up with that.
One thing if you think perhaps it was an honest mistake is why did he have to go to some shrink in Florida to get a prescription? Baseball teams tend to have some of the best doctors in the world.
by Awesomo on May 7, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From what I heard, it was leaked that Manny took it as a PED – but for performance between the sheets – not the bases.
They actually said that it was for erectile dysfunction.
How sad is it that juicers would rather admit that they can’t get it up just so they can juice.
by Saberilliterate on May 7, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one who feels sympathy for Manny
It seems to me like he had Erectile Dysfunction, hence why he keeps saying he took the pills for personal health reasons, his doctor gave it to him, with no knowledge it would test him positive…
Sounds like Mike Cameron’s situation, I understand the rule, and Mike graciously accepted the penatly last year, which he was using to help recover from post concussion syndrome or whatever his head injury was…
Manny is a professional athlete, and he can probably attract any female he want, with the exception of kirbir who has Braunny taken… but if he is unable to perform, he must be feeling like he is sitting on a winning lottery ticket and unable to cash it in… so he takes this pill, not thinking it would make him test positive, per the recommendation of his doctor…
Isn’t this plausible… not saying he shouldn’t be suspended, the rule is the rule, but maybe he isn’t truly “guilty” in the normal sense of the word.
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on May 7, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he was having erectile disfunction
then he would have had previous scrips for viagra, cialis and a littany of others before turning to something “experimental” AND banned by baseball.
Until he comes forward with records showing he tried everything else or a doctor convincingly argues that something else about those other drugs wouldn’t have worked for him, I don’t believe a word of it.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 8, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
err...dysfunction
sighage
also, unless they’ve now implicated a different drug, that wiki entry doesn’t reference use in erectile dysfunction treatment at all, which would indicate it’s not FDA approved for that purpose. Which CAN carry legal (real world) penalties.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 8, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
this drug is used to mask steroids. If he needed boner pills he could have asked MLB for a waiver. This is the same stuff that Bonds and Giambi used to mask the goodies that BALCO gave them. If you want to feel sympathy for someone there are plenty of better candidates than a guy making $25 million a year and living in Los Angeles.
by molitorfan on May 8, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really half joking for the viagra part
He is responsible for what he takes, and that is the end of the story
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on May 8, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, Witrado is all emo about this
Turns out he’s a bit of a Dodgers fan. That’ll help win people over.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on May 8, 2009 12:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
equal treatment
it’ll be interesting to see how dodgers fans react when manny returns in july. will they vilify him to the extent they did arch-rival barry bonds, or lovingly welcome him back like hypocrites who think honor, integrity, and standing up against cheating are only things worth defending when the guy doesn’t play for your team?
by lennsakata on May 10, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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