Rumorville: ??? (with poll)
by roguejim on Jun 12, 2009 9:06 AM CDT
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It's on Al's Ramblings. It's on Brewerfan.net. It's on Bernie's Crew. We haven't seen a rumor like this since the Alex Ochoa/Greg Maddux debacle of Aught-two.
They're all reporting the same thing: someone on the Brewers is being traded for someone else. Maybe.
Now I know some Rumorville readers like to delve deep and wallow in the details of a trade like this. How will we compensate for the departure of, umm, someone? How will, err, that new guy fit in with the rest of the team?
As for the names being bandied about...
- Al astutely noted that Mike Rivera was used as a pinch-hitter yesterday instead of JJ Hardy. Both Seattle and San Diego could use a shortstop. In return, the rumor is we'd be getting a starting pitcher, maybe the likes of Erik Bedard or Cliffly.
- Brewerfan.net is dreaming of Jake Peavy and Roy Halladay
- Bernie's Crew dismisses Jake Peavy, but thinks Cliffly might be a possibility, with Manny Parra perhaps on the way out.
None of the more official sources (Tom Haudricourt, Adam McCalvey) has anything, nor does MLB Trade Rumors.
It's tough to evaluate the validity of such a rumor, with Macha benching many of the starters in yesterday's game. One interesting angle to explore is that this trade is going down so soon after the draft. That could be just a coincidence, but...
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the last link is broken
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 12, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's Garak from DS9
“I believe in coincidences. Coincidences happen every day. But - I don’t trust coincidences.”
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 12, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The awesomeness of this quotation is....
…. otherworldly.
i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 12, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a fan of the JJ for Bedard rumor
Because is just a half year guy, though he is very good. A package for Halladay or Lee though would be very nice.
by grant76 on Jun 12, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Halladay
Roy Halladay is easily a top 5 pitcher in the major leagues, that would be a steal. I don’t see the Jays selling when they’re only 3 back in the East though.
by kingcharlesxii on Jun 12, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
The Jays would need to fall about 10 back by the trading deadline. Even then, they could see how things go next year before trading him. Like the Giants with Matt Cain, and the Indians with Cliff Lee, they are definitely in a position of strength.
by grant76 on Jun 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But JJ is only a year and a half player…He is a free agent after 2010 and you are kidding yourself if you think that we will be able to compete for his services.
by Saberilliterate on Jun 12, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say
Bedard is my first choice. He is my favorite non Brewer pitcher. Though, I’m not a huge fan of a Peavy deal…
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 12, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Escobar appears ready
But as the Brew states, the pitching has held up pretty nicely. I agree that the team does need a solid #2 starter, as they did coming into the season.
Hardy for Cain, Lee, or Bedard probably all benefit the team in the long run. Each trade probably also includes a prospect going over as well.
Even if Escobar were to only hit about .250 at the bottom of the lineup, his D improves the team.
Pull the trigger!
by backtocali on Jun 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I also think this team desperately needs some speed at the leadoff spot,
and Escobar could possibly provide that.
by oconnobe on Jun 12, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy's D isn't too shabby either, though
He’s scuffling right now at the plate, but think I’d still rather have Hardy vs. Escobar long term…
by warwick5s on Jun 12, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
certainly would prefer Hardy the next 1.5 years
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Jun 12, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
But what if the question is would you rather have Hardy or Escobar and (insert name of preferred pitcher here)? You could move Escobar instead of Hardy, but given the years of control over Escobar that doesn’t make much sense to me…
i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 12, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We already have a starting SS in the wings
Think about it – Hardy for Bedard or Lee.
We add an awesome SP, which we need, and we promote Escobar, a SS we already have. I’m sure Escobar could muster up the .220 average that Hardy is posting.
by sdsowlsa on Jun 12, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not gonna say we won't lose anything by replacing Hardy
But we certainly have a viable replacement.
Also, If Escobar is the one to go, does that mean Hardy gets a long term deal?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 12, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Adam Heether heeths better than anyone thought
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 12, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Escobar
kind of flies in the face of our small-market philosophy.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 12, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's very true (and unfortunate)
it makes much more financial sense to flip Hardy considering the quality of his replacement vs. cost
by warwick5s on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this more Boston Globe tom-foolery?
Seriously, we may be trading someone… somewhere… we don’t know who, or for what, or even if it’s going to happen, but hey, LETS THEORIZE ABOUT IT!!! C’mon guys…
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 12, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Jim
I love the dripping sarcasm here. Thanks for giving me a smile
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 12, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it IS fun to theorize,
and it takes one’s mind off of the Rockies sweep.
by oconnobe on Jun 12, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweep? What sweep?
i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 12, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another step back from the ledge (via Adam McC)
by Zeyes on Jun 12, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
whew
So yesterday was just an Extreme Sunday Lineup™
by morineko on Jun 12, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer to call it the....
…. Well, WTF Lineup.
i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 12, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wednesday-Thursday-Friday Lineup?
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by TheJay on Jun 12, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either that's brilliantly original...
… or I don’t get around much. Either way, I’ve just been gifted with a workplace safe curse substitute.
i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 12, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call it
the Remington, Indiana Lineup.
According to Google Maps that is the halfway point between Milwaukee and Nashville.
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 12, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Cliffly
Did you know he is leading the AL in hits allowed with a BABIP even higher than that of Manny Parra? Yet he manages to get through nearly seven innings per start. Weird.
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by TheJay on Jun 12, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Walking less than two per nine innings helps
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 12, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As does Cleveland's defense turning the most DPs in the majors this year
by Zeyes on Jun 12, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a high GB rate, right?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moreso the last two years than before, but not really
Still, the change is pretty dramatic:
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 12, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's a no
Moustache shoots down the trade rumors, and is getting pretty crotchety about it too.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 12, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hardy to Padres?
Won’t happen. The pAAAdres have two (cheap) SS coming off the DL this week which they are happy with. They could still move Peavy (after he gets back from the DL) but they wont acquire a SS
by Zak S on Jun 12, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If The Brewers are going to trade for SP then it needs to be more than a half year rental I just don’t see the point in getting another rental that isn’t going to be better than CC was.
Cliff Lee or Matt Cain seem the most suited…but they will cost.
Parra & Gamel for Lee?
Matt Cain will (Rightly so) cost a lot youre talking Fielder or Hardy & Hart.
by Ohpityme on Jun 13, 2009 7:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tom H
@Haudricourt: Brewers GM Doug Melvin: “As of today, there is not one starting pitcher that is available.” Is that clear enough for the rumor mongers?
I bet the Rockies would give up Adam Eaton in the right deal. :)
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by TheJay on Jun 13, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
like
a snow shovel and a humidor?
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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