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Manny Parra to AAA

I've been defending Manny for several weeks now, but this move needed to happen-- especially considering that the fifth starter can be skipped for a few turns, giving Manny a little time to stay on schedule and work on his stuff.

Parra only threw 55 pitches yesterday, so there's not much there to see if he tried changing anything with his pitch selection. He threw 7 curves-- a pitch I think he should throw more often, as that's his usual rate of throwing that pitch. It does look like he tried to throw more sliders.

Yesterday, Manny's velocity was up compared to his season average, but overall he's been down a bit this year. That's not a good sign, of course. His fastball has been about as effective as in the past, so I wouldn't conclude that the slight decline in velocity is related to his struggles very much.

I'm not really sure what exactly is wrong with Parra at this point. Hopefully he'll find something in his mechanics at AAA that will allow him to regain command and become more efficient with better control.

But before I let this go, I will emphasize the two things that are not wrong with Manny Parra: his stuff is just as nasty as always, and he's not ridiculously more hittable. His swinging strike rate is right at 9%, right where it was last year, and his K rate is about the same. And yes, he has gotten terribly unlucky. I think most of us realize that Manny does not "deserve" a 7.52 ERA right now. He deserves something closer to his 5.11 FIP or his 4.4 tERA. The last two years Manny stranded 70% of runners on base, around the league average, and this year it's suddenly 60%. The other factor is that pitchers don't have much control over BABIP (as we already know, though hitters do to some extent), and Parra's is .368-- way above anything that can be attributed to skill and into the range of bad luck.

Parra hasn't been performing to anyone's expectations and his control has been very bad. But we shouldn't evaluate him as a 7.50 ERA pitcher-- let's look at him as a 5.00 or so ERA guy so far, to keep it in perspective. I fully expect him to be back in the bigs soon, and even if he changes absolutely nothing, he should be far more effective. If he does find his control again, we'll have our good old 4.20 ERA Manny back again.

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This is how Rambling Al made the same point:
Having Parra follow-up Suppan is like watching a 6 year-old misspell “cat” on multiple occasions after viewing one of those child geniuses play the sonata he wrote while waiting in the dental waiting room the day before.

Not exactly how I put it.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 14, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove

by GoGregGo on Jun 14, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the difference between fangraphs BABIP and BBref BABIP?

I didn’t think the calculation was complicated enough for two sites to differ. Does Fangraphs add something to the calculation?

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by TheJay on Jun 14, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Might be RBOE?

I’ll check it out

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 14, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I have no idea

That is strange.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 14, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe SH or SF

I usually use the simple version:

(H – HR) / (AB – HR – K)

but SF and SH are not counted in AB, and they are batted balls that aren’t hits. I don’t think people generally add SH to the denominator, but I’m pretty sure many people add SF to the denominator.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 14, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

BBref adds SF

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by TheJay on Jun 14, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

right.

that’s what THT has as the definition as well.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 14, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

The only thing I could think of was stuff involving foul balls

Since they’re not in play if they drop. Maybe sacrifice hits, too.

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by TheJay on Jun 14, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

My thought on Parra is that at least he has had success in the past. I think this will just be a detour to get straightened out. He’s been unlucky and his K numbers are fine, but he still walks too many guys, and right now he could probably use some confidence. I think he’ll be back up by the all star break.

by grant76 on Jun 14, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Good simple analysis Jordan

I have heard all kinds of theories ,but usually, it is a matter of something very simple. Sometimes it is an injury. In this case, a loss of some control with a lot of terrible luck, and voila…fireworks.

These are the kinds of cases that really separate good organizations from bad. Either you can be calm about it, not overreact, and let Manny fine tune his control and get the old Parra back, or you can overreact, get in his head, start making him make drastic changes in his delivery, send him to a shrink, or whatever, lose him, have to release him or let him walk, only to see him turn into a 15 game winner in a few years under Dave Duncan.

by badgermaniac on Jun 14, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Manny Parra will come around

I’m one of those fans that will back Parra. He’s only 25 years old and has excellent stuff. His problem is he lacks command and most importantly…confidence! AAA will do him well and will help Parra re-boost his confidence. I have faith in Parra and see a lot of upside in him, he’s just going through “growing pains.”

by Jabooty on Jun 15, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

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