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OK, OK, so we need a starting pitcher.  Our underrated pitching staff is showing some cracks and --- in typical Brewer fashion --- all at the same time.  Moustache has suggested that it's hard to work a trade for a pitcher now, because so many teams are still in it.  We'll just see about that!

I am going to argue that any team that is 8 games or greater under .500 is not going to make the playoffs.  (Could they make the playoffs?  Of course --- it's the middle of June, for the love of Sixto.  But will they?  No.)  That gives us 6 teams we could be talking to already.

  1. Washington Nationals (16-45).  Amazingly, this team is 20 games out of first, and it's only the middle of June. They have exactly one (1) starting pitcher with an ERA under 5.  His name is John Lannan, and he has pretty good numbers (3.51, 1.42, .267), especially given his age (24).  His WHIP is a little high, thanks to a touch of walk-itis, but he has career and 2009 ERAs under 4.  If you check out his Yahoo! team photo as well, you'll see he has the look you'd expect of someone playing for the Nationals: a little sad, a little resigned. He only has a little more than one year of ML service, so he doesn't have any outrageous salary demands or anything, though he's far younger than your typical DM acquisition.
  2. Arizona Diamondbacks (27-37).  Boy, do the D-Backs have pitching: Arizona has three starters with ERAs under 4, and none of them are named Brandon Webb.  Dan Haren is putting up Sabathia Eckersley numbers this season (WHIP of 0.81, BAA .188, ERA 2.20, almost a K/IP), and Max Scherzer is doing amazingly well for someone drafted only three years ago.  Still, it's pitcher #3 that I'm sure Doug Melvin is already salivating over: our good buddy, double-D, Doug Davis.  Not only is he a former Brewer (twice!), but he's pitching for his next contract, with a 3.65 ERA and 1.33 WHIP, far and away better than anything he's done since 2005.  It would be a true Sabathia replacement, as he is a free agent at the end of the season.  (And just think how excited sportswriters will be to say we're replacing CC with DD!)  Frankly, I'd be disappointed if we didn't bring in a true stud like Haren, but bringing in DD (once again) is a move that Melvin would make subconsciously, kind of like breathing or blinking.  DD is making $8.75 million this season, so salary would be a concern.
  3. Baltimore Orioles (27-36).  Baltimore has had some trouble with pitching this season: already they have had to use 9 starters, and 40 of the 63 games were started by pitchers with an ERA currently over 5.5. (This is where Rambling Al would remind us of the value of Jeff Suppan, which I'd grudgingly concede.) They have two starters who would be useful, Koji Uehara and Brad Bergesen, but both are pitching their first ML seasons in 2009, and I can't imagine Moustache would make a trade for a rookie.
  4. Oakland Athletics (27-35).  Oakland is the current home of ol' BCB fan favorite, Dana Eveland, so maybe they would like to do us a solid and lend us a starting pitcher.  They have two of interest. Dallas Braden is a lefty drafted in 2004 who (unlike Eveland) seems to have figured out how to pitch, having lowered his ERA and WHIP in each of the past two years.  So far this year, he has a 3.33 ERA and 1.33 WHIP.  The impeccably named Josh Outman isn't quite there in ERA (3.43), but his 1.14 WHIP and .209 BAA are outstanding.  Trading for either would cost us a mint, though, plus Oakland probably doesn't realize yet that they won't make the playoffs (which they won't).
  5. Cleveland Indians (29-37). The team we're up against tonight also finds itself 8 games under .500, having lost to us last night in bullpen-exhausting, gut-wrenching, extra-inning fashion.  (Hey, we've all been there.) Since we're already in the same ballpark, Doug can stroll on over and ask about AL Cy Young winner Cliff Lee (aka Cliffly).  After scuffling in 2006 and 2007, Cliff figured something out in 2008, having posted a 2.54 ERA and 1.11 WHIP last season.  The numbers aren't far off this year either, 2.88 and 1.33, respectively. The Indians would be in a perfect position to trade him, too, as Lee is under team control (thanks to an $8 million option) through 2010.  He would be pricey, and the Indians' asking price would only begin with Escobar or Gamel.  Excuse me as I put on my tinfoil hat: if you hear any whispers of DM offering JJ a long-term deal now, even (especially?) when Hardy's numbers aren't so hot, it could be just laying the groundwork for trading Escobar for a player like Cliffly. 
  6. Kansas City Royals (28-34).  Technically, the Royals are only 6 games under .500, but still.  It's the Royals.  Besides, they have perhaps BCB's favorite player never to wear a Brewer uniform, Zach Grienke. Grienke only has a 1.72 ERA and 0.99 WHIP; his ERA for this season is more than 2 runs below his career average.  Although any of the pitchers discussed here would be helpful, only Grienke and Cliffly would be a Sabathia-level replacement in terms of quality.  A Grienke deal might be tough to pull off, though: not only would he cost the Brewers a boatload (both in prospects and money, as he just signed a $38 million, 4-year extension through 2012), but Grienke also has limited no-trade protection until 2011.  It's funny to consider a no-trade clause when you're already on the Royals.

I'm still betting on Doug Davis, though as more teams fall out of the race (yes I'm talking about you, Houston, Pittsburgh, and San Diego), some more options will open up.  With Peavy out of the picture (possible season-ending ankle surgery), there isn't much high-priced talent out there; moreover, the would-be sellers will get a lot more for Cliffly and Grienke at the trading deadline than the middle of June.

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I'm still thinking Jack Z will want some of the farm talent he had last year

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 16, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And yes – this is the perfect time to offer JJ a 3-5 year deal

by Saberilliterate on Jun 16, 2009 3:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this a serious post?

I see maybe two true trade candidates in this whole thing. Nobody trades young pitchers under team control. The mentions of Lannan, Scherzer and Braden are ridiculous.

I <3 Mike Cameron

by MillerParkDrunk on Jun 16, 2009 3:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Easy there, chief

I just wanted to look at teams that (IMHO) weren’t likely to make the playoffs, and who they had pitching for them. Although I don’t think anyone is untouchable, I can’t really see any reason for a struggling team to trade young pitching talent either.

It’s interesting (though not surprising) to note how few realistic trade targets there are on these teams, as far as pitching goes. Other than DD, I think only Haren and Cliffly are reasonable targets, and each would be quite the longshot.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

29 games under already

Damn – I haven’t been watching the broad standings well enough to realize that they are almost 30 games under 500 in the middle of June – that puts them on a pace to win 42.5 games this season. Further proof that building a new stadium doesn’t make you a playoff contender…

by Saberilliterate on Jun 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they = Washington Nats

by Saberilliterate on Jun 16, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan Patrick asked John Smoltz if a win against the Nationals counts towards his career record

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 16, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

meanwhile

Danica Patrick asked if John Smoltz would like to register JohnSmoltz.com, and if so could she and a few other scantily clad women convince him that he should do so through godaddy.com.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 16, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Expos/Nationals franchise is cursed

Speaking of the Expos, they originally drafted Cliffly. File under something I knew once and had since forgotten about.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and since remembered

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 16, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

~That~ file folder is pretty flimsy. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The CC to DD thing is funny...

But it’d be more painful than funny to watch DD pitch for us again. I’d take those guys if it didn’t cost Escobar, Gamel, Hernan, Salome amongst others…

I’ll take a middle of the road SP for less cost, rather than a stud pitcher that’ll cost us more.

Here’s a few off the top of my head (without looking at #s, so I expect some nasty comments): Zach Duke, Brian Bannister, Scott Richmond, maybe even a Ricky Nolasco?

I especially don’t want to hear “we traded for an innings eater” as the first comment about the SP we trade for… Really? That’s his best trait? OH HELL NO!

Parking Lot Pimpin'

by CATALYST on Jun 16, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd Part With..

Hernan & Salome. Hernan is looking more and more like a utility player and I’d rather see Lucroy behind the plate than Salome.

by TheBurningRom on Jun 16, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the analysis

But I agree with Miller Park Drunk.

DD is probably the only guy on your list who could be on the move. He wouldnt cost nearly as much as the others that is for sure. The big downside would be having to watch him pitch every 5 days. Nothing like a 4 hour long game.

Eveland might not be too bad of an option either. All of the big names that might be available would cost too much, I would not like to see any deal done involving Escobar or Gamel. Hardy on the other hand could be dealt easily in return for solid pitching, and it wouldnt have to be for a rental.

by backtocali on Jun 16, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

No, MPD is right - there isn’t much there. (And I wasn’t advocating trading for these players as much as wondering aloud, “I wonder what pitchers these teams have.”)

As for Eveland…well, he’s pretty bad. I’d like to get him back, just to see if we can turn him around again, but he’s in no shape to help a contender in 2009. (The same with Anthony Reyes, were he not missing the next year and a half from an injury.)

In an ideal world, we could convince Hardy to play a different position, which is an odd thing to ask of you all-star shortstop. Still, given that Escobar allegedly has much better range, it makes more sense to move Hardy than AE.

It also makes more sense to trade JJ than Escobar, given how much more expensive he’ll be - in fact, I think that’s the model for how you build a small-market team: you trade the vets when your young talent is ready to play the majors. Having said that, I’m not convinced AE will hit enough in the majors. Still, only one way to find out…

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to convince teams that Jeremy Jeffress is just as good a prospect as Escobar or Gamel then dump him on them. I don’t have much faith in guys with a drug history going back to A ball at age 21.

I <3 Mike Cameron

by MillerParkDrunk on Jun 16, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I really meant was stoners make terrible baseball players

Everyone knows you have to use the real hard drugs or drink to be successful in baseball. This isn’t the NBA. Sorry for the confusion.

I <3 Mike Cameron

by MillerParkDrunk on Jun 16, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daryl Strawberry

was good, and good only because of the coke? Cool. I should start snorting.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 16, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fifteen years after the little guy was indoctrinated by DARE, I still refer to him using “drugs” when he is about to have a beer or other alcohol Still gets a chuckle when I say, “honey, junior is going to have some drugs.”

by ol Pete on Jun 16, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I win

I <3 Mike Cameron

by MillerParkDrunk on Jun 26, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gamel for Zimmermann

They don’t need him anymore because Strasburg is going to pitch every spot in the rotation, right?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 16, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trust the Jordan Zimmerman!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That picture of Lannan is hilarious

you nailed it….

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jun 16, 2009 4:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Get back off of the internets Joe Morgan

“A Greinke deal might be tough to pull off, though…”

by MkeRoyal on Jun 16, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rest assured

We will want to try to trade for Zach Grienke long after he’s retired.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Rangers are trying to give Vicente Padilla away

The Rangers!

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 16, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is no one talking about Chris Cody?

I know he just got promoted to Triple A, but he’s a lefty with ~13 starts at double/triple A, a sub 2.00 ERA (below 1.50 at triple A in 2 starts), and stellar k/bb and WHIP stats. I have a hard time believing he’s not our 5th starter (over Dillard and his 4+ ERA) come late June if he continues to dominate.

P.S. Cody is the low A-ball guy we got from Detroit for Jose Cappelan in 07. He’s just 24.

by PSlap on Jun 16, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't struck out anybody at AAA for some reason

He k’d a lot of people at AA. If he can mantain a 7-1 ratio at AAA, I’d certainly give him a shot.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 17, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Washburn from the Mariners?

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Jun 16, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's sass, right? You're sassing me.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

stop trying to steal Donald Drivers’ nickname!

"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."

by molitorfan on Jun 16, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's desthpicable!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 16, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should just go get that Ben Sheets guy

I heard he’s pretty good for a half season or so.

by grant76 on Jun 17, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Only when he's under contract for a full season

If you get him for half a season, he’ll get hurt after 6 weeks. OR, he’ll miss the first 6 weeks, but play the second 6.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 17, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he plays the 2nd 6 weeks

does that mean he’s available for the playoffs?

by Brew Angel on Jun 17, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But he’ll make only one start, give up 8 runs in the first inning, and then depart with an inner earn infection.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 17, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inner earn infection

Not having the heart to make money?

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 17, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor guy

:)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 17, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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