A pitcher to trade for
by grant76 on Jun 2, 2009 9:52 AM CDT
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What to like: Career 3.27 ERA and 9.0 K/9 rate. Consistently good for a long time, and only 28.
What not to like: Pitches in a pitcher-friendly park (3.84 ERA on the road). Hefty salary
Salary: $11M - 2009, $15M - 2010, $16M - 2011, $17M - 2012, $4M buyout for 2013
What it would take: It would probably start with Alcides Escobar, and include Manny Parra. The Padres are shedding and payroll, and would look for cheap, young talent exclusively.
What to like: 2.48 ERA this year. 8.9 K/9. Was dominant in 2007, his last year with Baltimore. Seattle GM has ties to Milwaukee
What not to like: Injury history. Free agent after 2009. Might be the most sought pitcher in July.
Salary: $7.75M - 2009
What it would take: Jack Z knows the Brewers minor leagues like the back of his hand and would likely target a top prospect or two.
What to like: 2.31 ERA (3.61ERA career). Younger than Tim Lincecum. Inexpensive and signed through 2011.
What not to like: Very average K/9 (6.24) and BB/9 (3.66). 2nd place Giants may not be selling.
Salary: $2.9M - 2009, About $4M for 2010 and $6M for2011
What it would take: Giants need hitters including a 1B. From a position of strength, they would probably seek Prince Fielder
What to like: Strike throwing (11 K/9 2 BB/9) workhorse (9 straight seasons with 32+ GS) is back in the National league where he has had the most success.
What not to like: In 5 AL years before going to Atlanta, had a very mediocre 4.52 ERA. Is 32. Salary
Salary: $11.5M for 2009, and $11.5M for 2010.
What it would take: Atlanta has a surplus of pitchers with Hudson coming back. Need hitters including outfielders. Their good outfielder is RF Jeff Francoeur, but Corey Hart might still be a target. Better trade for the off season when guys can change positions.
Others:
Cliff Lee is back to his CY Young ways and Bleacher Reports think he can be had for Angel Salome or Jonathan Lucroy and others.
Roy Oswalt could be on the move, but I can't imagine that he will be traded within the division
Brad Penny and Jarrod Washburn will be free agents at the end of the year, and both seem like they could be available at the trading deadline.
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Each player on that list is a guy that would improve the rotation by leaps and bounds, but the only one with a realistic chance of winding up here would be Bedard and he could probably be picked up for Salome or Lucroy and one of the multitude of OF prospects in the system.
I dont think the Braves will turn around and dump Vazquez after having just picked him up, and having parted with a pretty good prospect in Flowers and a mid range guy like Lillibridge.
Cain would be a good pick up too, but then who takes over for Fielder?
Peavy just wont waive his no trade to come here. And his contract would cripple the team financially.
And I wouldnt really want Lee (also why would that website say they want a catcher, when they have the top catching prospect in all of baseball in their system not named Matt Weiters)?
by backtocali on Jun 2, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RE: Vasquez
He is just holding the spot warm for Tommy Hanson. I think he would be available for a good enough bat (not sure if Hart qualifies).
by juggernaut400 on Jun 2, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree about Hanson
He is supposedly a can’t miss top of the rotation guy that should be up soon. They also have Glavine coming back soon and Lowe and Jurrjens are already fixtures. Japan import Kawakami appears to be hitting his stride, so it makes sense that the Braves might look to improve their hitting by trading Vazquez.
Ironically Ken Rosenthal mentioned that Cleveland would want an elite guy like Hanson for Cliff Lee.
by grant76 on Jun 2, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jurrjens
Personally I’d love to have him. But I may just have my fantasy baseball goggles on a little too tight.
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by zsxander567 on Jun 2, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glavine might be a cheap option if we need to trade for a starter. If the Braves rotation lines up Lowe-Jurrjens-Hanson-Medlen-Kawakami, Glavine and Vasquez might be available. Not sure Glavine is gonna be healthy enough or if he even will accept a trade here (or if he can reject one).
by juggernaut400 on Jun 3, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
check Glavine off
just released by Braves
by juggernaut400 on Jun 3, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And they just got McClouth
So they addressed their need for an OF and with the release of Glavine, will likely keep Vazquez.
Maybe Toronto will fall further back and put Halladay on the market.
by grant76 on Jun 3, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would take
the entire farm system to get halladay
by mopack on Jun 4, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything of value, anyway.
:) + Suppan = :'(
by NoahJ on Jun 4, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would he be any more expensive than CC?
by grant76 on Jun 5, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some reason I had in the back of my mind the idea that Roy was a FA after 09. He is actually signed through 2010 (14.25 for ’09, and 15.75 for ’10)
That would make him more expensive than CC.
by grant76 on Jun 5, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did the Tribe get Buster Posey?
But for the most part, I agree with you. I think Bedard is the easiest name to get, though I’m not sure we have the horses in the system to bring him in. Jack Z would want more than just Solome/Lucroy and an OF, and I’m pretty sure a team with a better upper half of the farm would be able to give him a better deal.
I’m not even sure that Javy will be available as the Braves aren’t exactly sellers yet. They are at .500 2 months in.
the price for Cain is more than I’d be willing to give up.
Peavy is an interesting possibilty, but you are right about that contract, though our Arby guys are losing value as the days go by (Corey and JJ).
I’m pretty sure Lee’s price tag is higher than I’d give up for him.
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by Hyatt on Jun 2, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bedard
I can see how Jack Z.‘s familiarity with the Brewers farm might be viewed as a negative, but I think there are some positives to it as well. I think it’s possible he might have some biases for players that might inflate their value over what another team may consider a guy. An example might be a guy like Brewer. Another team looking at his current work in the minors might be scared off by his rather ineffective numbers, while Jack Z. may be more likely to overlook those numbers because of his familiarity with Brewer and the fact that he was involved in drafting him, i.e. he is more likely to see the upside of some of the Brewers farm hands than someone else with no prior knowledge of them.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 3, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pitcher or Hitter
Jon Heyman of SI recently said noted that the Brewers might look to add a pitcher or a hitter for the second half. I like the idea of Cliff Lee or Bedard, but a nice bat might look good, too. I wonder if Uggla would become available, or if Toronto decides to sell, someone like Aaron Hill. Hill is signed through 2011 (with a strange collection of 4 club option years after that) for very cheap. Uggla has two more years of arbitration that would probably cost $14-17mil total.
Who else would we look to add as an offensive piece?
"Nothing is working right now with a lot of the guys. We're trying to see pitches and see what we can do. ... I'm not going to sit there and walk, though. I'll eventually find it, and hopefully we'll still be in it." -Corey Hart
by baumann on Jun 4, 2009 3:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not much of a bat
I wouldnt mind Aaron Hill, if only for all of the free tickets we would get since my wife knows him from High School.
He’s had a nice run this year to start, but I dont know if he is anything more than a .270 hitter with a good glove and no power. Very good as replacement for McGehee/Counsell, but what do you do with him when Weeks gets healthy then?
Uggla works, but the Brewers dont have the Farm System talent that the Marlins would want in return for him.
Would Matt Holliday interest you? Send them Hart and a prospect and a move to a more hitter friendly park maybe ups his numbers. If the White Sox fall out of the race, Jermaine Dye is always a possibility.
Brad Hawpe is maybe the best bat that could be got out there right now. Not a heck of a lot of big bat talent that will be available I bet this year. More of a pitching type of year.
by backtocali on Jun 4, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart is not exactly the type of player Billy Beane normally likes.
I think our most reasonable offensive upgrade is to give Gamel the full time job at 3rd.
by juggernaut400 on Jun 4, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weeelllll...
Billy Beane has not exactly been Billy Beane this year.
Though I agree that, were we to upgrade our offense, I would rather just have Matttttt Gammell starting.
:) + Suppan = :'(
by NoahJ on Jun 4, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
Ma?
we could stretch it a little more to be Ma Grammal (sorta like grandma)
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 5, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard he bakes a mean pan of cookies.
:) + Suppan = :'(
by NoahJ on Jun 5, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mat-yew Game-ell
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by TheJay on Jun 5, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible to trade for Peavy
use him for a year or a year and a half, and then trade him again?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 5, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
in sympathy with Peavy
I, myself, just got used for a half year and I didn’t appreciate too much. :-(
"Nothing is working right now with a lot of the guys. We're trying to see pitches and see what we can do. ... I'm not going to sit there and walk, though. I'll eventually find it, and hopefully we'll still be in it." -Corey Hart
by baumann on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think that his no-trade clause would remain in effect.
by grant76 on Jun 5, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point.
For some reason I was thinking the no trade clause would get re-negotiated if the Padres trade him.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it doesn't get renegotiated:
full no-trade clause for 2010, may block trades to 14 clubs in 2011 and 8 clubs in 2012 (also earns 10-and-5 rights in 2012)
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 5, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you are right.
I think I had forgotten that. Of course he may want the contract altered to include a no-trade for the rest of the contract
by grant76 on Jun 5, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't surprise me at all.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jun 5, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question about that
I’ve always wondered; if a player can block trades to 8 clubs, does he have to give that list of clubs at the beginning of the year, or can he just block pretty much 8 straight trades?
:) + Suppan = :'(
by NoahJ on Jun 5, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AFAIK the list of clubs is usually part of the contract.
Drawn up either as part of the contract negotiations itself, or by some specific date that in turn is in the contract. (Or dates, in case of moving targets like Peavy’s shrinking list.)
by Zeyes on Jun 5, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
10-and-5 refers to ten years in the league, the last five with the same team
So if he’s traded, he won’t get 10-and-5 rights unless he stays with his new team for five years.
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by TheJay on Jun 5, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
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