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San Francisco Giants at Milwaukee Brewers, Jun 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT


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San Francisco Giants
@ Milwaukee Brewers

Friday, Jun 26, 2009, 7:05 PM CDT
Miller Park

Matt Cain vs Yovani Gallardo

Partly cloudy. Game time temperature around 85.

 

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Even though they took the first series of the year from the Brewers, I certainly did not expect the Giants to have the better record at nearly the halfway point of the season. It's not like they aren't who we thought they were, either--they have the worst offense in the National League. They're being carried by a pitching staff that is, on an aggregate basis, the best in the league, but it's really only two guys propping those numbers up, wunderkind Tim Lincecum and tonight's starter (and frequent focus of BCB lust) Matt Cain.

Cain actually has a better ERA than Lincecum, though his peripherals don't match that, being merely good as opposed to otherworldly. Suffice to say, though, he's a hell of a #2 starter. "Hell of a #2 starter" is how most optimistic projections of Yovani Gallardo's career went, too, but the Mexicutioner (sorry, Joakim) has consistently teased us with his true ace upside this year. The Giants' Lilliputian offense will help him out, but he'll need to tap into that ace potential tonight to to break Cain.

Lineups, courtesy of Cash Kruth:

BREWERS
Craig Counsell 2B
J.J. Hardy SS
Ryan Braun LF
Prince Fielder 1B
Casey McGehee 3B
Mike Cameron CF
Corey Hart RF
Jason Kendall C
Yovani Gallardo RHP

GIANTS
Aaron Rowand CF
Randy Winn LF
Pablo Sandoval 3B
Bengie Molina C
Travis Ishikawa 1B
Nate Schierholtz RF
Juan Uribe SS
Matt Downs 2B
Matt Cain RHP

The bullpen rest situation:

  • Carlos Villanueva pitched an inning (15 pitches) on Tuesday.
  • Todd Coffey pitched an inning (10 pitches) on Wednesday.
  • Trevor Hoffman pitched an inning (18 pitches) on Wednesday.
  • Mark DiFelice got one out (three pitches) yesterday.
  • Chris Narveson somehow blew the game yesterday on only 11 pitches.
  • Mitch Stetter got two outs (14 pitches) yesterday and pitched an inning (24 pitches) on Wednesday.
  • Chris Smith pitched two innings (29 pitches) yesterday.

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Before the Brewers switched Low-A teams from West Virginia to Wisconsin, all four of their full-season teams were within two and a half hours of a place called “Canebrake”.

Nashville is 40 minutes from Canebrake, TN.
Huntville is two hours from the same.
West Virginia (Charleston) is 2.5 hours from Canebrake, WV.
Cape Canaveral is in Brevard County; “Canaveral” means “canebrake”.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

MLB network had his postgame

It sounds as if Lou chastised him for throwing his helmet down, they had words and he got sent home.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm shocked

I mean, Milton Bradley and Lou Piniella having to work with each other, I never thought something like that would happen. No, not me.

by morineko on Jun 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McGehee

is in the 5 hole. Maybe to HELP Fielder and Braun get better pitches. Who woulda thunk McGehee is in the running for June Player of the Month for the Crew?

by heybatterbatter on Jun 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dunno

But Craig Coshun just announced McGehee is having the best hitting month in baseball.

by heybatterbatter on Jun 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure if this is true

But I heard on the radio that some of the Jason Kendall bobble heads for an upcoming promotion were damaged in the flood and fans will get vouchers to redeem when replacements arrive. I question the veracity of this report since clearly even a fractionally sized reproduction of Jason Kendall should be able to play thru a little water damage.

by Getting Yosted on Jun 26, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Too bad they weren't voodoo bobbleheads

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, please don't get me started on Davey

I’d be glad to buy the man a beer…but that doesn’t mean he should be a broadcaster.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one watching FSN who can't

hear much beyond the background noise?

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fine for me

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I didn’t expect that to go.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good news everyone!

Normally when I come into a game a few mins after it starts there’s already 1-3 runs on the board for the opposing team! It helps this is a Yo night though

by pharom on Jun 26, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great, already down with Cain pitching.

And for the record Pablo Sandoval is one of the fattest baseball players I’ve seen for a while.

by levnclf on Jun 26, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hardy fail

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Braun success

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ok ryan let celebrate the new house with a home run

ok double will work I need to type faster

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 26, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

KC McE!

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heard both Haudricourt and Witrado in separate radio interviews

both talked about discussing Hall with Macha. He didn’t answer directly, but both floated the possibility that the Buddhist response could mean that Hall isn’t doing too well in the playing pecking order.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

blerg!

my extra innings is out and im missing all the action while my fiance schmoozes time warner for free high speed internet!

good luck charm?

by MKEtotheATX on Jun 26, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shit

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 26, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Fuck

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was my second choice for the potential link title

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am anti-Jeffress

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than a little frustrating

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year it's been no steps forward, three steps back

All this fuss over pot seems pretty silly, but he had enough problems before that.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It does change the upside

I’m not a big fan of the whole “attitude/commitment” evaluation of players, but if you’re less than 3 seasons into your career and have already gotten yourself suspended for 150 games, it kind of brings into question your potential to ever be able to put things together.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 26, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then it wouldn't change the upside,

but it would change the chance he reaches that upside. It’s not very high at all anymore.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 27, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes. If the guy

wants to shorten/harm his career with weed, that’s up to him. but to ban him for weed?! Thank you Nancy Reagan!

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen

but the fact is, the rule is in place. he’s been through it before… smarten up dude

by MKEtotheATX on Jun 26, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what i said just now

i mean, the laws might suck, but come on dude. youre staring down a potential multi-million dollar career… pots just not worth it

by MKEtotheATX on Jun 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Juan lookin big

Cain with the stylish bat

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 7:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

question:

Is Braun denied props for D because of his offense, and because he wasn’t brought up as an OFer?

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 7:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd guess a lot is because he was so bad at his last position

I still hear people talk about how bad he sucks in LF

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

push that bunt up the 3rd base line

I want to see if the panda do some kung fu

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hardy figured out how to solve the BABIP problem

Remove the IP part.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sounds like a chant

“Remove the IP!” (repeat)

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Detroit

on their way to 8 straight wins against the NL Central.

by oconnobe on Jun 26, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad to be on the thread tonight

because it seems that if I were not, there would be like 6 people. Not that those 6 couldn’t get by just fine without me. Or be happy to see me go. Also, YoGa is rocking.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Still no video of the Hardy homer on Gameday

Come on, MLBAM.

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kow

you are being followed

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jun 26, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great at bat Kendall.

Swinging first pitch when he walked corey on 4 straight.

by levnclf on Jun 26, 2009 8:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Leadoff walk to Gallardo

Awesome. Respect the power.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hardy's first bunt hit of the year

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

go speed racer...

and hope for confusion AND a poor throw.

BTW: that win over the Twins might never have happened if it were not the slow-footed JJ at 1st on the double by Kendall, b/c the throw never would have gone home at all.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

with a speedy runner at 1st, he score easily on the double , so there is no throw home. The cutoff man eats the ball. So, no bad throw home (error). So no frustration throw to 3rd by Blackburn (error). So no lead run, and (maybe) no win. Simple. Note I wrote the win MIGHT never have happened.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First why rag about it?

You start out with the premise that scoring from first on a double to left is “easy.” I mean WTF? WTF? Then you go through 3 “so” scenarios and conclude that it is simple. Logic FAIL.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh good, this again

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy, there,

I’m not “ragging about it.” I thought it was great, but kind of funny. I don’t think it’s a “WTF” premise to suggest that, say, Corey Hart (had he been on first base) would have scored with ease on that booming double off the wall . If we accept that simple hypothetical, the events that followed would LIKELY never have had a chance to occur. That’s not logic fail. It’s perfectly logical. Of course, an infinite number of other events could have occurred. My point was simply that JJ’s lack of speed made that result a lot more likely than a fast baserunner at first would have.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perfectly logical?

Your initial premise is faulty. You string together assumptions. I don’t know what you think logic is, but I’ll pass on dissecting your premises. I’d say its a bold WTF.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well mr sabermagician

I’m not some giant Gwynn fan or defender, but for the hell of it I’ll come up with some numbers. Seers require patience.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I’m not some giant Gwynn fan or defender"

Could have fooled me! But then again, apparently I’m easily fooled.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My ever so bold statement

The trashing of him as not worthy of a 5th outfielder position is excessive – crazy I know.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to my dictionary (Random House)

Logic is the “science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.” So we can’t reliably infer that Hart would have scored with (relative to Hardy) ease on that double? We could argue about that I guess. I think it’s reliable to infer that Hart would have not set the events that followed into motion.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you want some good logic links, I can hook you up

and yes, scoring from 1st on a double to left generally isn’t considered easy. You’ve got plenty of other assumptions working as well.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but I didn't write "generally, a baserunner easily

scores from 1st on a double to left." I would not write that, since it isn’t true. I wrote about that particular double by that particular batter with that particular baserunner, whom I think everyone would agree is slow getting around the bases. My premise was specific, not general. And my inference that flows from those facts is, in my opinion, “correct or reliable.” And therefore logical.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you did write that it was generally true

Your “specific” was posited as a contrast to that. Its a bad assumption. Your wild ass conclusion is loaded with assumptions throughout, many not in evidence as they say.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is what I wrote:

“BTW: that win over the Twins might never have happened if it were not the slow-footed JJ at 1st on the double by Kendall, b/c the throw never would have gone home at all.”

If you read that as “generally, a runner on 1st scores on a double to left,” then I refuse to argue with you, as you must be reading some other post. I think it’s clear that my emphasis was that the slow-footed Hardy drew a throw home that a not-slow-footed baserunner would not have drawn, which would not have set the chain of events in motion.

by lawlackey on Jun 26, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now there's some BABIP luck

Prince Fielder up with the bases loaded for the first time since The Grand Slam.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I can't believe Counsell was safe

Terrible throw. Bill says it’s good coaching, but I don’t know. I wouldn’t have sent him there.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why is JJ still at second?

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well that ended quickly

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ok Michael Scott

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jun 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yo being much more efficient tonight

just at 71 pitches through 5.1

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Consider the opponent

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can read your thoughts

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Prince walked to lead off Helena's game and, naturally, tried to steal

He was thrown out, though; 9 SB/2 CS on the season now.

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, Cam would've been out

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Kabir

Brown deer block party…. JJ hardy.

by Flag Up on Jun 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rock dropping the Ben Sheets comp

Bold.

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally

Video of Hardy’s homer.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't sit him downs

but you could K him please, YO

by Flag Up on Jun 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to bring up a sore/unfortunate subject.... But..

 I don’t follow the ML other than reading the great stuff on BCB. How does 100 minor league games compare to a MLB 162 game season. Will he miss a huge chunk of next yr also?

by Flag Up on Jun 26, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because Brevard had only 75 games remaining in its 140-game season, Jeffress’ suspension will carry over to the 2010 season.

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quick!

promote him to the major league squad and move him to the medical leave list.

so he serves his term in MLB time.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe Cain only threw 100 pitches

Only two other games in the Retrosheet era fit the critera of <=100 pitches, >=9 K’s, >= 7 IP, and >= 5 ER.

It’s hard to only throw 100 pitches striking out that many and giving up that many runs while pitching that long.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 9:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought that stat they had up earlier about YoGa was really interesting

YoGa on pitches 1-45 – opponents batting .123 (approx – can’t remember this number exactly)
            on pitches 46-105 – opponents batting .238
            on pitches 106+ – opponents batting .111

by tristarscoop on Jun 26, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

sample bias

if he’s pitching more than 106 pitches, he’s probably doing pretty good.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"You don't expect to get run over by giant meat"

Well, unless you’re kirbir.

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two walks for Hart

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by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

so both SF papers noted that the 3rd starter in the series is still not set

Both talked about Lincecum’s growing innings count. I wonder if the Brewers win tonight and tomorrow (and believe me I don’t assume that), I wonder if Bochy will bump Sanchez back to avoid the sweep.

by ol Pete on Jun 26, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ignore this

I couldn’t recognize David Bush without his beard. >>

by morineko on Jun 26, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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