Game Thread #73: Giants (39-32) at Brewers (38-34)
by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 6:00 PM CDT
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PrintSan Francisco Giants at Milwaukee Brewers, Jun 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT
Even though they took the first series of the year from the Brewers, I certainly did not expect the Giants to have the better record at nearly the halfway point of the season. It's not like they aren't who we thought they were, either--they have the worst offense in the National League. They're being carried by a pitching staff that is, on an aggregate basis, the best in the league, but it's really only two guys propping those numbers up, wunderkind Tim Lincecum and tonight's starter (and frequent focus of BCB lust) Matt Cain.
Cain actually has a better ERA than Lincecum, though his peripherals don't match that, being merely good as opposed to otherworldly. Suffice to say, though, he's a hell of a #2 starter. "Hell of a #2 starter" is how most optimistic projections of Yovani Gallardo's career went, too, but the Mexicutioner (sorry, Joakim) has consistently teased us with his true ace upside this year. The Giants' Lilliputian offense will help him out, but he'll need to tap into that ace potential tonight to to break Cain.
Lineups, courtesy of Cash Kruth:
BREWERS
Craig Counsell 2B
J.J. Hardy SS
Ryan Braun LF
Prince Fielder 1B
Casey McGehee 3B
Mike Cameron CF
Corey Hart RF
Jason Kendall C
Yovani Gallardo RHP
GIANTS
Aaron Rowand CF
Randy Winn LF
Pablo Sandoval 3B
Bengie Molina C
Travis Ishikawa 1B
Nate Schierholtz RF
Juan Uribe SS
Matt Downs 2B
Matt Cain RHP
The bullpen rest situation:
- Carlos Villanueva pitched an inning (15 pitches) on Tuesday.
- Todd Coffey pitched an inning (10 pitches) on Wednesday.
- Trevor Hoffman pitched an inning (18 pitches) on Wednesday.
- Mark DiFelice got one out (three pitches) yesterday.
- Chris Narveson somehow blew the game yesterday on only 11 pitches.
- Mitch Stetter got two outs (14 pitches) yesterday and pitched an inning (24 pitches) on Wednesday.
- Chris Smith pitched two innings (29 pitches) yesterday.
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Geography trivia
Before the Brewers switched Low-A teams from West Virginia to Wisconsin, all four of their full-season teams were within two and a half hours of a place called “Canebrake”.
Nashville is 40 minutes from Canebrake, TN.
Huntville is two hours from the same.
West Virginia (Charleston) is 2.5 hours from Canebrake, WV.
Cape Canaveral is in Brevard County; “Canaveral” means “canebrake”.
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Oh, and this is always fun
Milton Bradley Departs Stadium Early After Confrontation With Lou Piniella
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MLB network had his postgame
It sounds as if Lou chastised him for throwing his helmet down, they had words and he got sent home.
I'm shocked
I mean, Milton Bradley and Lou Piniella having to work with each other, I never thought something like that would happen. No, not me.
McGehee
is in the 5 hole. Maybe to HELP Fielder and Braun get better pitches. Who woulda thunk McGehee is in the running for June Player of the Month for the Crew?
by heybatterbatter on Jun 26, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
I wonder how much Gamel not playing tonight has to do with his "interesting" defense yesterday
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I dunno
But Craig Coshun just announced McGehee is having the best hitting month in baseball.
by heybatterbatter on Jun 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure if this is true
But I heard on the radio that some of the Jason Kendall bobble heads for an upcoming promotion were damaged in the flood and fans will get vouchers to redeem when replacements arrive. I question the veracity of this report since clearly even a fractionally sized reproduction of Jason Kendall should be able to play thru a little water damage.
Hmm, I wonder why Davey waited until after the Twins series to roll out this Mark+Mitch "M&M" nonsense
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oh, please don't get me started on Davey
I’d be glad to buy the man a beer…but that doesn’t mean he should be a broadcaster.
Good news everyone!
Normally when I come into a game a few mins after it starts there’s already 1-3 runs on the board for the opposing team! It helps this is a Yo night though
Great, already down with Cain pitching.
And for the record Pablo Sandoval is one of the fattest baseball players I’ve seen for a while.
ok ryan let celebrate the new house with a home run
ok double will work I need to type faster
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
That hit at the base of the yellow line, for those not watching
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heard both Haudricourt and Witrado in separate radio interviews
both talked about discussing Hall with Macha. He didn’t answer directly, but both floated the possibility that the Buddhist response could mean that Hall isn’t doing too well in the playing pecking order.
blerg!
my extra innings is out and im missing all the action while my fiance schmoozes time warner for free high speed internet!
good luck charm?
I'll post the Brewers video highlights as soon as Gameday Premium does
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That was my second choice for the potential link title
I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.
Doesn't change the upside but it will take him 100 more games to reach it
I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.
This year it's been no steps forward, three steps back
All this fuss over pot seems pretty silly, but he had enough problems before that.
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It does change the upside
I’m not a big fan of the whole “attitude/commitment” evaluation of players, but if you’re less than 3 seasons into your career and have already gotten yourself suspended for 150 games, it kind of brings into question your potential to ever be able to put things together.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Well then it wouldn't change the upside,
but it would change the chance he reaches that upside. It’s not very high at all anymore.
I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.
yes. If the guy
wants to shorten/harm his career with weed, that’s up to him. but to ban him for weed?! Thank you Nancy Reagan!
that's what i said just now
i mean, the laws might suck, but come on dude. youre staring down a potential multi-million dollar career… pots just not worth it
On a more positive note
Here’s the video of Braun’s RBI double.
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question:
Is Braun denied props for D because of his offense, and because he wasn’t brought up as an OFer?
I'd guess a lot is because he was so bad at his last position
I still hear people talk about how bad he sucks in LF
Hardy figured out how to solve the BABIP problem
Remove the IP part.
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I'm glad to be on the thread tonight
because it seems that if I were not, there would be like 6 people. Not that those 6 couldn’t get by just fine without me. Or be happy to see me go. Also, YoGa is rocking.
Kow
you are being followed
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Grit doesn't wait
It pounces on weakness.
by Getting Yosted on Jun 26, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
go speed racer...
and hope for confusion AND a poor throw.
BTW: that win over the Twins might never have happened if it were not the slow-footed JJ at 1st on the double by Kendall, b/c the throw never would have gone home at all.
why?
with a speedy runner at 1st, he score easily on the double , so there is no throw home. The cutoff man eats the ball. So, no bad throw home (error). So no frustration throw to 3rd by Blackburn (error). So no lead run, and (maybe) no win. Simple. Note I wrote the win MIGHT never have happened.
First why rag about it?
You start out with the premise that scoring from first on a double to left is “easy.” I mean WTF? WTF? Then you go through 3 “so” scenarios and conclude that it is simple. Logic FAIL.
Easy, there,
I’m not “ragging about it.” I thought it was great, but kind of funny. I don’t think it’s a “WTF” premise to suggest that, say, Corey Hart (had he been on first base) would have scored with ease on that booming double off the wall . If we accept that simple hypothetical, the events that followed would LIKELY never have had a chance to occur. That’s not logic fail. It’s perfectly logical. Of course, an infinite number of other events could have occurred. My point was simply that JJ’s lack of speed made that result a lot more likely than a fast baserunner at first would have.
perfectly logical?
Your initial premise is faulty. You string together assumptions. I don’t know what you think logic is, but I’ll pass on dissecting your premises. I’d say its a bold WTF.
well mr sabermagician
I’m not some giant Gwynn fan or defender, but for the hell of it I’ll come up with some numbers. Seers require patience.
"I’m not some giant Gwynn fan or defender"
Could have fooled me! But then again, apparently I’m easily fooled.
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My ever so bold statement
The trashing of him as not worthy of a 5th outfielder position is excessive – crazy I know.
according to my dictionary (Random House)
Logic is the “science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.” So we can’t reliably infer that Hart would have scored with (relative to Hardy) ease on that double? We could argue about that I guess. I think it’s reliable to infer that Hart would have not set the events that followed into motion.
you want some good logic links, I can hook you up
and yes, scoring from 1st on a double to left generally isn’t considered easy. You’ve got plenty of other assumptions working as well.
but I didn't write "generally, a baserunner easily
scores from 1st on a double to left." I would not write that, since it isn’t true. I wrote about that particular double by that particular batter with that particular baserunner, whom I think everyone would agree is slow getting around the bases. My premise was specific, not general. And my inference that flows from those facts is, in my opinion, “correct or reliable.” And therefore logical.
you did write that it was generally true
Your “specific” was posited as a contrast to that. Its a bad assumption. Your wild ass conclusion is loaded with assumptions throughout, many not in evidence as they say.
this is what I wrote:
“BTW: that win over the Twins might never have happened if it were not the slow-footed JJ at 1st on the double by Kendall, b/c the throw never would have gone home at all.”
If you read that as “generally, a runner on 1st scores on a double to left,” then I refuse to argue with you, as you must be reading some other post. I think it’s clear that my emphasis was that the slow-footed Hardy drew a throw home that a not-slow-footed baserunner would not have drawn, which would not have set the chain of events in motion.
Now there's some BABIP luck
Prince Fielder up with the bases loaded for the first time since The Grand Slam.
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Wow, I can't believe Counsell was safe
Terrible throw. Bill says it’s good coaching, but I don’t know. I wouldn’t have sent him there.
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ok Michael Scott
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
two runs with cc and the pitcher on the bases
can’t really complain about that
by Nicole Haase on Jun 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Yo being much more efficient tonight
just at 71 pitches through 5.1
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I can read your thoughts
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Josh Prince walked to lead off Helena's game and, naturally, tried to steal
He was thrown out, though; 9 SB/2 CS on the season now.
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"It's not often you walk out to your position and you almost get attacked by five sausages."
Speak for yourself, Rock.
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Hate to bring up a sore/unfortunate subject.... But..
I don’t follow the ML other than reading the great stuff on BCB. How does 100 minor league games compare to a MLB 162 game season. Will he miss a huge chunk of next yr also?
Because Brevard had only 75 games remaining in its 140-game season, Jeffress’ suspension will carry over to the 2010 season.
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quick!
promote him to the major league squad and move him to the medical leave list.
so he serves his term in MLB time.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 26, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't believe Cain only threw 100 pitches
Only two other games in the Retrosheet era fit the critera of <=100 pitches, >=9 K’s, >= 7 IP, and >= 5 ER.
It’s hard to only throw 100 pitches striking out that many and giving up that many runs while pitching that long.
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Anyone got a link to the Counsell's slide at home?
I’d like to link it in the post game thread. Thanks.
if it's not up by the end of the game, can you add it to the post game thread?
by Nicole Haase on Jun 26, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that stat they had up earlier about YoGa was really interesting
YoGa on pitches 1-45 – opponents batting .123 (approx – can’t remember this number exactly)
on pitches 46-105 – opponents batting .238
on pitches 106+ – opponents batting .111
sample bias
if he’s pitching more than 106 pitches, he’s probably doing pretty good.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 26, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
"You don't expect to get run over by giant meat"
Well, unless you’re kirbir.
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it looks like his legs are on backwards
by Nicole Haase on Jun 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
so both SF papers noted that the 3rd starter in the series is still not set
Both talked about Lincecum’s growing innings count. I wonder if the Brewers win tonight and tomorrow (and believe me I don’t assume that), I wonder if Bochy will bump Sanchez back to avoid the sweep.
me, watching the game on FS North, see 3-1
2 outs, bottom of 9th, Nathan just got hit in the stomach with a ball
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