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"Jeremy is extremely remorseful for what happened and will be voluntarily checking himself into a rehab facility to deal with his problem," Kusnick said. "Jeremy is sick and needs help. We are here to support him in getting his life back. Right now, the most important thing is to help him get his life back, and baseball will take care of itself.

"He is sorry for letting everyone down who believes in him."

-Jeffress' agent. If you missed it, Jeffress, the Brewers' top pitching prospect, was suspended for 100 games.

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I believed in you, Jeremy.

I Believed in you.

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on Jun 26, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I truly truly feel for Jeffress in this, but the only people who are sick are each and every person in the Brewers organization, and we the fans. I honestly felt, based on how he handled the 50 game suspension and talks with Mike Cameron, that he really turned the corner mentally, but that’s obviously crap.

I really feel for him, as a person, but someone in this position should be a whole heck of a lot smarter, and I hope, for our sake, he can make something of himself as a person, because he sure won’t be pitching professionally without fixing himself first.

PensBurgh penalty - Lavender - 2 Minutes for Excessive Stanley Cup Raising.

by Lavender on Jun 26, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't need to feel for him at all.

Assuming, for the moment, that the substance of abuse is again weed, he made an idiotic choice, and that’s it. It is extremely difficult, and relatively rare, to develop an actual addiction to marijuana (assuming that’s what he tested positive for; if he’s into other substances for which chemical addiction is possible or likely, that’s another story). Even if we accept the premise that chemical addiction to alcohol, cocaine, etc. is an illness, weed isn’t the same. IF he tested positive for weed, then he’s not sick, he’s just an ass. And under those circumstances, he’s not worthy of your empathy.

i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 26, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

"It is extremely difficult, and relatively rare, to develop an actual addiction to marijuana"

That’s not true, but alright. Not really the forum to be debating it.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 26, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DSM criteria for addiction:

3) Difficulty controlling your use.
4) Negative consequences.

Debating the merits of marijuana being illegal is one thing, but don’t act as if he is being persecuted for his religious beliefs or something. He is unable to control his use of a recreational substance to the point of it having major consequences on his life; that is a component of addiction, and yes, someone suffering from addiction is “sick and needs help.”

That being said, it’s equally likely that he’s just an idiot and is getting the typical fake-rehab publicity to cover up his stupidity.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

DSM != definition bequeated to us by God

This is a whole debate that isn’t worth going very far into a Brewers site, of course, but just because an academic discipline defines something in a certain (self-serving) way doesn’t mean all of us should adjust our judgments accordingly. This is particularly true with DSM IV.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 26, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

hmm

I meant beaqueathed.

I’m sure God could bequeat if he were so inclined, however.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 26, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tried to be clear...

… in my comment above, but I failed. What I was referring to was chemical addiction. The DSM criteria (or at least that part of the DSM criteria as quoted above) would make virtually everyone on the planet an addict of one form or another, and thus “sick” and in need of help.

While I can appreciate SRB’s point, I think that defining addiction as any situation where the user has difficulty controlling his use and suffering negative consequences as a result is a big pile of shit.

i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I, personally, don’t know too many people who have potentially thrown away lucrative careers as professional athletes because of an inability to control their drug use even after severe reprimands.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Neither do I.

But I’ve met plenty who have lost jobs and families to abuse of substances whose use creates a chemical need for that substance and a physical reaction when that need isn’t met. Those folks are in a lot different situation than the frequent users of THC I’ve met, who use because they like it, and not because their body demands it. From my perspective (and it’s just my opinion) there is a huge difference between using a substance to satisfy a chemical addiction and using a substance out of habit. Which category Jeffress falls into is unknown to me because they don’t identify the substance of abuse in the announcement of the suspension. But if it’s weed, again, then barring extraordinary circumstances he’s not sick, he’s just a moron.

i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 26, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Tom, is that you?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jun 26, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

strawman

Those are not terms usually reserved for pedophiles or schizophrenics.

Pedophile terms are more like “X is the scum of the earth. Whether X realizes it or not, rotting away in prison for the rest of his life is not near the punishment he deserves; May God have mercy on X’s extraoridarily depraved soul…”

Or more likely, X’s agent would say, “X is innocent. We categorically denounce pedophilia as the horrible think it is, and will defend ourselves against this slander.” In either case, it’s not even in the same ballpark as what Kusnick said.

As for schizophrenia, well, the quote is probably closer there, but schizophrenics need not feel remorse, they don’t talk in terms of rehab, they don’t ‘let people down’, so to speak. Just not a fair comparison, I would humbly submit.

I wish society would grow up too, so we agree on that.

by cmow on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

or they say

X is the king of pop.

"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."

by molitorfan on Jun 27, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

cmow-

I was referring specifically to the quote “Jeremy is sick and needs help.”

My point is how our society refers to the use of marijuana as de facto “sick”, regardless if it is an addictive use or simply recreational. This attitude treats pot use as if it’s in the same category of actual mental abnormalities like pedophilia and schizophrenia. Of course, I overstated the comparison, because I’m trying to make a point by comparison.

The fact is that the war against “some types of people who use some types of” drugs is a scourge to our collective ability to form sound judgments about what’s right and wrong based on the actual facts of the situation. It is a governmental propaganda campaign that has effectively made most of us incapable of looking at the use of any criminalized substance as anything but “sick” and requiring “help.”

If Jeffress is a drug addict and cannot perform his job adequately or is somehow putting others at risk because of his adult choice to smoke pot, than MLB and the Brewers organization should suspend him, because that is a reasonable decision based on articulable facts.

But to potentially ruin an extremely talented individual’s life simply because we disapprove of the use of marijuana? That’s indefensible under these circumstances.

by 400metres on Jun 27, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wait, it's the rule (and society's tacit approval of it) that is ruining Jeffress' life?

Here I thought he’s the one to blame first and foremost. He’s still free to ply his baseball talents most elsewhere in the world (I suppose some leagues might honor the suspension), but as he happened to be competing in MLB/MiLB he’s bound by whatever rules they see fit to set, stupid or not – if minor league pitchers were required to pitch wearing boxing gloves starting tomorrow, they’d grudgingly have to go along with that, too, after all, if they wanted to continue their careers.

I can respect people who break rules in order to make a point (the usual caveats such as not endangering others in the process apply, of course), but I find it very difficult to put the blame on organizations or society at large when somebody just didn’t care about the consequences of getting caught, no matter how dumb a particular rule might be.

Society does need to grow up, I agree, but I’d say that growing up has to start at the individual level. Jeffress can go start right now.

by Zeyes on Jun 27, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fun fact

I just learned that the (MLB) All-Star Game counts as a game in a player’s suspension if he was selected to it.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

Hmm. I got these from the Joint Drug Agreement (ha):

8.F. Marijuana

A Player on the Administrative Track for the use or possession of marijuana shall not be subject to suspension. The Player will be subject to fines, which shall be progressive and which shall not exceed $25,000 for any particular violation. Notwithstanding the foregoing, a Player who participates in the sale or distribution (as those terms are used in the criminal code) of marijuana will be subject to the discipline set forth in Section 8.E above.

8.J. Completion of Minor League Discipline

A Player suspended under Major League Baseball’s Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program (“Minor League Program”) who is selected to or otherwise placed on a 40-man roster before such suspension is complete shall be suspended at the Major League level for the lesser of: (a) the remainder of the suspension imposed under the Minor League Program or (b) the difference between the maximum penalty that could have been imposed under this Major League Program (had each of the Player’s violations occurred while he was on a 40-man roster) and the number of games already served by the Player at the Minor League level. A Player who tests positive under the Minor League Program or has otherwise violated the Minor League Program and who is not notified of that positive test result or of the violation until after his promotion to a 40-man roster shall be treated as if the Player tested positive under or violated the Major League Program. Except as provided in this Paragraph J, a violation of the Minor League Program shall not be considered as a violation of this Major League Program for any purpose under this Section 8.

Does that mean that if the Brewers added Jeffress to the 40-man, his suspension would be nullified?

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 26, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That is extremely extremely stupid that there are two sets of rules

What the hell is that? Why should it be a suspension in the minors and not on the 40-man? The legal system should take care of that. It’s his own damn fault, obviously, but I don’t get that at all.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 27, 2009 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Compare and Contrast

Soto smokes weed – no fine or suspension.

Jeffress smokes weed (again) – 100 game suspension.

70% of NBA players smokes weed – nobody cares.

This is such crap. That said, Jeffress knew the rules and still couldn’t follow them. He deserves what he gets.

by tosabrewfan on Jun 27, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more...

… on all counts.

i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 27, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moran

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 27, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd.

i have a reasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 27, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

100 days for pot...

Jeffers is stupid and the rule is stupid.

by Braunstalker on Jun 27, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whether the rule should or shouldn't be a rule is irrelevant.

Jeremy Jeffress was given a fantastic opportunity to prove he belonged in the big leagues, perhaps as soon as the end of next season, given his ability to continue to work hard and obey some pretty simple rules. Even having been suspended once before, he chose pot over baseball.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Jun 28, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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