Giants 7, Brewers 0

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 3:56 PM CDT in Game Threads Comment 70 comments

When you've said "Jeff Suppan", you've said it all.

0 recs | Comment 70 comments

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

that image should come with the macro

THANKS FOR THE LOOT, ASSHOLES!

by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice picture

A tiny ray of happiness on a crappy day

dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove

by GoGregGo on Jun 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Hell even yo cannot win when they score no runs

that being said I hate Jeff Suppan

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs

This.

Sure Suppan and co. sucked in a way that would have prevented most teams from winning, but a few runs would have been nice.

I’m beginning to think that Craig Counsell’s presence in the lineup is actually needed. (And Rickie Weeks is sadly needed even more.)

by morineko on Jun 28, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

When you've said "Jeff Suppan vs. an MLB debut", you've said it all?

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well, that, too

Considering last week’s “Braden Looper vs. an MLB debut.”

by morineko on Jun 28, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dropped that on my old man

and it didn’t seem to compute. I had a nice little “told you so” moment this afternoon.

Get over it.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Everytime they show the Powerball thing and Rickie Weeks is sitting there on 9 home runs despite having been out for ages I have the same thoughts….

by MrLeam on Jun 28, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think Gamel and McGehee need to be in the lineup as often as possible, though

unless you’re going to send Gamel back to AAA. Counsell can play short, right?

by warwick5s on Jun 28, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Counsell can play SS

whether or not he should with those knee issues is another matter. He has lost some range over the last few years, I believe.

He certainly gets on base more than Hardy does; it’s a question of runs gained via Counsell’s offense and lost with his defense vs. runs gained with Hardy’s defense and lost with this offense.

by morineko on Jun 28, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

According to Ye Olde Lineup Tool

based on current performance a lineup with Hardy at short, McGehee at 3rd, and Counsell at 2nd would score .117 more runs per game than a lineup with Counsell at short, McGehee at 2nd and Gamel at third. I think it’s easy to assume that defensively Hardy / McGehee / Counsell would be worth more than .117 runs per game vs Gamel / Counsell / McGehee.

by warwick5s on Jun 28, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

whoops I had that backwards

Hardy / McGehee / Counsell scores .117 runs per game LESS than Counsell / Gamel / McGehee

by warwick5s on Jun 28, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Using "current performance" is pretty much useless analyticaly at this point, though

I’d suggest using the rest-of-season projections on fangraphs player pages.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, but no matter how well they've played this year, Counsell is not a offensive plus compared to Hardy

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

this year is really weird

I wish Hardy would break out of this slump. (I wish Weeks wasn’t hurt, either.)

by morineko on Jun 28, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

At least there's

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yup no ground gained but no ground lost either

It is baseball trench warfare

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 28, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can Manny Parra spell cat yet?

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 28, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

in pinch-hitting duties, you mean?

by Zeyes on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Always could

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 28, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

well everyone enjoy the rest of your Sunday I think I am going to go shoot up and pass out in the back yard

The kids love when I do that ;)

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 28, 2009 4:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

BTW...

Ian Snell struck out 17 in his first start after the voluntary demotion to AAA.

by Zeyes on Jun 28, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I always liked that guy

by DukeMarkell on Jun 28, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

On only 108 pitches and in only seven innings

Wow. I guess his stuff is intact.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The new ptichman

Maybe Suppan can be the next Billy Mays.

by statsllc on Jun 28, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

too soon :(

by sowingwildoats on Jun 28, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Never too soon.

How quickly did you get or send a text with a MJ joke involved?

Get over it.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 28, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cards lose 6-2

Liriano remembered how to pitch.

by morineko on Jun 28, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Haudricourt:

Ash said general manager Doug Melvin contacted the Indians about DeRosa but didn’t have what Cleveland wanted – young, major league-ready pitching. St. Louis sent young reliever Chris Perez and a player to be named to the Indians in the trade.
"They didn’t feel like we had the type of players they were looking for," said Ash. "The big thing will be who the second player is. I would imagine it’s a pretty good player.
"(The Cardinals’) interest in him is similar to ours – the fact that he can play all over. He can fill multiple roles. It does make them better, no question about that."

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

young major league-ready pitching

sure would be nice to have some of that lying around, eh?

by warwick5s on Jun 28, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

the Brewers have lots of old AAA pitching

but that’s freely available every winter as minor league free agents.

by morineko on Jun 28, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure

about “young major league-ready pitching”, but if they’re looking for “old minor league-ready pitching” I can think of a certain player…

by MrLeam on Jun 28, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't really know anything about Chris Perez

But would Villanueva have been a similar player that we could have traded?

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on Jun 28, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah that's a pretty good comparison

except teams might foolishly downgrade him for not looking and throwing as hard as a ‘normal’ closer.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 28, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

not really

Stetter would be a better comparison. Villanueva has too much service time to be comperable.

by Ender on Jun 28, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perez had a reputation

Last year he did a great job while Izzy was hurt. There was a lot of talk of making him the closer this season. I’m curious as to who the PTNBL will be. Maybe a recent draft pick?

I also wonder if, had we offered Villy, would the price have risen, since he and Perez have similar value.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 28, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

nope.

too much service time, not enough closer ‘projectability’

by mopack on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont think so

Perez has a high 90s fastball and nasty slider, both plus pitches, he also has much less service time. On stuff alone Villanueva doesnt come close to Perez. Experience bumps Villy up a bit, in the long run Perez is a closer on a championship level team. Villy will always be a long reliever type of guy.

by backtocali on Jun 28, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Please stop vomiting ignorance all over the blog

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 28, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Oh Yeah

I forgot, any time there is something where a Brewer is not as good as a player on another team its ignorance. My mistake.

Fact of the matter is that Perez has a very high ceiling, Villanueva does not.

Seems like youve maybe been swallowing a lot of your own vomit, probably has made decent food very hard to swallow.

by backtocali on Jun 28, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My goodness, an actual reply upon being challenged.

(I wonder if there’ll be another one forthcoming in response to Jordan’s more substantive critique now.)

by Zeyes on Jun 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It's a lot closer than you think.

So you’d prefer a reliever with a 10:5 k/bb ratio to a reliever with a 9:3 k/bb ratio? Villanueva has better ground ball ability as well. If they had exactly equal contract situations I’d take Villy over Perez. Yeah the stuff gives him a bit of a higher upside, but he hasn’t walked less than 4.5 per 9 at any point in his career. I mean, Villy’s upside has to be somewhere around 80 innings, 2 ERA, a K per inning, and very few walks. He did that over 60 innings last year.

Villy is under no circumstances a “long reilever guy”. He’s a top setup reliever and maybe a closer. I don’t care if he throws 75, 85, 95, or 105. He strikes out a lot of people and doesn’t walk anybody.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

"He strikes out a lot of people and doesn’t walk anybody."

Sounds like fellow below-average stuff reliever Mark DeFelice [sic].

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Villanueva is consistent

I will give him that, but he is not a difference maker. Over the last 3 years, he has posted 1.7 WAR, thats about a half win a year. It all comes down to who you would rather have, a lights out closer who may be inconsistent, or maybe only give you a year or two of top quality performance, vs the steady, no thrills type of guy.

At his peak (one year) Derrick Turnbow had a 1.3 WAR, so thats one years worth of performance to match 3 years for a guy like Villaneuva. Perez gets his control in order, he becomes a lights out closer. Villanueva has been tried as a closer and had not been very effective.

In the end, the higher value is placed on the closer, whether they are successful for a short time or longer, and the set up guys are not valued as high. Is Villy more consistent, sure, but is he as good or better than Perez, I just dont think so (there is also the upside issue when comparing the 2).

by backtocali on Jun 29, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: WAR

I don’t think you should hold Villy’s struggles as a starter against him when evaluating him as a reliever, first of all. Secondly, reliever WAR is going to be skewed because it depends on the manager’s use of the player. Villy’s a 1.5 WAR-ish reliever, because he can go about 80 innings at pretty high leverage.

Perez’s upside is pretty high, yeah. Would you say it’s 60 innings at a 2 ERA? If that’s his upside, well, that’s exactly what Villy put up last year. I think you’re just hiding behind the velocity here.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And yes he is as good or better than Perez

If Perez figures out how to stop walking people, then he’s probably better. But not now.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 29, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Apples and Oranges

I see your point, and I get it, but who is better, Villanueva or Eric Arnett? Villy fulfills a role and he does it quite well. But if he strays from that role, he starts to meander with his performance. Its all about potential imo. Any GM out there wants a guy who can get better and perform as time goes on. The reason Perez was able to be dealt for DeRosa was that they saw that potential, liked the stuff (not to mention a big PTBNL) and the Brewers did not have that type of pitcher to give up. The Indians thought they could get more from Perez than from Villy, otherwise, the Brewers would have DeRosa right now.

by backtocali on Jun 29, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're still missing my point about the upside, though

Let’s say you think Perez’s upside is all-star closer, 70 high-leverage innings, 1.5 ERA.

Villy had 60 innings with a 9:2 k/bb ratio last year, with some pretty high leverage and about a 2 ERA. His peripherals are really strong again, and the ERA is pretty out of line. So maybe Villy’s upside is 85-90 high-leverage innings with a 2 ERA— that’s pretty much the same value right there. I’ll give you the contract status issue, but they’re pretty dang close overall.

You can’t just abuse the upside argument. Brent Brewer has more upside than Albert Pujols, for example.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 29, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

i was at the game today

i know i am a suppan disciple……ridicule me bitches!

anyways, it’s tough to win when you get no run support. that game was pathetic

"This one means 'Kill Kirk!!!!'... And also, 'hallelujah'... Depending on the context."

by trippingandy on Jun 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I was up north this weekend, and I'm not going back & reading everything

Jeffress is fucked now, right? Gotta cut ties.

Get over it.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

i was trying to find if anyone's been banned yet by MLB/MiLB for drugs, etc (ie, not gambling or being mean to people)

but didn’t get any hits. so, either that means I’m not looking in the right place, or it hasn’t happened.

So….how many people have 2 strikes against them under current policy? Anyone know?

by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 28, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just saying

The club needs to cut ties, regardless. It’s not like he’s that good.

Get over it.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 28, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What would be the point of that?

Every team in the majors would be clamoring to pick him up once the suspension was over. I think he’s an idiot, but I don’t see what cutting him would accomplish.

I last May, still no more than Nick Neugebauer not.

by Jordan M on Jun 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's proven that he's not all that interested in following the rules, let some other team deal with his lifetime ban.

by Mykenk on Jun 29, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Googling around for 100 game suspensions...

Former Dbacks P Angel Rocha in 2006 (for PEDs according to articles other than the linked one…he showed back up for 4 appearances at the end of the season, then played in the independent United League the next year; nothing since)

Former Rays P Matt Rico in 2006 for a drug of abuse (I think…earlier articles said PED; doesn’t look like he played professionally afterwards)

Former Mets P Jorge Reyes in 2007 for PEDs (doesn’t seem to have been active since)

Dodgers SS/2B Sergio Garcia in 2007 for PEDs (he’s still with the club)

Former Reds P Justin Mallett a few weeks ago for a drug of abuse (released by the club right afterwards.)

by Zeyes on Jun 29, 2009 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So I haven't had internet the past few days

How did the whole timing runs to first base thing turn out?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 28, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Pete's banned, so who cares?

Everyone else in the world knows that J.J. Hardy ain’t too fast.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jun 29, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Garth Iorg can vouch for that

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jun 29, 2009 5:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

slowest non catching white man in the game lol

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 29, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

he got banned?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 29, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just looked it up

Wow, he really lost it

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jun 29, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah he went bibbely yesterday

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I kinda feel sorry

No, not about him getting banned (though I’d survive if it hadn’t happened), but about refraining to mix it up with him for a year when apparently he’d been only one step from the precipice all this time… It’s not like the signs weren’t there all along.

Possible moral of the story: Don’t listen to as much sports talk radio as Pete seemingly does day in day out, or you too might end up thinking you’re the only person who understands this world.

by Zeyes on Jun 29, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

Let me spell this out Brewer fans - N E V E R. I am also a Brewer fan but I find the 101 year insult pretty weak considering the Brewers have never won a championship. It ranks up there with “the Cubs still suck.” - B R I L L I A N T

by tannerboyle on Jun 29, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

"The Cubs Still Suck"

is still a great insult.

besides, who cares that the brewers haven’t won a championship. The cubs have had >3 times as many chances, haven’t they?

Wonder how long that karma’s going to stick around from throwing the WS in 1918… hopefully awhile.

by Mykenk on Jun 29, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

also as a city Milwaukee does have a World Series Championship in that 101 year period

Don’t you worry Tanner I will get right on changing that, at the end of the season I will be changing it to O N E H U N D R E D A N D T W O Y E A R S. Hopefully that will make you happy

I always wonder when people start their bitch with "I am also a “Brewer Fan” caveat I think he is a Cubs Sock Puppet lol

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That doesn't count...

… unless we give all of chicago credit for the white sox WS win.

Brewers <> Braves.

by Mykenk on Jun 29, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey if the Brewers are not going to let the Braves thing go

I can drag it out when it is useful for me ;)

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jun 29, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

by Mykenk on Jun 29, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, I'm perfectly willing to give Chicago credit for the White Sox WS victory.

It’s Cubs fans who aren’t too keen on that…

by Zeyes on Jun 29, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed

Search

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Featured Poll

Poll

Of the early postseason transactions and developments, which are you most excited about?

79 - 82

Games Back: 11

Streak: Won 3

Games Left: 1

NL Central Standings

	W	L	PCT	GB	STRK
St. Louis Viva El Birdos	91	71	.561	0	Lost 6
Chicago Bleed Cubbie Blue	83	78	.515	7.5	Lost 1
Milwaukee Brew Crew Ball	80	82	.493	11	Won 3
Cincinnati Red Reporter	78	84	.481	13	Won 2
Houston The Crawfish Boxes	74	88	.456	17	Lost 3
Pittsburgh Bucs Dugout	62	99	.385	28.5	Lost 2