Game Thread #53a
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:18 PM CDT
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how do you go from one hitter to being unable to finish the evening
he did this to himself with that error that was a single
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looper went all Manny Parra on us
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
by WSB Chris on Jun 3, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
… if we hang on, is this a game without a winning pitcher?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
or
winning fans
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Presumably McClung will get the win
Unless the official scorer gets cute again and tries to give it to Sanches.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it possible to have a game without a winning pitcher?
And if so, how?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
If the starter doesn’t last five innings but his team never relinquishes the lead, the win goes to whichever reliever pitched most effectively in the judgment of the official scorer.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rule 10.17 if you want to read the actual rule.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok.
Thought I remembered games in the past where there was no winning pitcher, but I’m probably wrong.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no wins in games that end in a tie :)
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Looper cannot get the win in a game where they scored him 9 runs
Wow
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
by WSB Chris on Jun 3, 2009 8:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Braden Looper:
Now with Suppan Powers!
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Big Red!
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
totally not over the plate for strike 3
but whatever.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
even the ump wanted out of the 5th
by keephopealive on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ump thoughts....
… “if I don’t expand the zone, I’m going to sweat through my shirt in the 6th inning.”
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hallelujah!!!
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the worst four-run lead ever
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love me some Irish Coffey!
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That so doesn't have the same ring to it
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to be fair, he's not Klingon either...
… and I never had problem with that joke…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"allegedly" not Klingon
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last six outs took 55 minutes, I think
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets us sing songs of Praise for the Son of Clung
He stood in the breach and said “We Hold Here”
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
by WSB Chris on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"YOUUUU....SHALL NOOOOOOT....PAAAAASSSS!!!!"
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
i don't get it
is big red gandalf or the balrog?
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, but Prince is the cave troll
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was truly a tampax call to the pen
the bleeding was stopped
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow i couldn't watch until i knew it was over.
that inning was gnarly for both teams.
by MKEtotheATX on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
easily a strike according to gameday
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on Jun 3, 2009 8:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well hey, we won the fifth inning by two
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and in Washington....
I still see it listed as Delayed on CNN. Is that possible? It’s been 2 hours and 15 minutes
by DukeMarkell on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Still raining there
According to the radio
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
I’m actually in Washington, and it’s raining pretty hard. I just can’t believe they haven’t called the game.
by DukeMarkell on Jun 3, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same hair
it is pouring
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 3, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
21 batters that inning
REALLY glad I wasn’t there keep score
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What have I missed?`
I got held up from 6:30 till now, totally missed the game so far just turning in. I checked the cell phone, I was happy with 5-1, I was amazed at 9-1 after the last two days… and now… what the hell did I just miss and how bad was it?
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to know and it was bad
Looper was rockin’ his Jorge Parra impression.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Jorge Parra and Manny Julio had a love child
Would it be Chin Chien-Ming Wang
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
instead of correcting my spelling the first attempt i left the incorrect one there as well, excellent =(
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to figure out if that was an inexplicable fat joke or what
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was pretty bad
- D. Uggla singled to center
- J. Baker singled to right, D. Uggla to second
- A. De Aza singled to left, D. Uggla to third, J. Baker to second
- B. Sanches singled to pitcher, D. Uggla scored, J. Baker to third, A. De Aza to second
- C. Coghlan grounded into double play second to shortstop to first, J. Baker scored, A. De Aza to third, B. Sanches out at second
- E. Bonifacio singled to left, A. De Aza scored
- H. Ramirez singled to left, E. Bonifacio to third
- J. Cantu singled to right, E. Bonifacio scored, H. Ramirez to second
- H. Ramirez to third, J. Cantu to second on wild pitch
- J. Hermida walked
- S. McClung relieved B. Looper
- D. Uggla struck out looking
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uggla
Struck out looking at three pitches, mind you.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seth's pitches
Are just so pretty to watch?
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I don't even know.
Not Coffey is my hero right now
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prince, no more wide turns for you
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 3, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he takes turns any sharper
he’ll jack knife on the basepath.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can't help it...
everything he does is wide =(
by CheezeconQueso on Jun 3, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is starting to feel like a cricket game
by keephopealive on Jun 3, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cricket?
You gotta know what a crumpet is to play cricket!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now i want pizza
Heroes in a half shell =(
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to put too fine a point on it
But Hall batting here is absurd.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Un-fucking-believable
That was a Yosting.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel must wonder what he did wrong
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He let Looper commit an error...
… oh wait… I mean, he let Looper let a guy get a hit.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unsurprising
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JJ still can't hit in TBall
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 3, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Macha thought:
What we really need now is a guy willing to get himself out.
“Hey Bill!”
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
color me unsurprised!
this is worse than an m. night shamalan movie.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Intentionally walking Kendall...
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 3, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
pitch yo seth
makes sense to me
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's hitting .208
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
obviously it worked
but it’s also risky… Mcclung could have hit it out… Kendal, not so much
by keephopealive on Jun 3, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
need seth to stay in
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanity reigns in the Marlins press box
Sanches reached on an error, finally.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did they change Braun's grounder to a hit?
If not, why are any of those runs earned? Hardy’s out would have been the third.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It "resets" when a reliever enters
Even though there “should have been” two out, Penn entered the game with one out so he had to get two would-be outs before runs could become unearned.
Sorry that sounds so confusing.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, duh
I forgot that West was still in at the beginning of that monstrosity. Thanks.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it gets really confusing though
Team unearned runs become involved and so on.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and an out....
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 3, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5th inning officially lasted 51 minutes
for those of you keeping score at home
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 3, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's the only reason I get to watch this much of the game!
I was honestly expecting to come in just in time for a hopeful Trevor Time and untucking if I was lucky, not to come in to catch the sixth
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just making sure the fans get their moneys worth
or their eyefuls worth of mermaids.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are you a writer?
cause you come up with some very nice lines
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no actually
just a heavy drinker. but thanks!
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same thing :)
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's up with these horrible text questions to the broadcast?
What makes a relief pitcher unavailable? Are these Joe Morgan chat questions?
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
theyre sent in by the same people
who try to sit in seats that aren’t theres in the first inning, start the wave during a rally, stand up as soon as the pitcher gets into his stretch and other totally cluless behavior
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always sit in seats that aren't mine to begin the game
I don’t see what the big deal about that is. It’s not like I put up a fight when told to leave. If whole sections didn’t wait until the third inning to arrive, it would be even less of a problem.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ug, I just think it's rude
I have no problem with moving seats, but just think you should wait an inning or two. Just my personal thoughts
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get the 3rd inning arrivals...
… or the 7th inning departures. Half of our section cleared out in the 7th on Sunday, and it was a great game. They missed Hoffman!
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Sunday some guys showed up next to us in the third and were gone by the fifth
I also really like the people that leave with two outs in the 9th, as though that start will somehow help them
Plus, it’s never taken me more than 15 minutes to get out of MP, so I’m not sure why you’d leave early anyway
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I got booed by my family for refusing to participate in the wave on Sunday.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should have come up with a crazy and ignorant-sounding reason
Like it originated as the Mexican wave so you’re afraid you’ll catch the swine flu by participating.
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, I see this happening in the Terrace Reserved
which is just ridiculous.
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This pisses me off like no other.
Do it in between innings or something. They did it in the eighth down about 2 of the only game I was at this year.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on Jun 3, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a 1 2 3 inning?
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I had forgotten what they looked like
Aside from innings consisting of Hall and Kendall, of course
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClung for 5th starter?
Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
by dishingoutdimes on Jun 3, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm for it
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I give it a thumbs up
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of me loves the idea
The other part of me is happy that both red-beard and red-vandyke are waiting in the wings for when the starters get into trouble. Guess if Burns can fill one of those roles I’d be all for Seth in for Manny and Manny taking the “since we’re safe… guess you can pitch” role that Julio had been filling
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
… but the value of the relievers is diminished if our starters are giving up 5+ a game.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my only problem with that is i don't see the upside to our bullpen.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hinges on Burns
With Manny as a last resort?
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From TH's twitter
They just announced the attendance at Land Shark Stadium as 13,012, which also happened to be the number of pitches thrown in 5th inning.
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 8:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
his twitter is rapidly becoming one of my favorites
by MKEtotheATX on Jun 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just started to follow him
based on that recommendation
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haudricourt
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to start following TH...
… maybe I won’t hate him as much then.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i find him hilarious
i dont think hes trying to be funny, which makes it even better
by MKEtotheATX on Jun 3, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, feeling ignorant...
…but who is TH?
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's much more palatable when he can't fit being cranky into 140 characters
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braves and Cubs 2-2 going into the bottom of the 9th
Atlanta had a close shave in the top:
- D. Lee singled to left
- M. Fontenot popped bunt out to pitcher
- R. Johnson flied out to center
- J. Fox hit by pitch, D. Lee to second
- G. Soto walked, D. Lee to third, J. Fox to second
- B. Scales grounded into fielder’s choice, J. Fox out at third, G. Soto to second
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More phenomenal baserunning
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That sucked...
… but I love the price is right sound after he was called out.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
to get your Bill Hall spayed or neutered.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
haha rec'd
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need, since he's rarely in a position to score
Even though his offense seems neutered already every time he faces righties
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit!
I am getting so tired of Braun getting picked off! What is that, the third time this year?
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Second, I guess
Ties Emilio Bonifacio for the NL lead
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'll be a good sport
And say that I don’t mind Bonifacio taking that record back before this series is over
by pharom on Jun 3, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm probably just being hyper-critical...
… but I’ve seen a lot of subpar baseball out of Braun lately.
Maybe it’s just subpar for him.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no - its not just you
The baserunning mistakes with Prince at-bat are just inexcusable
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was out late last night promoting Remetee shirts
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was a crappy play
But he did have the biggest hit of the game.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
And I missed it, so it didn’t change my feeling about his play lately.
And he had that nice hit and run play on Sunday.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking of 2010...
… anyone think Hart makes that play in CF? Anyone?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 8:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
But I don’t think they’ll move him
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but Cameron will
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too
If we don’t fall apart and are in the playoff hunt, I’m thinking Doug will overpay to resign Cameron.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
I understand his age and possible decline in play but I do feel he’s a leader in that clubhouse. Afterall, he started the untucking and I think he adds to that swagger (aside from Braun). Whether that move is financially smart, is questionable, but I’d like to see it done.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I smell a major trade in the offseason to get a pitcher
The uncertainty that adds is enough to keep me from outright predicting what you just did, but I agree, that seems like a very Melviny move.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Hart rebuilds his value
and we find a sucker?
by Braun Holio on Jun 3, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably too much to hope for.
But it would be nice. If we wait beyond this offseason on Prince, his trade value starts to diminish in my opinion. But I would think, barring a disaster with Escobar this summer, Hardy won’t be a Brewer in 2010.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't even say that
Prince is a huge part of this team and it will be a very bad day when he leaves- especially now that he can actually play defense
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Error totals aside
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Er...
Prince’s fielding has been as terrible as ever this year.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well it doesn't seem like that
either way, I say hold on to Prince as long as possible
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would not be for very long
He is a big man.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to me the choice is to deal him or let him walk when he's FA eligible.
If getting a pitcher is the goal, Prince is the best bait we have, aside from Braun, and we all know Braun isn’t going anywhere. The only other possibility in my opinion is Hardy, but I’m not sure he’ll draw as much in exchange.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hardy is a huge trade chit
Plus defensive shortstop with power?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d think Hardy has equal interest in the AL and NL. Prince would be a major score in the AL yet may fetch less in the NL.
I’d assume it all comes down to if Brewers think Escobar can hit major pitching.
by SgtClueLs on Jun 3, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're a trade chit.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on Jun 3, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit being such a chithead
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 4, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes me wonder what a package of Fielder/Hardy would net
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a losing season the next year
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Jun 3, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
… the willingness to trade Prince probably hinges in part on Gamel’s performance this season. There really isn’t a possible replacement for Prince’s bat in the system right now aside from Gamel, and that’s a pretty big if.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if that's true
I still can’t see Prince staying in Milwaukee a minute longer than he has to. If that’s the case, and you can get more than a couple of draft picks…
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It’s sad, but true.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to overpay a guy who has been worth almost three wins
Through May.
by Braun Holio on Jun 3, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll find a way
A Suppan-esque contract into his 40s.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet very easy to overpay for a to-be 37-year-old
Especially if you’re counting on him continuing to provide premium defense as a large part of his value.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
i still think he’ll come cheap.
Anyone who commands a melky package at best is generally unappreciated.
by Braun Holio on Jun 3, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he strikes out too much
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great double play!
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, do it for the land of the free
and the home of the Braves. God, I hated those promos. Hey, I just got here, did I miss anything?
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure is sad the Cubs are missing their pitching pinch-hitter for these extra-inning games
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the thing about him missing the team flight to Atlanta?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking that
Maybe Macha is desperate to give Hall every chance to redeem himself, as otherwise he’s just a really expensive shortstop.
At his salary, maybe he’s too big to fail. :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Economy joke
in a game thread? Nice.
by BrewKitty on Jun 3, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I needed was an Oof at the end
And I could be Rambling Roguejim.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary thought
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My hubby's
an economist. He’d appreciate it.
by BrewKitty on Jun 3, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hall continues to make the argument for us
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
***star, are you around to write the recap?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can provide it for you.
[score] Ugliest series ever continues. Fans struggle to pay attention.
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the photo is just the hindenberg.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
I suppose – You couldn’t have given me some more notice?!
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about it, then
I’ll do it.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do it
I was just harassing you
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have to take it!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I deserve it for butchering your nickname
“***star” doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TH tweeting stolen jokes:
If Randy Johnson wins his 300th game and nobody is left to see it or report it, does it count?
by MKEtotheATX on Jun 3, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Randy Johnson
is my favorite player, ever.
by BrewKitty on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Shit how was far that?
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't think it was possible...
… to score 9 runs and still feel like your offense is struggling…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm really starting to dislike this Uggla guy
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This series just gives me 1 more reason to hate Florida.
Fucking banana republic.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha love the fan walking to get the ball
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Marlins baseball!
Every fan in attendance is garaunteed a foul ball.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Legionairres Disease...
… what with all the humidity.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've watched three graduate level lectures on legionella
i am frightened of cooling towers and veterans.
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I used to have to work in, above and around a cooling tower. Scared the shit out of me. I used to check the seals on my mask like I had OCD.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were merely
obssessively compulsively concerned about dying
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
I decided to quit and go to college when a guy I worked with was killed in a boiler explosion. That and the fly-ash was giving me asthma.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Industrial disease?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doctor Parkinson declared, “I’m not surprised to see you here,
You’ve got smokers cough from smoking, Brewers’ Droop from drinking beer.”
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also crabs (left from the last fan to use the seat)
in 2002
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised they survived...
…the devestating Florida winters
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seth McClung, Trevor Hoffman, and the quest for 600
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, this game
Has been a 12-part miniseries
by Et tu Brewte on Jun 3, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're showing good adaptibility in the wake of Hoolio's release
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 3, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please, Please, Please
just get to the ninth inning and give the ball to Trevor
by WI 2 VA on Jun 3, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Uggla had done that last AB
it would be a tie game
by DukeMarkell on Jun 3, 2009 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing. That would've been
Hindenberg-ish
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs & Braves in extra's again.
I really appreciate the Cubs wearing out the Braves bullpen.
by Legend54321 on Jun 3, 2009 9:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side...
If the Cubs blow it in the bottom half, Len Kasper will have to amend last night’s proclamation that it was the worst loss of the year.
by Et tu Brewte on Jun 3, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where can I quickly find Looper's pitch counts by inning tonight?
Kthx
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 9:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The answer is 45
If you’re looking for the fifth.
by Et tu Brewte on Jun 3, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
18, 13, 14, 11, 45
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deleted scene from Rain Man
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counted it quickly
I don’t know if you can find it anywhere easily online
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by TheJay on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
42
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No that’s the answer to Life the Universe and everything.
by SgtClueLs on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Hoffman,
please restore order to the proceedings.
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Corey even try there?
Looked like he really just wanted to get to Trevor Time and end the maddness
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why throw him a strike
when he’ll swing at a ball?
It seems like his plate discipline has gotten worse over the course of the season.
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will never forget that 3 pitch K late last season
low. Lower.
Lowest.
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah yes, but...
Wasn’t Braun next to the plate?
by Et tu Brewte on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you mean the one
in the last game of last year? Bases loaded?
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the one I think of
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a game where we scored 6 in an inning
mostly on walks, we need trevor?
sigh.
by PagsBrewCrew on Jun 3, 2009 9:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Friggin' FSN (or Time Warner):
BA and Rock sound like Max Headroom on my TV right now….
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McGehee...
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ross Gload
that name makes me laugh
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We love you Trevor
oh yes, we do!
We love you Trevor
so please, pitch true!
When you throw strike-outs
Cubs boo!
Oh Trevor, we love you!
boooonnnnnnggggg
by BrewKitty on Jun 3, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I definately thought you took a bong rip after that
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, a little Bye Bye Birdie
never hurt anyone.
Besides, I blame the husband working overnights this week while I’m pregnant and dealing with a toddler.
by BrewKitty on Jun 3, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Liked her better in
Grumpy Old Men, to be honest
by BrewKitty on Jun 3, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love this one
Conrad is one of my favorite characters!
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Jun 3, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice! I recall that Beatles tribute
from my days in the Bay Area (KFOG). Where’d you hear it?
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When does ARam come back?
I’m very unhappy that they’ve been hanging around 5 games back.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, St. Louis is losing though.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jun 3, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And finally it's over and we win
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jun 3, 2009 9:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness!!
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Trevor
and Seth too
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Victory for Seth?
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally.
Let’s get the split tomorrow and get the hell out of Florida.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and go to Atlanta
and listed to that damn Tomahawk Chop after every Braves hit, walk, run, put-out…
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have I mentioned that Trevor Hoffman is the greatest baseball player in the universe?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jun 3, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
knock on wood
Something about Hoffman’s season reminds me of Doug Jones amazing season in 1998. He’s got nothing, but it’s effective
by keephopealive on Jun 3, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crazy eyes killa
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 3, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
give me a couple on the post game thread - almost done!
by tristarscoop on Jun 3, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
after a 3 and a half hour 9 inning game
we can give you a few more minutes!
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
by molitorfan on Jun 3, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it might be june
but the brewers still have plenty of winter grime and grit to wipe off
by sowingwildoats on Jun 3, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, it' just Florida stupidity rubbing off on 'em
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Marlins' defensive deficiencies
have rubbed off on the Crew too
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jun 3, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they'll send the clubhouse guy out for
25 bottles of RID tonight and all will be well
by lawlackey on Jun 3, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one last one to cap off the night
trevor hoffman rocks
good to see consistency
all star game perhaps?
by sicklebeat on Jun 3, 2009 9:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Hoffman doesn't play in the All Star game...
… there shouldn’t be one.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 3, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
St. Louis
|
91 | 71 | .561 | 0 | Lost 6 |
|
Chicago
|
83 | 78 | .515 | 7.5 | Lost 1 |
|
Milwaukee
|
80 | 82 | .493 | 11 | Won 3 |
|
Cincinnati
|
78 | 84 | .481 | 13 | Won 2 |
|
Houston
|
74 | 88 | .456 | 17 | Lost 3 |
|
Pittsburgh
|
62 | 99 | .385 | 28.5 | Lost 2 |
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