Braves 8, Brewers 7
by battlekow on Jun 7, 2009 3:26 PM CDT
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PrintW: Eric O'Flaherty (1-0)
L: Carlos Villanueva (2-4)
S: Mike Gonzalez (8)
MVP: Ryan Braun (+.378)
LVP: Carlos Villanueva (-.660)
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Tommy Hanson came out firing in his major league debut, striking out the side in the second and retiring the first ten batters he faced. Meanwhile, Mike Cameron looked out of it in the first inning, getting a bad jump on a Yunel Escobar single and misplaying Chipper Jones' RBI triple. Manny Parra pitched well to everyone not named Chipper Jones, though a two-out walk to Nate McLouth in the fifth didn't help.
Each time Chipper Jones pushed the Braves in front, Ryan Braun was there to answer back. His two-run home run in the fourth, the first hit allowed by Hanson, tied the game. Manny Parra doubled in a run in the fifth to give the Crew a 3-2 lead, but Chipper Jones put the Braves up 5-3 in the bottom half of the inning. Braun answered back in the sixth, tying the game only moments before Mike Cameron put the Crew up 7-5 with a home run of his own.
Parra couldn't make it through the sixth, leaving two on with two out but Mitch Stetter got a ground out to end the inning. Stetter and Coffey combined to keep the Braves scoreless in the 7th. Carlos Villanueva, pitching for a third straight day, gave up three runs on four hits and a walk in the eighth while Seth McClung, Chris Smith, and Mike Burns watched.
Casey McGehee led off the 9th by working a walk. For the second time this week, Ken Macha chose not to play for a tie on the road, letting Kendall swing away in a bunt situation. A hard-hit grounder to first resulted in a double play. Mike Rivera was hit in the foot by a pitch and stole second base but Craig Counsell struck out to end the game. The Brewers return to Miller Park having gone 3-4 on the road trip.
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I'll let someone who actually watched the game write the recap if they feel like it
The autotagger fucked up a simple img tag, too.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Parra 2009 = Capuano 2007
You just know that we’re going to lose when the lefty takes the mound. Somehow, someway, we’re going to lose.
I wonder if
KenMachaSucksAss.com is still available?
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
This is really annoying to me
yeah, he should’ve probably gone to Clung or Smith, but this would rank about 20th on a list of common Yostings in a year. Bitch about it, ok, but spare me of about 20 comments saying that Macha sucks. He’s been pretty damn good managing the bullpen.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on Jun 7, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Can someone please explain to me Macha's thought process the last 2 innings
Using Villaneuva 3 nights in a row to allow Braves hitters to know his stuff and be familar with him when you have others in the pen.
And for the second time in a week leadoff baserunner in the 9th that we do not bunt over and instead give up a DP
Honestly you might blame Parra a little but this is all on Macha for me
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Jun 7, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't think anybody's blaming Manny
Dear Mr. Fleischmann,
Your vodka is exquisite.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jun 7, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not want to hear the you play for win on the road bs either
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
he's the setup man
no one would be complaining if we used hoffman 3 nights in a row in save opportunities, in fact we did it against the marlins earlier this year. its about consistency. carlos did not do his job, thats not on macha. yes we had bullpen options available, but an inch here or there on that bunt single and escobar line drive and we’re not having this discussion at all. I’m fine with using him for a 3rd day, i’m not fine with how he performed. he’s obviously got work to do.
secondly, jason kendall cannot bunt, nor can he hit in clutch situations.
I'm with this general argument
But let’s not get into things like “an inch here or there on that…line drive”. Giving up line drives off his breaking stuff was the problem.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
He definitely should've been quicker to activate the bullpen when he was struggling
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
oh he definitely looked fatigued
im not arguing that, im just saying to call macha out on putting villanueva in there is a little bit picky. he was put out there to do his job, and didnt do it.
Cubs/Reds 3-3 in the bottom of the 10th
Leadoff bloop double for the Reds.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Nix, natch
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Rockies got 4 in the 8th so far
7-2 over the Cards.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
the rockies
are absolutely lighting up the cards this series
::Personally, I think we got hosed on that call:: Uecker
Lets hope they forget how to hit when they get to Miller Park
But a Cards and Cubs loss would take the sting out of what Macha did to us today
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
Sorry
I forgot to rec the game thread today.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
scary when Dusty has a better handle than our manager
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
I'm surprised Nix didn't go there
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
what
is he waYting for?
"He had some firsts," said Brewers manager Ken Macha. "His first homer, his first Major League start, his first error and my first gray hair."
Crew cannot seem to break through the 10 games over .500 ceiling lately
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
i like that that is the ceiling thats hard to break
::Personally, I think we got hosed on that call:: Uecker
Tommy B. is great
“And a check swing on a ball 3 feet outside”
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
I'm pretty sure your chances of scoring at least one run...
…do not increase at all w/ a runner on 2nd and 1 out as compared to a runner on 1st and nobody out. Coupled with the fact that your overall run expectancy is lower.
Researching currently, but I think bunting is objectively wrong in that spot.
That's in general, though
You have to take Kendall’s horrible batting average into account, but also the chances of McGehee making it to third on a hit, etc.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
True, nobody has done a "run frequency matrix when Jason Kendall is at bat"...
…but I’m pretty sure it would look something like this:
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
.000 .000 .000 .000 .000 .000
…and so on.
Here’s a link to the actual, non-Kendall-adjusted run frequency matrix if anyone is curious whether teams actually score more often with a runner on first and nobody out or a runner on second and one out:
http://www.tangotiger.net/RE9902score.html
From 99-02, teams scored at least one run 3.1% less often in the latter situation. That may have changed a little in the slightly lower run environment we have today.
The bigger problem was that there wasn't anyone left to pinch-hit for Kendall
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Wait, was Gerut in the nine-hole there?
You probably don’t want him hitting… I guess he could’ve gone Rivera for Kendall and then Gerut.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Lefty though
I don’t know. As much as Kendall sucks, I can kinda see why he’d let him bat over Catalanotto.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Yovani! :)
But yeah, I can see why he’d leave Kendall in, too.
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Yeah, I was looking up the remaining bench during Counsell's at-bat...
not a great situation to have only Catalanotto left at that point, but what can you do.
Yeah
Facing a lefty closer with a lefty-heavy bench, there wasn’t much to do. The fact that Rivera got in speaks volumes.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Yeah, Rivera pinch hit for Gerut
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
That is one ugly WE graph
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
Oops, forgot to post the final one
Thanks for reminding me.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
mmmkay
im outta here. god damn chipper jones. have a great rest of the weekend, everyone.
::Personally, I think we got hosed on that call:: Uecker
Villanueva was pitching for the third straight day
Having thrown only eleven pitches Friday and ten yesterday. He also had not faced Prado or Johnson, the first two hitters in the 8th, in the series.
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There's the "rules"
After two straight days, you’re supposed to get a day off, or something.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
It's official
Cardinals lose 7 – 2
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
one last note
using kendall to bunt the runner over still requires someone to get a hit, especially after rivera got hbp. there’s still the dp opportunity after that. best case scenario, all things going the same, hardy is up with 2 outs and runners on 1st and second
Plus...
… assuming that Rivera still gets drilled, or if not, then drawing the IBB, you’re back in the dp situation anyway.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 7, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Especially when coupled with the 11 dragging innings they played yesterday
Someone do something, please.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Fisher putting the Cubs' hopes six feet under for another inning.
Wait, stretched-out allusions maybe weren’t the “something” you were thinking of…
Go Reds, damnit!
It's great that we're unanimously cheering for the team that's closer to us in the division race
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
You love the game, but don't cheer for any team
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 7, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not that bad of a loss really
The Cardinals lost too, and Villanueva had been perfect for his last however many appearances, so you can’t really get angry at him either.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
bunting
Bunting doesn’t increase your odds of scoring in that situation, even with Kendall. The general rule is you need to be lower than an .282 OBP and/or .322 SLG to make it worth bunting to increase your odds of scoring 1 run. The criteria is much lower if you are playing for 2.
Basically Kendall is more likely to get on base than to ground into a double play and giving up an out to gain a base lowers your chances to score a run unless a double play is hit.
As for the pinch hitting in the 9th, the biggest issue I have is that Macha brought Hall into the game to bat 6th and Villanueva into the game as the 7th hitter who was due up first. If he had double switched we would have led off with Hall vs a LH closer and then had McGehee available to PH for someone else.
Have you seen Kendall's line?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Yes I have
Even with Kendall’s line it is a mistake. Playing for the tie on the road is a mistake in general as well so we weren’t technically playing for 1. Bunting for anyone but a pitcher is almost always the wrong move unless the bunter is capable of getting a hit out of it on a somewhat regular basis.
Kendall is hitting .216/.307/.265
The general rule is you need to be lower than an .282 OBP and/or .322 SLG
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Kendall is hitting .207/.351/.310 vs LHP
Of course the sample is ridiculously small for both sets of stats and you would be better off assuming he’ll hit around last years stats than using either. But again that stat you quoted was playing for 1 and that isn’t the smartest move on the road. If you aren’t specifically playing for 1 the thresholds are like .180 OBP and .280 SLG or something silly like that.
But you're arguing against people who are saying Kendall should have bunted/we should have played for one run
Even the LHP split you quoted has him meeting your slugging criterion.
Also, I think expecting Kendall to regress to some higher performance level here is fantasy. The guy is a 35-year-old catcher with a million miles on him. He’s toast, offensively.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
What do you spread on offensive toast?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 7, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Defensive hyperbole
You heap it on, in fact.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Jun 7, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I have no idea why he double switched in Stetter in the sixth
to face Escobar as a righty? That was some overmanaging.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Rosales again
For the third time in two days.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
...and fails for the third time
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Didn't Rosales hit the game-winner last night?
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He was batting when it happened
But all he did was hit a chopper to third.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Tommy B sound ready to put whole Reds team against the wall
I love his rants against his own team
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
And we go to the bottom of the 13th
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Patton in to slap the Reds offense into shape
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Soriano beat him to it
Sigh.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
So I guess this one's probably over
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Starter Chad Gaudin in to pitch the 16th inning for the Padres on one day's rest
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
well there's my drop of the week
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
You see the game log for the bottom of the 9th?
- J. Gutierrez relieved T. Pena
- A. Gonzalez doubled to center
- C. Headley singled to left, A. Gonzalez scored
- B. Giles walked, C. Headley to second
- K. Kouzmanoff flied out to deep center, C. Headley to third
- C. Qualls relieved J. Gutierrez
- N. Hundley singled to third, C. Headley scored, B. Giles to second
- C. Burke grounded into fielder’s choice, B. Giles to third, N. Hundley out at second
- D. Eckstein hit for L. Perdomo
- D. Eckstein homered to deep left, B. Giles and C. Burke scored
- T. Gwynn grounded out to second
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
IF Josh Wilson is now pitching for the Padres
He previously pitched this year…for the Diamondbacks, the team he’s facing today.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
He also pitched for Tampa Bay in 2007
I smell a Recondite Baseball post.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
And he gives up the first earned runs of his career
At least he can tell his kids “I didn’t give up a run until I was on my third team!”
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Padres' Josh Wilson moved from SS to the mound for the 18th...
Backup catcher Henry Blanco at third base, oh my.
What's the record for the most players to appear in one game?
42 by my count already in this ARI/SD game
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
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