Draft Open Thread
by battlekow on Jun 9, 2009 2:00 PM CDT
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PrintAll the major names have new mock drafts today: Baseball America ties the Brewers to prep third baseman Matt Davidson, Baseball Prospectus says they'll take Stanford reliever Drew Storen, and Jonathan Mayo predicts New Jersey high school outfielder Mike Trout. Though I'm not an Insider, Keith Law apparently has the Brewers taking Notre Dame outfielder A.J. Pollock. If you're wondering who any of those guys are, head over to mlb.com's Draft Reports page, where you can watch video of and read scouting reports on all the top prospects.
The biggest news breaking today is a lot of the top high school prospects want more money than anyone thought--a lot more, in some cases. Tyler Matzek, who was considered to be the "signable" prep lefty, compared to Matt Purke, now apparently wants "precedent-setting" money, aka $7M+. Shelby Miller, one of the top prep righties, was supposed to be signable for slot money but now wants $4M. Four of the top high school bats, including Trout, want at least $2M. Some of these guys are going to fall hard.
On a related note, it sounds like the Pirates are heavily considering drafting Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez with the fourth overall pick. Sanchez is seen as more of a late-first round or supplemental round talent; the Pirates would be drafting him to save money, either for later in the draft or Dominican uber-prospect Miguel Angel Sano, though they've denied that they'll be frugal in the draft fund international signings. After the McLouth trade, I have to think that a signability pick like Sanchez (hi, Mr. Moskos!) would go over like a flock of lead balloons with the Pittsburgh public.
The Brewers' first pick will probably come right around the time the game is getting underway, so feel free to discuss the draft in the game thread or here. Other great (free) places to discuss/research the draft are John Sickels' Minor League Ball and Andy Seiler's blog.
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signing bonuses
A high school player asking for a precedent signing bonus in this economy is ludicrous. If major league ready free agents are not getting nearly the money they want, even when it’s less than some of these players are asking for, I think these players might be in for a surprise. However, I wonder if we’ll see an increased number of players not sign in hopes of getting larger bonuses in a better economy, next year.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
The high school thing blows my mind.
The fact that they are basing these demands off of their performance in high school is just crazy. I don’t know any other profession where you can make million dollar signing bonuses off of what you’ve done in high school, sans maybe a very select few nba players.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Jun 9, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
not even NBA players anymore
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
It's still less than they'd be getting as free agents
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Onely 1 Kid
There is probably only 1 HS player that is worth Porcello type money and that is Matzek. The rest are all trying to cash in in a bad market.
This is the first time in a while where slot is probably better than what the market can bear.
Look for the Yankees and Red Sox to capitalize (again) on a HS kid dropping because of signability.
If the Crew was willing to pay up big for CC last year it shouldnt be too much to expect that they could pay over slot for one of theese players.
I would be a little perturbed if the Brewers would pass on a guy like Matt Purke to sign another bat, when the system is pretty weak in pitching.
Keith Law reported that the Brewers tried to negotiate with one of the high-bonus prep kids for an over-slot deal but were turned down
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
colbyjack thinks it was Jacob Turner
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
so...given the economy
why wouldn’t they go to college for a few years
assume the economy improves
then sign in a better economy where they’re making more money flat out
why tie themselves to 2009 dollars?
$2M today > $3M four years from now
When you factor in the risk of injury or college-level suckitude.
Sanchez has apparently agreed to a deal with the Pirates, so he's set at #4
Can’t wait to see the reaction to that one.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
interesting
I don’t know a ton about the draft, but isn’t Sanchez rated quite a bit lower than #4? I’m assuming they are just doing that to save money, or what is the motivation there?
I always forget that Pujols was drafted in the 13th round. Crazy.
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Beane's mystique has faded a bit
Perhaps because other teams are getting better at making the same kind of evaluations, so that the “undervalued” players he used to draft (and hey, they didn’t necessarily work out, either) are no longer undervalued, and he can’t get them on the cheap.
I think the A's took Swisher in the first round, and the pick was in the teens
and I remember Moneyball discussing Beane drafting a player in that 2002 draft everyone was low on because his weight was a lot larger than scouts liked, but he could flat out hit… but it wasnt Prince… Jeremy Brown the catcher
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
But here is a quote from wikipedia in the book Moneyball
“Other Players Named:
Prince Fielder* – Son of former slugger Cecil Fielder, drafted that year by the Milwaukee Brewers. Claimed by Beane to be “too fat” even for the A’s. In 2007, he became the youngest player ever to hit 50 HRs in a single season, as well as the first player ever to join his father in the feat. "
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
BA says Storen is set to go to the Nats at #10
So that eliminates him.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Draft show set = awkward
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Shocking!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I like how they
hit the applause sign a good 20-30 seconds after Bud announced the pick.
Damn, was hoping he would fall to the Brewers!
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
According to BA
Sounds like a lot of the top ten has fallen into place.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Matt Hobgood @ #5
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Ackley goes, as expected
Now it gets interesting.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I hope he likes pitching in middle relief
[and I hope you like this joke as much as I do. you’ll hear it again.]
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by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
darnit
I figured it was pretty obvious, but I was hoping I’d have it to myself.
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by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Tate will cost $6M
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Fire away, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Come on, I want some anarchy
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Anarchy is Matt Hobgoblin's middle name
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Foolish Consistency went a pick before Hobgoblin
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
As predicted, the Giants steal the guys the Braves wanted
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
We could still get Tim
That wouldn’t be too surprising.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Supposedly the Braves are set to take Mike Minor now
A guy with #3-starter upside. At least the Pirates won’t be the only ones getting blasted.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Yep
The best pitcher went first, but probably the next 5+ best pitchers are still on the board.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
any chance the brewers get one?
I heard the Tigers already agreed to terms with the top one on the board
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
I don't know, honestly
The Brewers never go over slot, historically, but they apparently tried to negotiate an over-slot deal with one of the players earlier today.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Jacob Turner- is he a top 5 pitcher on the board?
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
This is basically propaganda
They’re skirting around the fact that none of these guys deserve to be drafted where they were taken.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Purists don't like to admit that baseball is first and foremost a business
No point in drafting someone you can’t sign.
Dick Pole & Leake
There’s a match.
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Finally, someone with some balls
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I'm sure this is obvious to those in the know
But how do the Nationals have picks #1 and #10?
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Didn't sign their first round pick last year
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Aaaaand Mayo continues to disseminate the bullshit
“All along, Storen was at the top of the list for them with the 10th pick, along with Chad Jenkins.”
Yeah—because he was cheap. This is embarrassing.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
This is the 10th pick. Wait until later in the first round when some team says the same thing.
“We feel very fortunate to get him this late. He was on the top of our board.”
whoever it is...
I just want to say that, whoever the Brewers take in the draft, I think we should immediately advocate trading the player who currently occupies that position in the lineup, so that the draftpick can be brought up to the 25 man roster ASAP!
I mean, what are we waiting for !?!
I sure hope we draft a catcher then
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Hey, maybe the Pirates just wanted a guy to fill in ’till Doumit gets back!
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Matzek finally goes
Crow, Scheppers, and Purke are the top arms left.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Matzek to the Rockies, even
The Monfort brothers (Rockies owners) are frugal. Good for them taking the best available player.
Crow grew up a Royals fan and went to Missouri
Hometown picks make me happy.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Looks like I missed my chance
“An avid marathon runner, Kusnierek qualified for the Boston Marathon this fall by running a 3:37:02 at the Lakefront Marathon in Milwaukee.”
I ran a 3:38 at the Lakefront Marathon in 2000. If I had run it again last fall, same time, I could have paced her the whole way….
hey, cool
I’m running my first marathon in september. Maybe I can get Trenni to run it with me :).
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
If Scheppers by some chance fell to 26, would you take him?
with last year’s shoulder injury still presenting a risk.
Someone on the Brewerfan boards had an excellent point
Lewis Yocum, a shoulder specialist, is the Angels team doctor and has examined Scheppers. The Angels have back-to-back picks immediately preceding the Brewers’, so if they don’t draft him, that’s a pretty big red flag.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
i'm hoping one of the arms makes it to us
Scheppers or Purke. i wouldn’t be shocked to see us overslot just because Melvin wants to send a message to Selig; he HATES the draft system
Rangers take Purke
A bit of a surprise.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
leaves fuentes available.
they were supposedly in on him, and he intrigues me, if only because i spent a semester in Puerto Rico and he’s beltran’s cousin
None of them are surprises, per se
In fact, the Minor pick was not surprising in the least, but it might be the biggest overdraft. That, or Sanchez. Hobgood is another one, yeah.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I've seen Sanchez anywhere from 4-26 on boards so that was interesting.
I thought Hobgood would be around for us…
Eric Arnett? James Paxton?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Oliver doesn't seem to have much of a breaking ball
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Paxton has plenty of power
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Lots of good pitchers off the board
Alex White gone now. If you take Scheppers and Gibson off the board because of injury, I think the best available player might be a position player.
Shelby Miller is another good pitcher
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Best high school bat off the board
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
better than Davidson?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I heard he's a Borcher at 3B
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Davidson probably has to move off it as well
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Really?
I think Mayo said he could stick at 3rd. I’ve never seem him myself, obviously. Any indication where Davidson would play if not at 3rd.
according to Goldstein
1st
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I've never seen him either, just what I've read
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
And I mean, they all /could/ stick at third
Braun made it to the big leagues as a 3B before being moved. Wallace is still there.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
It was originally 1 through 10
9 and 10 were retired in honor of Jackie Robinson, and 1 was retired in honor of Uecker.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
and kendall
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Surprisingly not to see AZ take an arm with one of those two picks
Good to get Pollock off the board so we aren’t tempted to take him, though.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
got a link?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
http://twitter.com/oaklandas
I’ve been enjoying the Billy Beane anecdotes
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
there's also an aggregate feed using #mlbdraft
which is published as part of the MLB draft tracker:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2009/draftcaster.jsp
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oooh, Miller to the Cardinals
Nice pick.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
not so sure
he’s only got one pitch, and no secondary stuff. It’s 97, but i think he’s destined to the pen
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
One pitch?
He’s supposed to have a good breaking ball and an okay changeup.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Maybe I overstated it a bit
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
yeah, I've got Goldstein up here...
The Bad: He’s more of a thrower than a pitcher right now, his curveball is inconsistent, and his changeup is rarely seen.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
are there very many high schoolers with consistent curveballs?
that’s a serious question, i really don’t know.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I looked at first too
But BA says:
Miller spins a solid curve that will be a plus pitch when he commands it more consistently. He has made strides with his changeup as well.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
since I don't have a subscription to BA
I’m stuck with pure Goldstein
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Anyway, Miller was better than the spot where he was picked
I like the pick for the Cards, if they fork out the $4M to sign him.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Can't disagree there
The A’s saw him throw 96 last week
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Brewers math:
97mph fastball = 1
good breaking ball = 1/2
okay changeup = -1/2
total = 1
Also, cheese.
i can't believe it.
reply fail.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Play Sackman off...
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
JSOnline put Max Stassi picture on the Brewers page today (maybe it was yesterday)
I wonder why.
Anyway, there’s a couple good catchers out there — Wil Myers, Stassi, Tommy Joseph
Another weird pick from the Astros
Mier might not hit at all.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I should've saved that Keyboard cat link for their pick
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
though according to the A's
he was the 2nd best SS after Grant Green
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I don't think the first round is the place to take a guy who's going to hit at the bottom of the lineup for you
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
strange with all these NL teams taking pitchers...
/slaps self
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jun 9, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
All part of Drayton McLane's master plan
if the team eventually sucks enough, people will start staying away, and he’ll get revenue sharing money!
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
BK, how many sites are you posting on?
Minorleagueball, BF.net, here …
Do you have more than one computer going? Seriously, I’m impressed.
Just me and my Macbook
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
more seriously
It’s way too early to tell how good last year’s draft was, but I’m surprised they haven’t looked better — their Scouting Dir is a former Brewers guy.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, maybe Andy Heck was the black sheep
Jason Castro has looked pretty good so far, though.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Bobby Heck
I do wonder about that. Obviously Blengino was the favored son.
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by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
as good as Justin Smoak?
who they passed on?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Hmm, I kept calling Bruce Seid "Andy" too
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Finally, Gibson goes
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
damn
I was hoping he’d fall… there’s always Sheppers
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Goldstein says they're on Grichuk too
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I think I want either Jared Mitchell or James Paxton
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Damn, Mitchell goes
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I'm ok with either of those 2
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I think Trout goes to the Angels
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
if he doesn't...
the crew would need to snatch him up
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I love Trout...
… in a lemon-pepper butter sauce.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 9, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Do they take FUentes?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I was referring to the Angles
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
The latter
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Damn
there goes Trout
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Trout to LAA
So that leaves Davidson, Arnett, Paxton…
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Well now its down to a pitcher or CF
Williams or Wheeler or Oliver or Arnett
Im hoping Williams or Oliver
Williams or Davidson for me
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Theres a chance
Davidson might be around at 39, probably not though.
If Gamel sticks theres no where for him to play
Do you really expect Gamel to stick?
or any 3B prospect to stick?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
E Williams
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Arnett
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
HERE WE GO
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Arnett
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Told ya :)
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
There's no way they drafted a guy in the first round to pitch in the bullpen
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Like that's a rare thing
It’s much weirder for a guy to have no breaking ball, like Oliver. The Brewers specialize in teaching changeups, anyway.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Or lots of other teams in any given year
It’s not a strategy the Brewers have ever followed, though, because they go by BPA, and that’s never a guy limited to the bullpen.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
so if he gets hurt
he becomes a starter?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
If he gets hurt, it's [injured pitcher] part 1000
Pitchers are risky. Dog bites man.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
from the MLB.Com Scouting Report
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Fastball: Arnett can now get the fastball up to 96 mph and it sits at 91-93 mph, a jump from the 88-91 he threw as a sophomore.
Fastball movement: There’s good sink to his fastball.
Slider: Throws it 78-84 mph. It’s inconsistent. When he stays on top of it, it’s a swing-and-miss pitch, but when he loses his slot, it flattens out.
Split: He had thrown a straight change in the past, but the school taught him a split and he throws that more now. It’s not effective and he might be better served going back to the changeup in the future.
Control: There’s room for improvement — he couldn’t throw strikes consiistently last year — but he’s generally around the plate now, and he’s not afraid to pitch to contact to induce ground balls early in counts.
Poise: He competes well on the mound, with a workhorse mentality; always wants to pitch deep into games.
Physical Description: Arnett has a Josh Johnson body type, with strong legs, broad shoulders and big, strong hands.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: Has the chance to work two legitimate out pitches in the fastball and slider. He’s generally around the strike zone at all times and doesn’t shy away from contact.
Weaknesses: He doesn’t always repeat his delivery and his release point, causing his breaking ball to be inconsistent. Outside of this season, he doesn’t have a track record of success. His pitch counts have been very high, which may cause some to worry about wear and tear.
Summary: One of the biggest late risers in the Draft class, Arnett is a big right-hander who put himself into first-round consideration with a breakout junior season. He’s got an above-average fastball and a slider that, while inconsistent, could be an out pitch as well. He struggles at times with his release point and arm angle, which hurts the effectiveness of the slider. He’s come a long way in a short time, and the lack of track record may make some pause, as will the high pitch counts he had late in the year. But if he can develop an effective offspeed pitch, he’s the kind of workhorse who could be a future No. 2 or 3 starter in the big leagues.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
sounds pretty good to me
i know it’s a dumb question but college pitchers typically make the majors faster, right?
yes
they are generally seen as lower-risk, lower-reward.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
you are right
it was a dumb question
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
dude
that was too easy
and it was funny too
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Arnett reactiosn
Goldstein:
Brewers take Eric Arnett at 26. Absolutely solid pick for the Brewers. He’s Harold Reynolds #2 pitcher on video, for whatever that’s worth. If he had a longer track record, he could have gone higher and this is a solid selection.
Bryan Smith:
I heard some tout Arnett for not having a lot of mileage on his arm, but he’s actually a player whose workload worries me quite a bit. Arnett pitched 66 innings his sophomore season, and jumped up to 108 this season. That wouldn’t be so bad by itself, but he threw 140 pitches against Purdue, then 128 against Northwestern, then sat out for the last weekend series of the year. He’s a great arm, but I’m doing a lot of medical work before I sign him.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Fuentes goes off the board
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
We should draft this Craig Counsell guy, he's a run-scrorer if I've ever seen one
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he's got nothing on Rickie
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
well done sir
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
So at 39 (assuming they are still there)
Davidson or Poythress?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Cubs on the clock
Do something dumb, guys.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Too lazy to switch threads
GAMEL!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Cubs tried to draft Gamel?
Haha, dummies
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Jackson goes before Wheeler
Dumb.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Of course, they're praising him
Too bad he can’t actually hit the baseball. “Great” pick for the Cubs.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
eh
it’s the draft. there are a million sources for balanced analysis. seems like a day where things should be kept positive, rather than knocking a 21-year-old on the best day of his life.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Couple of years from now...
… they’ll have a hair-do on there that’ll be more than happy to rip the 21 year olds. Not saying it’ll be right to do so, but it’ll come.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 9, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't doubt it.
I’ll like this better, for sure.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd rather see a little bit of honesty
Someone needs to point out that Tony Sanchez is not the fourth-best player in amateur baseball.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I'm not informed enough to say one way's better than the other.
But it seems, in theory at least, a little ridiculous to me to have someone on there criticizing picks when in even the best case scenario, none of these guys will be in the big leagues before 2010 at the earliest. (I know there are rare exceptions to that.) To me, criticism requires some degree of certainty, and I just don’t know how anyone can have enough certainty to criticize in the baseball draft.
The NFL, whom their clearly modeling this presentation on, is a lot different because most first rounders are expected to contribute from day one.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 9, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
They're criticizing the decision-making process
Just because you can’t divine the future in tea leaves doesn’t mean a consensus opinion from informed observes that it’s a massive overdraft isn’t meaningful. It deserves to be mentioned.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Big Z will teach him how to hit
First lesson: Gatorade machines
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Second lesson: Dodger Stadium dugout
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MLB's scouting video on Arnett
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Damn, Davidson's gone
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Didn't we get a ton last year?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
you are correct
I had forgotten about this one. 328.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, but....
… three of them are “Stupid Dog” and “I like Trout…”, and well, this comment, from me. Substantively, they should be deducted from the total.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 9, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
actually, for long threads, i’d say the substance : # of comments ratio is pretty high.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
There goes Paxton
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Yep
Wil Myers or Max Stassi would be nice here.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Ooh, a monkey wrench!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
That seems pretty stupid. If he goes back to school, they don't get a comp pick.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Don't know as much as the rest of you guys....
but given that fact, wouldn’t it make sense for the Brewers to go a little out of their comfort zone finacially to make sure they get him signed? They pretty much HAVE to sign him, right?
Suppan, who has seen his ERA rise from 4.12 in his final year in St. Louis to 4.62 in 2007 and 4.96 last year, isn't an option in fantasy leagues - Rotoworld
After the Crew lost out on Jemile Weeks last year
they committed to getting an equally distinctive first name in 2009.
Also, cheese.
MLB.com Summary:
The sophomore-eligible outfielder has not followed up on his strong freshman year, but he’s still going to gain a lot of interest as the spring wears on. A fireplug of an outfielder, he’s got above-average raw power, though he’s struggled to get to it this season. He’s currently playing center, but the prevailing thought is that he’s a left fielder in the future. Once moved to a corner, the bat and his power become that much more important. If a team feels this season is just a matter of him trying to do too much, they’ll bet on that bat pretty early.
Huh
I just realized that with the draft happening, the short-season leagues are starting very soon. The Minor League Notes are about to get bigger…
Also, cheese.
I can't wait for another doubleheader at all levels day!
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Brewers on the clock again
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Heckathorn
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Yeah, I like it and it was expected
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Not surprised at Heckathorn, but it's really surprising they went for Davis and not a prep hitter like Myers
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I like the name Heckathorn
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone hates Heckathorn's arm action
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Robert Stock just went, and as a catcher
I’m jealous. I wanted him as a pitcher. Everyone thought he’d go as one.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
So if you thought he might be available lower...
…could you say that his stock rose?
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Brewers are on the clock again, two picks in a row
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Max Walla
BA reporter that they worked him out recently. We’re out of my depth now as far as guys I know much about.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Cameron Garfield, a prep catcher, with the other pick
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
BA had Garfield ranked #78
In a banner year for prep catchers, Garfield stands out as one of the best pure defenders. At 6-feet and 190 pounds, Garfield is fit, strong and powerful. His pop times range from 1.85 to 1.90 seconds at showcase events, with one scout clocking a 1.78, and he has an above-average arm. Scouts’ primary worry is that Garfield shines at showcases and struggles in games. He often puts on eye-opening power exhibitions during batting practice, but he has trouble carrying those results into games. He has a breathtakingly quick bat, but he often pulls off the ball and opens his front side, pulling the ball hard but foul. Failure to track the pitch and let it get deep throws off his timing, though he will occasionally show the ability to stay back on the breaking ball. Doubts may exist about Garfield’s bat, but few doubts exist about his defense. His bat shows the promise of power, but he’ll need improvement to bring it up to big league average.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Hm, if they wanted a catcher why not go for Max Stassi?
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No idea
Except that maybe he’s asking for a lot of money? I guess Wil Myers is asking for $2M.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Yankees just went with a catcher too
Guess Stassi/Myers are asking waay too much if the Yankees won’t shell out for them
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Andy Seiler says Walla has been compared to Padres' on-base machine Jaff Decker
That doesn’t really fit with the HUGE POWER comments the guys on mlb.com were throwing around.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
So I'm really liking this Walla kid
He sounds like a prototypical Brewers pick:
A lot of exaggerations and rumors can get spread this time of year—and we weren’t present at the workout—but we’ve been told that during his workout in Anaheim, Walla was thrown 60 balls during a BP session and put 38 of them in the seats for home runs.It wouldn’t be the first time Walla’s dropped bombs during a BP session for scouts. Here’s part of what I wrote about Walla in my New Mexico writeup: Walla doesn’t have the size, speed or arm that make him stand out on a baseball field. Then he steps into the batter’s box and people stop what they’re doing to watch. Walla can flat-out hit. Drawing comparisons to Jaff Decker, a supplemental first-round pick last year, Walla is similar in that he’s 5-foot-11 and 195 pounds. Walla doesn’t have the arm strength that Decker displays, but he has a better body. He’s swam competitively since he was six years old and was part of his school’s relay team that broke two state records this year. He has a compact swing and consistently hits balls on the sweet spot. Swinging from the left side, Walla generates considerable power for his size. Between his junior year in Albuquerque and the summer showcase circuit, Walla hit 51 home runs. His coach said that at a workout for some scouts this spring, they wanted to see him take 25 swings with a metal bat and then 25 with wood. He hit 18 home runs with the metal, switched to wood and hit 18 more over the fence. He was also a standout pitcher for his team this year, leading them to a state championship, but his future is as a hitter.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
If he really wants to be like Jaff Decker
he should change his name to Maqs.
Parents these days…
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jun 9, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Lincoln Hamilton of Project Prospect after the Cubs drafted LeMahieu: “Cubs fail the draft.”
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Damn, there goes Chris Dominguez to the Giants
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Wil Myers finally goes to KC
They’re smart, getting him there, like they got Melville in the 4th round last year.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
He was in play in the top ten
He was asking for $2M, and I guess that was enough to drop him. If they sign him, great pick.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Last pick of the day
Josh Prince, SS from Princeton.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Draft Tracker says Tulane
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Andy Seiler doesn't like him
But if Fielder somehow married him, he would be Prince Prince, so there’s that…
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
BA had him rated as the #7 prospect in LA
No other comment.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Mostly on the strength of the Prince Prince possibility though
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by SRB on Jun 9, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
File this under 'Signs you're ridiculously nerdy'
My first thought after Prince was drafted: “Hey, cool—they really needed a shortshop out of college!”
My second thought: “Oh wait—that’s my OOTP team.”
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