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All the minor words are being used, like "tweak"

He might be able to pinch hit, but I’d guess he’s being held out so he can get the full two days to recover.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

you screwed yourself and you didnt even know it

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

You ruined this thread for me

Just like you ruined Kix

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

come on brew

to be a good team, you gotta beat the bad teams

by sdsowlsa on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

not like we havent killed them 18 of 19 times or anything...

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

With a bare minimum of two full innings left to play, this game is already 2:26 minutes long.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM CDT reply actions  

And cue the complaining about leaving Coffey in...

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions  

ive got no reason to complain otherwise.

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I prefer to bitch about everything

And if the move doesn’t work out, I can say: “See, I told you so.”

And if it does work out, I can say: “That was still dumb, but they got lucky.”

I’m versatile.

by Rubie Q on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

a$$

Coffee suX0rz. If I were Melvin, Id fire maka write now.

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you have to consider it.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

On field delay?

They always blackout the games with the streakers

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Nope

Argument.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there goes Gameday getting my hopes up again

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Someone asked earlier how Vazquez drew 20 walks?

Here you go.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Ahh, very good.

Batting eighth is good for your OBP, I guess.

by Rubie Q on Jul 22, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now THIS idea I don't like

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

And escape!

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't care, I stand by my argument, I don't think he should have been IBB'd

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Call be a traditionalist but I don't think you should intentionally walk a .241 hitter like ever

Seriously, what were the odds of getting that DP??

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand the argument against it

But this late in the game, giving up one run is almost as bad as giving up the big inning.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Almost being a key word here

We’ve scored 7 runs in 7 innings and I think we can do at least 1 more

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quality of reliever

Any runs score and your team is facing a closer in the 9th which means they essentially have 1 inning with a good chance to score. The relievers that the Brewers will face is going to be lower with a tie game than with a small deficit.

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

The stats pretty much never favor IBB in terms of average runs scored, but I’d be interested to see the stats on proportion of time at least 1 run scores. That would be more important situationally.

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

The expectancy of multiple runs goes up quite a bit but the odds of one run goes down a lot. Overall, the other team will score more runs but in a tie game it’s often the right call.

by kingcharlesxii on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

The odds of at least one run scoring barely move there...

http://www.tangotiger.net/RE9902score.html

2nd and 3rd with one out, you can expect to escape w/o damage 30.5% of the time. IBB a guy to load the bases and those odds jump a whopping 2.5% to 33%.

I’d base that decision on the matchups, every time. I’d rather have faced Vazquez/PH than PH/McCutchen.

But every once in a blue moon, it works as planned and you get a GIDP and look brilliant.

by Br@wndo on Jul 22, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

run scores otherwise

its risky but i think its the smarter move almost every time.

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

But still that was so damn sweet

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I love it

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Kind of wanted Stetter

Which goes to show how much luck there is to being a manager. Macha looks like a genius today. Pulling Suppan because he was ineffective, not for pitch count kept the game in reach. Keeping in Coffee, despite Stetter’s lefty-split. Does Coffee have a better ground out ratio than Stetter?

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

coffee

has the big sinker which results in a lot of groundballs. Playing for the K would have been fine too, but he was playing for the DP.

by badgermaniac on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure what the ratio is.

But Coffee is considered a ground-ball pitcher because of his sinker, Macha normally uses him in that spot anyway.

by Metagen on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lopez pinch hitting?

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think he's actually that hurt

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, if it's just a hamstring, and it's not a severe strain

Then standing at the plate and swinging shouldn’t be all that difficult. He might have needed a pinch runner if he got on, though, and appearances where no batting is required are the perfect use of Jody Gerut.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

takes the first pitch?...

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Ok let's hope Counsell reaches so we can get a big 9th

With Braun, Fielder, and MCGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Does anyone else realize we haven't one a series this month?

Unacceptable, I thought and still believe that the Felipe Lopez trade suggests Melvin’s willingness to make a playoff team but he is a fool if he believes that this is the team that will make it to October.

We have only four (6 if you want to count Cameron and Counsel) legitimate hitters on this team and a rotation that can count 2 nearly automatic losses (Suppan and 5th).

Mark this down now, if Hardy is still on this team past the trade deadline we WILL NOT make the playoffs. He needs to get traded to Seattle or where ever for a solid pitcher. I don’t see what Escobar can’t give that Hardy is giving right now and he brings much needed speed to the lineup.

While we need August to gain momentum without a better starting five we won’t be in it in late September anyways, Lopez suggests the commitment for success now but Melvin needs to finish the deal

Ring Out Ahoya!

by bleedbluegold03 on Jul 22, 2009 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

only two games back, man

and the office is working on a trade, im sure.

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Suppan is not an automatic loss

Still under-5 ERA…so he sucked today, but before that, it was closer to 4 than it was 5…that’s not so bad!!

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Today's game counts though.

Unless this is just a Bill Hall practice game.

by Metagen on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still don't understand

why we think teams will be falling all over each other to get JJ. Any team with any sense would insist on Escobar over JJ, right?

by Rubie Q on Jul 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Depends on what's coming back.

Escobar’s value is probably higher, but Hardy is still a pretty good defensive shortstop with high hitting upside and multiple years of control.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

we are considering rentals here

specifically Bedard or Washburn. A young player with above average to good potential is more than equal to a good / non elite pitcher for 10 starts

Ring Out Ahoya!

by bleedbluegold03 on Jul 22, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Brewers trade Hardy and the best pitcher they end up with is Washburn,

I’ll be as angry as Rubie was before, and two weeks later you’ll be ranting about how the Brewers need pitching again.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what do we do if this reaches the 10th??

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions  

?

Score a run in the 10th?

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ask Chris Smith if he can go.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Smith threw two innings Monday, but only 29 pitches.

I’m guessing they’d rather not use him, but probably can.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is exactly the decision they shouldn't have made.

Short bullpen, still multiple innings to go, and they burned up DiFelice for two batters? What happens if Stetter doesn’t get the lefty out here?

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Apparently Macha would rather have Stetter against a righty than DiFelice against a lefty.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

He's been pretty consistent on that

And he’s not shown any lost confidence in Villaneuva to speak of, so he’s probably comfortable putting him out there for the 10th assuming Hoffman will be there in the 9th in the case of a tie game.

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we'll see Smith before Villanueva.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

i hate this guy

plus his picture on gamecast is creeping me out

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Who? Doumit?

I always thought he looked like Ben Sheets’ evil, bearded twin brother.

by Rubie Q on Jul 22, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again I really don't agree with this

Walk the .235 guy to get to the .318 guy (with 3 hits??)

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

three singles vs

2hr

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Single is essentially as bad as an HR now though

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

This game is frustrating enough on this side

But the Pirate fans must feel like they’ve blown 20 chances to win this one.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

No kidding

Our half innings are taking like 7 pitches, they keep getting runners on 2nd and 3rd…yikes

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pirates have 12 hits and six walks

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who the K is Delwyn Young!

"I still consider myself the best third baseman in the league" -Bill Hall

by GoCrew on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM CDT reply actions  

So glad we got the day off tomorrow

With 2 starts of less than 4 innings…thank goodness

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

Just think where they’d be if Looper hadn’t pitched well last night.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bob fooled me.

Alright now we MUST bring him in. Suicide?

by SgtClueLs on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

RISP

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

YES CAMMY YES

please get to trevor time

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Struck out swinging

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

braun can be awfully unclutch sometimes

gotta change your swing with a man on third and less than two outs

by sdsowlsa on Jul 22, 2009 2:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Now this IBB i agree with

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

IBB at Prince

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Nah

You don’t want to help the go-ahead run get to 2nd.

by kingcharlesxii on Jul 22, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Err

Not go ahead, 2nd run. There’s already plenty of force opportunities.

by kingcharlesxii on Jul 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

sports at work?

thats waayyyy better than work at work!

::Another 95% plus FanGraphs win goes right down the fucking tubes:: Indians fan after Prince's Grand Salami

by Wizzyconsin on Jul 22, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions  

A Brewer win

Would make my job much less soul crushing.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is no joy in Mudville - mighty Casey has struck out.

"I still consider myself the best third baseman in the league" -Bill Hall

by GoCrew on Jul 22, 2009 2:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, hopefully you'll be here for extra innings.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

no...

hopefully he’ll be in the extra innings gamethread that will start then.

unless you don’t want him around you:P

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 22, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

free baseball

too bad I can’t watch it. Stupid fsn.

by theBrouhaha on Jul 22, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Frick

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh, you know the specs ;)

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 22, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait 'til next year.

"I still consider myself the best third baseman in the league" -Bill Hall

by GoCrew on Jul 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

What the hell is wrong with this team?

We are going through a stretch of easy as shit teams and seriously we can’t even win ONE damn series??

captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee

Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.

by JAMOOL on Jul 22, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Stretch of easy games where??

I was happy with a split against the reds.. Played like crap this series but were in position to win the series if braun extends his great game today.

by Flag Up on Jul 22, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

That doesn't happen often

Stetter homerun to a lefty. No team should give up that many homeruns. * sigh*

by ecocd on Jul 22, 2009 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Post game thread

is open.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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