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Mike Burns has had one bad outing in four Brewer appearances. Is that really that bad?

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Mike Burns has had one bad outing in four Brewer appearances. Is that really that bad?

Some things to read while waiting out your lag period.

So, as noted in this FanShot, Ryan Braun called out the front office yesterday regarding the current situation with the Brewer rotation, highlighted by poor starts by Seth McClung and Mike Burns over the weekend. I understand the anxiety, but let's take a step back and look at the bigger picture:
  • Yovani Gallardo, Jeff Suppan and Braden Looper all pitched well in their most recent trip through the rotation, allowing a combined four runs in three starts. Gallardo is a true ace and Suppan and Looper are at least as good as most of the pitchers who will likely be available for a price the Brewers are willing to pay at this point.
  • As noted in the Braun link above, Dave Bush threw 33 pitches off of a mound yesterday and is making strides in his rehab. He's expected to be able to return around July 20.
  • Manny Parra had a good start in AAA over the weekend and Jordan is making the case for his return. Parra could make one more AAA appearance and still be ready the next time the Brewers need a fifth starter, on July 11.
  • Mike Burns did not pitch well yesterday but, of his four extended appearances this season, yesterday's game was the only really bad one, and three productive appearances out of four isn't all that bad for a guy who essentially becomes your sixth starter.
  • And, for whatever it's worth, the Brewers still haven't given a shot to Mark DiFelice, as discussed at Brewers Bar and Brewerfan.net.
As such, I'm inclined to agree with Mike Woods of the Appleton Post-Crescent, who thinks the Brewers should stand pat.

Would any of us have been that upset about this weekend's series if the Brewers had found a way to win Friday? Over at Beyond the Box Score, jhmoore looks at the call that ended the game in the tenth inning, and uses it as a launching pad for a discussion on umpire inconsistency and the alternatives. The Brewers backed themselves onto the ledge on Friday, walking Milton Bradley and Geovany Soto to load the bases, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the umpires shoved them off of it.

The Brewers struggles this weekend can't be blamed on Casey McGehee, who went 9-for-19 against his former team and raised his OBP to .396. At current pace, McGehee might actually be the Brewers' best option to lead off games most days. The Chicago Tribune says McGehee could have been a nice fill-in for Aramis Ramirez.

With that said, the Brewers have an opportunity to make up lost ground this week, as they open a series with the Cardinals tomorrow. How important is this series? That depends on who you ask. Adam McCalvy asked both Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder. Here's what Braun said:
"It's crucial," said Braun, who along with Prince Fielder was named to the NL All-Star team on Sunday. "We don't want to dig ourselves too big of a hole."
And Fielder:
"It's important, but it's still a long season," he said. "Hopefully, we can come out all right, but if not, that's just the way it is. I don't want to put too much pressure on the situation. It's early. We have a long way to go."
Braun and Fielder may also have differing opinions on the Home Run Derby. The Inquisitr is reporting that Prince Fielder is interested in being a part of the competition, but Ryan Braun is not.

You've probably heard by now that both Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder were selected to the NL All Star team. There was a little less fanfare for FanGraphs' defensive All Star team, but both J.J. Hardy and Mike Cameron are on it.

The Brewer schedule is pretty tough this week, with division leaders St. Louis and Los Angeles visiting, but it gets easier from there. In fact, Purple Row cites the Brewers' weak schedule the rest of the way when naming them the favorites to win the NL Central.

In the minors:
  • Project Prospect is listing Brett Lawrie as a hitter who is significantly better than his competition in the Midwest League. Lawrie could be a candidate to finish the season at Brevard County, before possibly playing in the Arizona Fall League.
  • For now, though, Lawrie is teammates with Lorenzo Cain (#7 in our Community Prospect Rankings), who is continuing his rehab assignment.
Just one Power Ranking note: The Hardball Times' Dartboard has the Brewers at #14.

Around the league:

A's: Acquired Scott Hairston from the Padres for two minor league pitchers and a PTBNL.
Blue Jays: Placed reliever Scott Richmond on the DL with shoulder soreness and designated infielder Russ Adams for assignment.
Braves: Placed Kelly Johnson on the DL with wrist tendinitis.
Cubs: Signed Casey Fossum to a minor league deal.
Dodgers: Placed Eric Milton on the DL with a back injury.
Indians: Designated Matt Herges for assignment and signed Bobby Livingston to a minor league deal.
Marlins: Placed reliever Chris LeRoux on the DL with shoulder inflammation and signed Brendan Donnelly.
Nationals: Designated Jesus Colome for assignment.
Padres: Placed Henry Blanco on the DL with a hamstring strain and designated reliever Edwin Moreno for assignment.
Phillies: Designated reliever Jack Taschner for assignment.
Yankees: Placed Chien-Ming Wang on the DL with a shoulder issue.

Ever wonder what would happen if a team were built just to beat the Brewers? Sheffield's House attempted to put together a starting lineup of Brewer killers.

Oh, and happy birthday to Willie Randolph and former Brewer hitting coach Jim Skaalen, who both turn 54 today.

Drink up.

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Could someone answer me this

How the loss of Hart in lui of a Cat/Garut/righty platoon and the gain of Vasquez affect the Runs/Wins over the course of the season.

Thanks

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 10:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, I know its leiu, just typing too fast for my own good

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lieu

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by Jack Moore on Jul 6, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

it’s just one of those mornings

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you give me a video of the day, I'll forgive your mistake

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is the best I got

the well has been dry lately. Enjoy

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

haha

and you are forgiven

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

really quick version

according to fangraphs, vazquez has been worth 3.7 wins above replacement so far this year. That’s really good, and it would be unreasonable to expect him to match in the second half. So let’s say 2.5 – 3.0 WAR in the second half.

Corey, also according to FanGraphs, has been worth 0.6. He’s probably underperforming somewhat, so say he’s worth 1-1.5 WAR in the second half.

So basically, the net gain is 1 – 2 wins, if you assume that Vazquez is replacing replacement-level pitching, and we’re plugging in replacement-level right fielding. I think the first assumption is probably true. Maybe Bush comes back strong, Parra starts getting luckier, and Suppan stays healthy and above-replacement … but sh*t happens, especially to starting pitching. So I’m happy assuming that Javy replaces ~16 replacement-level starts.

It’s reasonable to assume that we’d plug in replacement-level RF as well. However, there’s a lot more room for optimism there. If Macha looks at it as a platoon, he could put together an above-replacement combination (much like TLR always seems to do at a position or two) and maybe Gamel spends July learning RF in the minors and then mashes in August and September. Or we spend another mil or two to get a Ray Durham-style salary dump to fill the gap, or at least strengthen the platoon. It’s a lot easier to come up with a scrap-heap RF pickup than a scrap-heap SP pickup.

So…1 – 2 wins, probably a little better given the possible setup in right field after Hart goes.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Jeff

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was looking at the schedule yesterday

The end of this month they play Reds, Pirates, Braves and Washington.

Once they get into August it’s an entire month playing the Padres, Astros, Reds, Nationals and Pirates. They could be looking at another 22 win month, and not have to play real well to do it.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2009 10:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the schedule breakdown

And makes me optimistic, no matter how poorly the Brewers do against the Cards/Dodgers

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Jul 6, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, September gets tough, though

I was looking at that before the Giants series two weeks ago. I’m just hoping we can make it to the All-Star Break without dropping too far out of first place.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Thursday

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fails to take into account St. Louis

St. Louis has a favorable schedule as well. It doesn’t really matter if the Brewers have a 22-win August if the Cardinals put up 20 wins.

by ecocd on Jul 6, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it does for the wild card, though

there’s no division that clearly looks to have a lock on the WC. the other 2nd place teams are the Marlins (1/2 game behind us) and the Giants (1.5 ahead of us). Neither of those is likely to put a lot of space between them and the rest of the pack.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When's the unwritten date

after which we can begin talking about the wild card race?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not really a hard and fast rule

But I tend to frown on it when:

A) It’s before the All Star Break, or
B) The Brewers are still within a few games of winning the division.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Jul 6, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then the division will always be my top priority.

Once it’s out of reach, then I worry about the wild card.

Not that it really matters: The Brewers have to win baseball games to reach either spot, so it’s not like there’s a strategic shift involved.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Jul 6, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

February 1

In some divisions, notably the AL East, the competition is so tough that you’re almost always playing as much for the WC as for the division. That’s kind of Billy Beane’s point of aiming for 90 wins. 90 wins is going to get you 2nd place a fair amount of the time, but it’s usually enough to get you the WC in those cases, and I think that’ll be the case in the NL this year. If we win 90, we’ll probably be in the playoffs, and I don’t care if the Cards or Cubs have 95 at that point. (As long as both don’t. I’d be really, really surprised if that happened.)

I’d be happier if we were on pace for 90, though :).

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 13th of Smarch

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure it does

If the team is within two games at the start of August.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me or is Braun getting increasingly self-important

I can understand wanting a leadership role on the team and he probably is the most valuable field player on the team, but he seems to forcing himself into the leadership role. The team chooses the leader, not the other way around. In the end, he’s still a young guy on a roster with some more experienced and mature players ahead of him.

Passing on the home run derby is another mild snub to his fans, especially the voters that got him to the game, in the first place. Whether it’s some phantom worry about messing up his swing or whether he wants to spend more time on his commercial interests during his day off, he’s still passing up an honor.

The BCB dustup concerning Braun attending a party some Friday night earlier in the season demonstrated a large split in our little community on the opinion of a player’s responsibility to his team vs. his personal commercial interests so I won’t touch on that.

He just seems to be focusing a lot more on “me with a team” than “a team with me” lately. :-\

by ecocd on Jul 6, 2009 12:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I commented on McCalvy's blog

I really appreciate his intensity on and off the field. However, he really doesn’t have any business talking about what moves the front office should be making, especially if the FO has made it clear that they are trying to make a move.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I don't think we have any business pretending as if we know how he or his comments are perceived internally

Obviously, I wonder about it too. But as far as I know, none of us are even close to being in an informed position in that regard, so unless the Brewers’ clubhouse manager (or maybe a disgruntled Jim Skaalen) lurks on here and feels like sharing, comments about this kind of thing really need to lack the certitude that so many evince.

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose I really shouldn't care

Nor do I that much, but I know I sure wouldn’t be rambling off about what I think my bosses bosses need to do when I know their in earshot, which is effectively what he’s doing by going through the media.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bosses' bosses

:)

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem with Braun expressing concerns over the team's play.

In fact, I find it somewhat refreshing.

I also have no problem with him turning down the HR Derby. Sure, it’d be fun to see him there, but what’s more important? Let’s give his ribs an extra day off instead of 50 “swing for the fences” swings in BP.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Jul 6, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd much rather have him NOT do it

Talk about a good way to make that intercostal strain start acting up again…

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

This game is for fun. I think that abstaining from something where he could injure himself and screw the team over for the season is probably a good thing. I’m also happy that YoGa isn’t pitching for the same reason.

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Jul 6, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point

I hadn’t thought about Yoga. I’m not worried about him hurting himsef, but he could definitely use some rest. This also opens us up to some flexibility as to how to set the staff after the ASB.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No concept

Jeff Suppan, opening day starter, will be kicking off the second half of the season.

And that’s all you need to know about the pitching staff.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball is his job

Rewarding sales guys with a corporate retreat is time off, too, but how much of that time is spent on a phone or Blackberry. Unless the guys are grizzled veterans, they’re expected to attend regardless of whether they want to. Beyond that, a lot of corporate retreats still have everyone putting in 3-4 hours of business each day.

This is American and successful Americans are expected to work and work a lot. The elite businessmen of the world are working and are expected to perform at least 6 days a week. They’re all expected to work at least some while they’re on “vacation.” Braun and his fellow All-Stars are the best of the best in their profession and with that comes expectations.

If he doesn’t want to participate in the HR Derby, then tough luck. He’s young and hasn’t earned the right to be denying these kinds of requests, yet.

Who, in the real world, denies a “request” from their boss to work overtime? Why should baseball players get a pass?

by ecocd on Jul 6, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he is not saying he will not play in a real game

it is a an exhibition also and I cannot believe I am using this but he also is a member of a union so my guess is the collective bargaining agreement allows him to opt out of this event.

Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S

by WSB Chris on Jul 6, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he *can't* refuse

I’m saying he shouldn’t refuse. A request from your boss is not truly a request for 99% of working Americans.

It’s a good point about the union, though, I hadn’t thought about it that way. (Of course, there are very few unionized workers these days and they’re generally perceived poorly by the rest of the working population.)

by ecocd on Jul 6, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his boss is not Major League Baseball

It is his manager, Ken Macha… and he does what he tells him to do to win games for the Brewers.

It would be like saying a Banker is responsible for a Banker’s Conference/Trade Show and speak on the panel… when his real responsibility is to run the bank properly, not an exhibition not truly what he is being paid to do…

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Jul 6, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would think Bud Selig outranks Ken Macha

Ken Macha is Ryan Braun’s immediate boss, sure, but it’s not a stretch to say Bud Selig is Ryan Braun’s boss, as well. It could be argued Bud Selig is even above Mark Attanasio since the Commissioner’s Office has the power to suspend players.

In your example, the banker is being paid to speak on the panel. Just because it’s not daily operation doesn’t mean it’s not part of his job. If he/she is at the Conference or Trade Show, he/she is working. If you’re trying to argue that people shouldn’t work while they’re on a corporate retreat, it’s a nice sentiment, but it’s unrealistic.

by ecocd on Jul 6, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His decision most likely has more to do with the health implications of participating

To stick with the Conference analogy, A local boss, (Macha, Melvin, or Attanasio) can make a very good case to a corporate boss (Selig) to keep an employee out of the conference if attending could possibly hurt his or her long-term productivity. The corporate boss would most definitely say, “hey, you certainaly know better than I do what’s best for [employee]. If you think it will be better for the company to keep [employee] home, I back your decision.”

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Quibbling over the analogies is muddling the issue further

Braun works for Attanasio, end of story.

Yes, Selig has some powers that can override those of Attanasio, but in no way does Braun “work” for Selig. Rather than comparing it to another industry, think of it more like Selig is the government/police force. He sets certain rules for baseball, and within those rules, teams (and by extension, their employees, with permission) can act as they please.

A good example is the WBC. Nobody forced players to play in the WBC, though we all know that Selig really really wanted everybody to play. Teams, however, within the rules set down by MLB (again, as a sort of govt/police force), could hold back players, and they did so. The HR Derby is a very similar type of exhibition, though without quite the same superstructure of rules governing teams holding their players out of it.

Players sign a contract with their team to perform certain duties, and the HR Derby isn’t one of them. Most players wouldn’t think twice about it, just as they generally do more community service than is strictly called for.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things got a little off-track

Indeed, the original point was never that he was legally obligated to participate in the HR Derby through the Collective Bargaining Agreement, but that he should participate as a participant in the All-Star Game.

Every year, I wonder if there’s any legitimate reason to have an All-Star game other than money. Selig seems to think so or he’d never have made home field in the World Series depend on the game. I think he may be the only one, however.

by ecocd on Jul 6, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

weelllll...

when you start talking about baseball and tradition, this all gets obscured, but ultimately, it’s all about the money.

The ASG is a ratings cash cow, and it’s a huge promotion for MLB in the middle of the summer when people might be starting to lose interest. That’s part of the reason for the one-player-per-team rule. We gotta keep ALL the fans interested, even if that means Mark Redman might pitch in the 6th inning.

The “This Time It Counts” business is just another way to drum up interest, which again boils down to the money. Bigger stakes = bigger ratings = more money from the game and more money for MLB and its teams as a group.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quibble or no quibble

I like that analogy. It makes me feel like I’m on the same playing field as a baseball player. So there!

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

I’ve always believed that a blogger, especially a stats-oriented one, is essentially the same thing as a utility infielder. I, too, am white, gritty, and can use my slashing swing to generated double-play grounders!

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should flag that

no name calling! :)

Coffey is surprisingly fast, as is the Polish Sausage

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i also wonder if he said good things about the team that were not quoted?

was there audio or video released of the interview?

hopefully braunny can convince prince to watch the derby instead of messing with his MVP-type season… :(

by Jamie in LA on Jul 6, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ceci n'est pas une cake

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This was a triumph.
I’m making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
It’s hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.
But there’s no sense crying over every mistake.
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.

by SgtClueLs on Jul 6, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a great selection of awesome.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for giving away the surprise of today's opening link. :-)

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Jul 6, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good stuff

I have original Nintendo and Playstation that impressed the cable guy when I moved last month.

Coffey is surprisingly fast, as is the Polish Sausage

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Per Heyman, regarding Pedro"

The Brewers and Cardinals are seen as being on the periphery. The Brewers missed the last public workout, as Pedro was slightly late (he was on Pedro time), and the scout bailed.

by grant76 on Jul 6, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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Rubie_edited-1_small Rubie Q

Hikaru_50_small morineko

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Hulk_buddy-icon_small Fatter than Joey