Melvin Strikes Back
Yikes.
I'd say Melvin was backtocali if it weren't for their differing views of draft-eligible talent.
Edit by TheJay:
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy. I don't know his motivation for saying it. It demoralizes the people in the organization at a time when we should be pulling together. It puts a bad taste in our mouths. That's a pretty strong statement."
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I like the first comment on the JSonline version of this
“Thank you Melvin! Finally someone speaks the truth!!!
How about Braun for Halladay straight up?”
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by TheJay on Jul 6, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that
What a ratard
Imagine the Brewers offense without Ryan & Prince.
-Bill Schroeder
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 6, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom H.'s entry..
… had even more quotes from Melvin that bit just as hard.
"I didn’t hear our pitchers complaining when we lost a 1-0 game (to New York last week) or the 2-1 game in 10 innings in Chicago.
"They didn’t say the hitters weren’t doing their job. He’s hitting in front of one of the best hitters (Prince Fielder) in the game."
Ouch.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Limping in to the break
that’s just what we need, our best hitter and our GM bickering at eachother in the media
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 6, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now all we need is for YoGa to punch Kendall in a dugout brawl.
I’ve heard that has curative effects.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i immediately imagined this in pokemon terms
-YoGa used fury swipes!
-It’s not very effective…
-Wild Kendall used GRIT
-It’s super effective!
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Jul 6, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
the team may be better off with Nurse Jenny as trainer....
Recced.
by morineko on Jul 6, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh goodness
again, i long for something between flag and rec
by warwick5s on Jul 6, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Melvin's own fault
Braun is right and everyone in the baseball world knew that Brewers’ pitching was going to be a major issue this year. They made a ridiculous offer to CC in the off-season but then did nothing else…unless you count Looper as doing something. They company line about CC being a special case was completely ridiculous.
They needed to add pitchers in the off-season and everyone knew it. Braun is frustrated and who can blame him. Yeah, they lost a couple of low scoring games but that’s going to happen. For the most part the offense has been fine. The pitching hasn’t.
by Menchkin on Jul 6, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That may be true
But you don’t bash your boss in the media.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
Braun never said that Melvin and the front office weren’t doing their jobs. He fully acknowledged that there aren’t a lot of starting pitchers available.
Braun just said what everyone else is thinking. With that being said- it would be nice if Braun developed a little bit of a filter when talking to the media.
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 6, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the entire team was thinking it
But nobody else said it. If he wanted his opinion to be heard, he should have gone to Doug or Gord personally and gave them his thoughts. That being said, Doug M. shouldn’t have been so candid with TH. As somebody stated previously, he should have called Braun into his office and had a one on one meeting about media relations.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My feelings exactly.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Jul 7, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How exactly do you propose they do it?
Who do they trade? They don’t really have the money to bring someone on right now. Signing Looper was a good move considering what we had. The Gallardo/Parra/Bush/Looper/Suppan rotation was fairly decent in theory – remember a lot of people thought this would be Parra’s breakout year – but their problem is that they don’t have a good option for backup starter.
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on Jul 6, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fairly decent in theory AND in practice
up until now
“Yeah, they lost a couple of low scoring games but that’s going to happen. For the most part the offense has been fine. The pitching hasn’t.”
Um you can say about the EXACT same thing for the pitching. So yes, yes they have been fine.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jul 6, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not quite
JAMOOL’s point was that we don’t have depth. Our depth has not been fine. Up until now, we haven’t needed depth. Now that we need it, we can see how much we needed it.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but they *couldn't* afford CC
they knew the Yankees were going to beat whatever number they put out. it was a show of good faith but there’s no way they put that offer out there thinking he’d take it.
by warwick5s on Jul 6, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who else were they supposed to sign?
Melvin can’t make good free agent pitchers magically appear out of nowhere. Who should he have brought in?
by richardhkirkando on Jul 7, 2009 7:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
armchairs
I really don’t think any of us are in a position to sit here and call our front office ridiculous. There’s really not a whole lot of reliable talent out there and you have to remember, so many teams are fighting for playoff spots this year, nobody’s willing to lie down and become a seller.
I’ve spoken with Doug Melvin several times – so call me biased if you wish – but the man knows baseball and knows what he is doing. We added one starting pitcher in the off-season and honestly the move or lack of moves has worked for more wins than losses.
I like Braun and his flare on the field but that’s where it needs to stay. Teammates probably look up to Braun more than he realizes and doesn’t understand the negative impact of this type of speech in the press. He’s gotta learn to take his frustration out on the field and just take care of what he can control. Hopefully he’ll have a long career and have a chance at plenty of championships.
by Tick on Jul 6, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
Braun has to be able to take it if he wants to dish it out. These off days are never boring.
Coffey is surprisingly fast, as is the Polish Sausage
by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
Fantastic quote
captainbok: What do you like the most about milwaukee
Jeff Suppan: Captain Bok, that is a great question. Does "Bok" mean Book of Knowledge? My favorite thing about Milwaukee are the Brewers.
by JAMOOL on Jul 6, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Gord Ash have to give up his badge?
Or does one of them get a super-special number-one top deputy badge?
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by TheJay on Jul 6, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Braun becomes the Assistant TO the General Manager, but he introduces himself as the Assistant General Manager. He could spend his off days running a beat farm/bed and breakfast…
by bplatz on Jul 6, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
Is Yovani his Mose?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
British Office best show ever...
"I’m assistant regional manager."
"Assistant to the regional manager."
Gareth and David (Series 1 Episode 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOkxLvFQQXE&feature=channel_page
by Jamie in LA on Jul 7, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weighing in here...
As another huge fan of #8 and the ‘Stache, I think it would’ve been in the best interests for all parties involved to keep this in house. Yeah, Braun was saying what a lot of us were thinking, but it prolly wasn’t the best idea to air this in the media.
How quick will the pitchers be to retaliate now if Braun gets drilled, especially now that the Cards are coming to town?
by cwatts78 on Jul 6, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly, +1
my only problem with Braun speaking his mind is that it might screw up the clubhouse camaraderie that the team is so famous for
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 6, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
…it could give this team a kick in the ass, kinda like after the Prince-Parra sparring session last year.
IMO, it might be a good idea for Braun to have a little chat with the pitchers or whomever and clear the air. I doubt he was out to bash and trash the pitchers when he made the comments, but they didn’t come off as being very positive.
by cwatts78 on Jul 6, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't parra you know,
not win after prince boxed his ears?
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Jul 6, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I questions the timing
If regard to the Braun thing…he has a point, to a degree, but I question the timing. Soup pitched much better, Looper pitched well enough, Burns pitched great in his last start, Yoga was being his usual ace self in his last start. What more does Braun want? Yeah, Burns didn’t pitch well that day and McClung blew up again in his start. I get that. But you’re talking about two guys who just got into the rotation under very un-ideal circumstances, and his comments HAD to have been aimed at them, given the timing. As for Burns, I think he’s done pretty well given the circumstances. He’s bound to have a bad game, but at least he doesn’t seem to be the emotional rollercoaster that McClung & Parra are. This guy also makes the case that the pitching hasn’t been as bad as it seems either: http://community.sportsbubbler.com/blogs/the_junkball_blues/archive/2009/07/02/series-preview-ken-macha-s-situational-extravaganza-sweet-lou-s-school-of-etiquette.aspx (sorry, don’t know how to post links properly here)
by bluejazz04 on Jul 6, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the odds that
Someone brings in a plastic sheriff badge for Braun’s locker tomorrow?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think
i might have forgotten the parra aspect of it….
goes and gets his facts straight
by cwatts78 on Jul 6, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well....
….the team did go 18-5 the rest of the month (including the 8-game streak after that game). As for Parra…….well……..
by cwatts78 on Jul 6, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Post-Hoc
The problem I have with the Prince/Parra snit is that it’s a post-hoc logical fallacy to say that it caused them to win more games. Certainly not with enough confidence to say that players need to start calling each other out in the media to get fired up. I suppose you could ask the players if Prince going after Parra made them see the ball better, or the pitchers able to locate their fastball better. But I really doubt the two are in any way related.
by bluejazz04 on Jul 6, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point...
…but can it be also be said that tension was building up to that point and at some point it had to be released?
by cwatts78 on Jul 6, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Maybe everyone should start wearing long socks and oversized hats with flat brims. Just to try something different.
by bluejazz04 on Jul 6, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
In the World Series, all of the Brewers can go as Manny Parra for Halloween!!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 6, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Smith
Although Manny’s got a bit of the flat brim thing too. Except his hat actually fits.
by bluejazz04 on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DM on the way out?
Braun smarting off about the GM isn’t probably the wisest thing to do, but with that said, it’s not good to have the GM strike back at the player. DM should have risen above and not commented on it.
So if you are MA, who’s side do you choose? The future of the franchise, or your GM? Perhaps this is the beginning of a backlash of DM.
DM has soured on me, so perhaps I’m looking through not rosey glasses. Thoughts?
by SgtClueLs on Jul 6, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Braun probaly shouldn’t have said what he said, but he’s ultimately payed to play the game (which he does very well). On the other hand, a large portion of Melvin’s job is to consider the media and player relations.
Melvin’s the one who ends up looking undisciplined and reactionary here, if you ask me.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 6, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in a week, no one will remember either one.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by KLSnow on Jul 6, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Especially after
McClung pitches a shutout.
OK. Maybe not.
by bluejazz04 on Jul 6, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be the greatest thing ever
more realistically (ha!) he could go pull an Ernie Shore in relief of Soup or Loop? :)
by morineko on Jul 6, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, guess he has free reign to say whatever he wants then.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jul 7, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you ask me.
Let em all vent and get it out in the open. Can’t hurt. Then they take 3 days off and refocus.
I think Braun may have been overzealous, but with good intentions. I think Melvin was about the same, I understand he has to defend his people, but his people should be smart enough to know what Braun was trying to do.
by Metagen on Jul 6, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers Fight Club
Live at Miller Park
by bluejazz04 on Jul 6, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun said what everyone is thinking
Unfortunately for him, he’s Ryan Braun, and he’s got a pretty big microphone. Basically, he got it right, but he probably should have kept his mouth shut.
Don’t worry Ryan, we have your back – we’ve been complaining about this very issue for months. ;)
by dishingoutdimes on Jul 7, 2009 12:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on the bright side, at least he didn't try to plug his shirt
while trashing the pitching.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Jul 7, 2009 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Braun
He was just stating the obvious that we need pitching. It is something we have needed going into spring training. The middle of the rotation have been up and down all season long. We are still looking for a solid starter since Parra was sent back down to the minors. Burns is doing okay but, notgreat with the talent the Crew has overall.
by tyr on Jul 7, 2009 6:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Braun for Player-Coach
During the offseason, I mentioned several times that they should just make Braun a player-coach, and that was before he decided that he liked the sound of his voice. Every time he says anything, my initial thought is “hey, that sounds like something a manager would say”. And nobody would think twice about it, because its normal for a manager to say “our pitching wasn’t good enough today”.
So there you go, your deputy badge.
by richardhkirkando on Jul 7, 2009 7:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Brewers go 4-2 or 5-1 on this homestand everything will be forgotten. These things pop up every year on teams when they have a bad streatch. It is a long season and competative people get frustrated and need to vent.
I have complete confidence in the professionallism of both Melvin and Braun to do their jobs and work to get this team back to the play-offs.
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
by stork02 on Jul 7, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WTF?
I cannot believe this Fanshot has threaded to here! Can you all PLEASE move on from Ryan Braun’s emotional problems….
Go Brewers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by heybatterbatter on Jul 7, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was an off day yesterday.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Emotional problems?
He sees something wrong with the team that’s going to hold them back from performing similarly to last year and he has emotional problems?
Like I said before, if the press starts asking him about how the team is doing – which they do because he is a prominent player – is he supposed to just say that he’s not going to talk about something? When you work for someone, whether it is a team or a retail store or anything else, you end up being an ambassador for that corporation. As such, he doesn’t really have the ability to turn down reporters when they ask such things. It could upset the fans if he doesn’t seem friendly and knowledgeable about the team. I would rather have a player who takes interest in the management side of the team and expresses that when asked than someone who doesn’t seem to know or care what’s going on.
Since this is a Brewers blog, I see no problem in talking about this issue.
"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"
RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving
by kirbir on Jul 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing, Rickie,
Sucks… My expectations were not high going into the season with our SP rotation… It’s frustrating as a fan and player when you’re right in the thick of things right now..but realistically…still so far away from a WS run.. I don’t see anything out there, realistically, attainable like a CC/ect that’s going to get us to the WS this yr….Playoff’s.. probably..so. I think it’s best we just ride out the season as is for the most part and not waste trading chips.. Next yr and the small window we have left with Prince is the time to go for it all I think.. Last yr was nice..we made the playoffs…Next yr and more so the following (bye 20+million for suppan and Hall) yr/s is when the brass,,,err,,,Braun need to go all in for a WS run. I’m not saying go all in as to cripple the future..Butttt.
by Flag Up on Jul 7, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
there’s really no one out there worth giving up prospects for, not for this season at least
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Jul 7, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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