Rumorville: Roy Halladay
by roguejim on Jul 7, 2009 11:28 PM CDT
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According to MLB Blogger Jordan Bastian, Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi is "willing to entertain trade offers for ace Roy Halladay." Halladay, of course, would be this year's CC Sabathia in terms of true ace stuff: his ERA has been under 3 in three of the past five seasons, and hasn't been above 4 since 2004. (Halladay's stats here.) Halladay has a no-trade clause, but with the Blue Jays languishing in 4th place in the AL East, he's apparently willing to waive it.
More to the point, the Brewers have a serious shot at landing the big righthander:
- Although a dozen teams have asked about Halladay, the Brewers are one of seven teams who have expressed "serious" interest.
- SI's John Heyman says the Jays might be looking for their shortstop of the future, which would make the Brewers one of three teams at the top of the list.
- Doug Melvin, who hates Internet baseball rumors, is open to talking to the Blue Jays about Halladay, who is neither Canadian nor a former Ranger.
One obstacle to a deal is that Halladay's contract runs through 2010, and any time a player is traded in the middle of a contract, he can demand a trade after the season. Cash could be another obstacle: Halladay would be owed another $7+ million for 2009 and $15.75 million for 2010. Plus, we don't know if Halladay would waive his no-trade clause to come to Milwaukee.
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I would trade pretty much anybody but Braun and Gallardo to get Halladay.
I voted for Hardy due to both his and Halladays contracts being up at the same time, which would suck. I would assume that Escobar would be the more attractive trade piece, though, unless Toronto would think it has a great shot at signing Hardy to a very reasonable extension.
Please, please let the Brewers have serious interest in him.
:) + Suppan = :'(
by NoahJ on Jul 8, 2009 12:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I guess I wouldn't trade Fielder in the middle of the season either.
But after those three, I would give up anyone else.
:) + Suppan = :'(
by NoahJ on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Halladay. He is a rock.
I will buy his Brewers Jersey the day it comes out.
by theBrouhaha on Jul 8, 2009 12:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A rock with arms!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 8, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy, Gamel, Mid Level Prospect
Completely worth it. I really don’t see anyway in which Hardy helps the Brewers more than Escobar right now and hopefully Escobar can hit for average (or at least above Hardy’s .240) and steal some bases at the bottom of the lineup.
In regards to Gamel one of the two will have to go for Halladay and with McGehee you have to ask if at 26 he might be an option for the future or just a guy who will eventually come back down to Earth. Obviously he wont hit .340 for the rest of his career but I could see him hitting .280 with significant enough power to be considered a 2 or 5
Ring Out Ahoya!
by bleedbluegold03 on Jul 8, 2009 1:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmmm
I think we’d rather have Escobar’s speed at the top of the lineup…from the lead-off spot…rather than at the bottom of the lineup…providing he can get on base in the majors as much as he’s getting on base in the minors.
I don’t think Gamel would be moved for a rental pitcher either…even one that gives us more time than CC did….not if the Brewers hope to stay competitive beyond the Prince Fielder era. Besides, if the rumors are true…they’re going to want Escobar and not Hardy…and they’re not going to get both Escobar AND Gamel. A more workable package might be something like Escobar, Salome, Gillespie, and maybe one of our middle tier pitchers.
All of this discussion could be a moot point of course, since Halladay has a full no trade clause, and might not want to come to Milwaukee.
by TheBurningRom on Jul 8, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
“One obstacle to a deal is that Halladay’s contract runs through 2010, and any time a player is traded in the middle of a contract, he can demand a trade after the season.”
Where did you see that? I don’t think it’s any time a player is traded in the middle of a contract. I believe it’s only if a player has five years of major league service time AND is playing under a contract signed before October 23, 2006 (Halladay’s extension covering 2009 and 2010 was signed in March 2006). So Halladay would be able to demand a trade but a guy like Suppan would not.
It’s Article XX© of the CBA.
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by TheJay on Jul 8, 2009 5:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's in my secret rule book
that you don’t have access to. So there.
I was actually just referring to the Melvin quote:
“What made the CC thing easier was that he didn’t have a no-trade clause and you knew he only had a half-year left on his contract,” Melvin said. “When guys are traded in the middle of long-term deals, they can demand a trade the next year. Those questions all have to be cleared up.”
but I probably overgeneralized in how I wrote it.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 8, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean re: "obstacle"
but that really just makes him more valuable. $16MM is a lot of money, but it’s below-market for Halladay on a one-year deal. It might make a Prince trade all the more certain, or I guess Halladay himself could be swapped again in the offseason. Either way, that ‘10 contract is worth something on top of the value of Halladay’s second half.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 8, 2009 6:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is "market" now?
Given what we paid for Looper (yes, yes, I know), I thought the market for players in general had come down quite a bit. Or was that a momentary blip, given the uncertainty in the preseason that we might all be communists now and baseball would only exist as Yankee intrasquad games?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the conventional wisdom
is that the market for top-tier players (of which Doc, of course, is one) keeps climbing. That’s partly due to the Yankees having so much money to spend this past offseason, but somebody else was bidding them up (notably, us).
CC basically got $20MM+ a year for 7 years … if he had said he’d only sign a one-year deal, he probably would’ve gotten $30MM from somebody. That, I figure, is the market for Doc.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 8, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure it was Kris Benson that screwed all this up in 04
When he signed that 3 yr 22.5 mil contract for a well below average pitcher, everything has been screwy since.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The poll is ridiculous
Of course we’d all like to get rid of Hardy in the impending Kris Benson deal. But the Jays want a “Prospect” and only Escobar fits that package.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I suppose a better question would be: if you could sign JJ to a long-term deal (freeing up Escobar for trade), would you?
On the one hand, the money it would take to sign JJ is money that can’t be used to resign, say, Prince.
On the other, as good as Escobar is with his glove, he is OPSing a MLE of .663 so far in AAA. Admittedly, JJ hasn’t done much better this season; however, over the past two seasons, JJ has had an OPS of about .800. That’s a pretty big difference.
I guess I think we need to trade Hardy and play Escobat strictly for the economics. However, I’m not sure that Escobar will ever hit well in the majors. Think Henry Blanco at shortstop.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on that one...
any desire I have to trade Hardy and go with Escobar is one of economics and the reality of being a small/mid-market team.
by warwick5s on Jul 8, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the way Escobar may field
Henry Blanco at shortstop isn’t really so bad. Yes, it’s an economics issue, but for everybody not the Yankees, it’s ALWAYS an economics issue. If you can plug in an above-average starter (which is what Escobar would be, if his D holds up) at a premium position for three years at the minimum, you do it. Spend the money somewhere where you don’t have a cheap internal option.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 8, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Providing Escobar’s D holds up/is as advertised, he is the better choice to play short for the next 3-5 years….or possibly until Josh Prince makes it to the major league level….provided he can continue to play like he has in Helena, and did in college.
It’s true that Hardy’s bat is > Escobar’s, but I think when you factor in the glove it balances out.
by TheBurningRom on Jul 8, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ay, cap'n, there's the rub
“It’s true that Hardy’s bat is > Escobar’s, but I think when you factor in the glove it balances out.”
Hardy is already an above-average shortstop defensively. Although I would be surprised if Escobar’s defense isn’t better still, it’s not like we’re replacing Rickie Weeks of 2007.
Really, we don’t have much of a choice - our Brewers are going to get really expensive over the next 2-3 years, and we need to replace our JJ Hardys with our Alcides Escobars. However, I think we’re going to miss JJ when we run out lineups featuring Hall, Escobar, Kendall, and the pitcher.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall
There’s that whole throwing up in my mouth thing… I hope Salome or Lucroy are ready by next year.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's going to take a ton to get Halladay
I like the idea of having Halladay for the 2010 season as well, but wouldn’t the Brewers have to have to offer up a lot to get him? When is it worth all but emptying the farm system for 1.5 years of proven MLB talent?
Would a Prince Fielder trade this offseason net the Brewers one or two top prospects? A top prospect and a mid-level prospect? Giving up prospects to get Halladay wouldn’t be so bad if we can restock in the offseason.
I’d think the free agent market for 1st basemen is generally deeper than starting pitching so finding a replacement level first basemen might not be an especially big concern.
by ecocd on Jul 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"if we can restock" = "if the Brewers can restock"
Last time I checked, I wasn’t part of the Brewers organization. ;-)
by ecocd on Jul 8, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you bought any merch or tickets?
I think it’s safe to call your favorite team us or we, if you’ve provided them with any revenue.
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by tcyoung on Jul 8, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Part of the reason the asking price is so high is because the team getting Halladay would likely get two top picks when he leaves after 2010. I think our farm system is still well-regarded, it’s just that most of our “good” talent is at the lower levels.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 8, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the price is right.
I’d like to bring in Halladay, but would that do more harm then good or the other way around? I would hate to deplete our farm system giving up a number of prospects. What we should really do is bring in top pitching prospects and develop them. Also, stop overpaying washed up pitchers like Braden Looper and Jeff Suppan. In other words, stop targeting ex-Cardinals pitchers. If we don’t have to give up a lot, I am all for bringing in Halladay…if the price is right. I would rather trade JJ Hardy then Alcides Escobar though.
by Jabooty on Jul 8, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sounds like the price will not be right by your standards.
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by baumann on Jul 8, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the biggest problem is that the Brewers have nothing in the way of young pitching. The one guy that may have had trade value (Jeffress), no longer has any value because a failed drug test gets a lifetime ban.
Escobar is a starting point. He has more value than LaPorta did last year. I suppose Manny Parra has some value and he would probably be the odd guy out of the rotation anyway.
Its the 3rd piece that would make or break the deal. Would the Jays insist on Gamel? Or would they take a mid-level guy like Cain or Green (the equivalent of Brantley last year).
by grant76 on Jul 8, 2009 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Brewers have quite a bit of young pitching talent.
Zach Braddock
Wily Peralta
Cody Scarpetta
Evan Anundsen
Chris Cody
Josh Butler
Most of these pitchers are at AA or below, but these are definitely some quality pitchers that teams would be interested in.
There is no way that Escobar gets traded, he has too much value to the Brewers for the next 6 years.
If I were to make an offer, I would go with this.
JJ Hardy
Angel Salome/Jonathan Lucroy (I view them as equal prospects at this point)
Chris Cody
by zzzmanwitz on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We probably just disagree
I should have phrased it to say that we don’t have any tradeable pitching. I like those pitchers as much as the next guy, but not only are “Most of (those) pitchers at AA or below”, they are are all Single A guys except for the recently promoted Braddock.
Even if it these guys were projected to be MLB pitchers, they have to run the gauntlet of the minors, injury-free, before they have any value IMO.
I just don’t think that package gets it done.
by grant76 on Jul 8, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it would get it done...
That’s just about all I would offer.
by zzzmanwitz on Jul 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness, lower-minors pitchers do have trade value...
though perhaps not to teams like the Braves and the Jays. Unfortunately, the choice of top-flight pitchers available from teams in a true rebuilding phase isn’t overly huge, unless we’re back to talking about Peavy again (and I’m not misunderstanding the Padres’ current plans).
Too bad the Marlins ownership only blows up its team during off-seasons, or I’d gladly take Josh Johnson off their hands…
by Zeyes on Jul 8, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Send them Prince plus some mid level guys
Get Overbay included to fill the 1B hole. He’s not Prince, but has a 122 OPS+ in the AL and I remember his as above average defensively.
by Getting Yosted on Jul 8, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking from a Cubs fan standpoint...
I find it highly unlikely that Melvin would be willing to part ways with your top prospects, such as Gamel and Escobar. If he were to make such a trade, I would be happy as a Cubs fan for the following years to come. Another thing you need to think about is how inflated the cost to acquire him will be. The Blue Jays’ GM recently said that he would be willing to trade Halladay within the AL East…essentially raising the bids/price to trade for him, as the Yankees and Red Sox will push each others’ antes up.
Halladay is 32 years old, and although he hasn’t showed signs of aging in his pitching, he will soon. He won’t be able to get his fastball up in the lower to mid 90’s, and will quickly have to rely on his cutter and curve ball. I see this possible trade as a quick solution to possibly make a push into the playoffs, but I doubt that this trade would have large benefits in the future. Trading for him would hurt the Brewers in the future, so as a Cubs fan, I am almost welcome to such trade occurring. At times I think Melvin is an idiot, but I think he realizes the costs are too great in this situation.
by cufban2522 on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but think of all that salary coming off the books @ end of 2010... drool.
by Mykenk on Jul 8, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
between Hall and Suppan they'll be in fantastic shape
on field and off
by warwick5s on Jul 8, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh, I wouldn't get too excited about that
a whole lot of guys will be going through arb at that point, getting more expensive every year.
(then again, not paying Suppan eight figures is something to get excited about regardless of context.)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 8, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly something to get more excited about than the Cubs
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could make a play for Lebron or DWade!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joel Sherman says that the Blue Jays really want a shortstop if possible, but would go with the best prospects available
Also says that the Phillies are the frontrunners
by grant76 on Jul 8, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Angels in the mix now too
LA Times is reporting that the Angels are planning on blowing away the competition in order to get Roy Halladay. Their package could include Jared Weaver, Brandon Wood, Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden and then someone like Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick.
Brewers would not be able to compete with an offer like that. Even if they included Escobar, they would then have to come up with pitching. And even then lets say there is someone out there that would take Parra, Parra/Escobar doesnt come close to what the Angels could give up.
I just dont see the Brewers picking up a guy like Haren, Halladay or Peavy given the lack of MLB ready young pitching (that they would freely give up). Heck even if they offered up Gamel and Escobar it would still take one or two pieces to land those guys. Of course the Peavy salary dump is a much different situation than Haren or Halladay.
by backtocali on Jul 8, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Giving up Weaver for him seems redundant and stupid
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jul 8, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider the source
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Direct from the LA Times
He would also cost a fortune in talent, a price the Angels probably can’t afford.
A deal for Halladay would probably cost the Angels pitcher Jered Weaver, a top pitching prospect such as Trevor Reckling or Jordan Walden, top hitting prospect Brandon Wood and a young big leaguer such as Erick Aybar or Howie Kendrick.
In other words, it was not reported, it was pure conjecture. Thanks for playing
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks I was just about to post this
No where does it say the Angles are planning anything.
Just so everyone knows, this [backtocali] was our top scout when Sal Bando was here.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Jul 8, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
better keep my MLA handy when posting here
Didnt realize I was writing an English paper.
by backtocali on Jul 8, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that
I’m in a pissy mood right now. Took it out on you. My bad.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understandable
I know my reputation around here, the first instinct is to pounce. No problem.
by backtocali on Jul 8, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a significant difference though...
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 8, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Labeler
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by TheJay on Jul 8, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My guess on moving Halladay
Richardi is looking for a Teixeira to the Braves type deal. If you remember, it took:
- A high level catching prospect in baseball at that time (Saltalamaccia)
- A very good high level pitching prospect (Matt Harrison)
- A very good low level pitching prospect (Neftali Feliz)
- A mid to low level pitching prospect (Beau Jones)
- A High ceiling SS Prospect (Elvis Andrus)
The Brewers match up with that pretty well, when you put together LuCroy, Wily Peralta, Chris Cody/Evan Adnunson, and Escobar. They would just have to figure out who they would throw in to match the Matt Harrison part.
The question is, would Doug do this?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Jul 8, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Handicapping the Halladay races
Per the JS Online:
Baseball reporter Buster Olney of ESPN Insider posted some early odds on what teams could acquire Halladay.
The Brewers had the fourth-best odds on his list at 12-to-1, behind the Philadelphia Phillies (5-2), Los Angeles Dodgers and Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim (both 8-1).
Others on Olney’s list were Boston (15-1), Denver (20-1), Texas (20-1), New York Yankees (20-1), St. Louis (50-1) and the New York Mets (100-1).
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 8, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
so....
olney is saying either
a) I have no clue
or
b) the Jay’s GM is drawing colored marbles out of a bucket?
P.S. did anyone make sure he didn’t exceed 1-1 odds and at least came above 2-to-1 total?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 13, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
www.olneybook.com
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Jul 13, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“When a general manager says he is listening to offers, yeah, I’ll call,” said Melvin. "I haven’t called yet.
“The guy has a no-trade (clause). You try to wait to see what’s coming out of it. Are they doing it for an extension or whatever? They’re going to identify the people that they think have enough talent (to make a deal).”
by Metagen on Jul 9, 2009 1:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing earth quaking is going to happen.
Melvin Knows this team right now is not destined to win it all. Why fuck around being cute this yr? Hope I’m wrong and Melvin Brings Milwaukee the big prize this yr with some moves. Being the Atlanta Braves I have no use for right now.
by Flag Up on Jul 9, 2009 2:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Possible mega trade?
I read on SI.com that the Jays are also looking to move Rios and that they concede that they’d need to pick up a fair amount of his salary. Rios would certainly give us a replacement for Cameron and, with at least some of his salary being picked up by the Jays, could be a valuable addition. What would it take fo us to make that deal?
by Applekanth on Jul 9, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers are scouting Halladay today.
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What does this even mean???
What more could we possibly need to know about Halladay to decide if we want to pick him up or not? I mean, he’s a top five pitcher in the league (if not the best).
by zzzmanwitz on Jul 9, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're seeing
if he’s actually a Canadian, seeing how he pitches for the Blue Jays. That’s a big selling point, you know.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jul 9, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was recently on the DL, so they're probably checking out for themselves how well he's recovered
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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