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Some things to read while finding a better place to propose.

Today, the Brewers have a different kind of proposal for Manny Parra: something like, "Would you please try not to make us wish we'd left you in AAA?" Parra makes his return in a few hours, and the Brewers are hoping he'll be more like the pitcher they saw in AAA (sub-3 ERA) than the one they sent down (13.50 ERA, allowed opponents to hit .408/.478/.694 in his last five starts). To make room on the roster for him, the team designated Chris Narveson for assignment. Narveson will almost certainly clear waivers and accept an assignment to AAA, but the Brewers wouldn't be much worse off if he didn't. (Also noted in FanShot.)

The Brewers will also have bench coach Willie Randolph back for today's game. Randolph was suspended for a game for coming onto the field to argue his ejection in Tuesday's game. Coaches are not allowed to do that, even if Bill Hohn's mustache is blocking their view. (Also noted in FanShot.)

They're also one day closer to having Dave Bush back. Bush is scheduled to throw 3-4 innings in a rehab start Friday for the Timber Rattlers. If all goes well, he's still scheduled to return to the big leagues on July 20.

Is Prince Fielder MLB's fastest big man? The Brewers would have squandered three bases loaded opportunities last night if Fielder hadn't legged out an infield single in the eighth. For his part, Fielder called the performance "panic speed."

As the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline approaches, we'll stop for a moment each day to take a look at the rumors and notes:

  • Ken Rosenthal is reporting that, along with Roy Halladay, the Blue Jays are also considering trading outfielder Alex Rios, who has over $60 million remaining on a contract that runs through 2014. Assuming the Brewers can afford him, he'd be a nice long term replacement for Mike Cameron.
  • Mark Bowman of MLB.com thinks the Braves' demands for Javier Vazquez will be similar to the Indians' asking price for CC Sabathia last season. He argues that Vazquez is pitching better than Sabathia was at the time of the deal, and is under contract for an extra year.
  • Mark Mulder's agent says he'll be ready to audition for scouts in a week to ten days, and thinks he can quickly return to big league form.

And in the minors:

  • Over at The Hardball Times, Jeff takes a look at the defensive stats for some college shortstops who were drafted to the big leagues over the last two seasons. 2009 Brewer draftee Josh Prince ranked right around average, but 2008 draftee Michael Marseco, all 130 lbs of him, was 17 runs above average defensively in college.
  • Minor league attendance is holding steady across the country, but the Midwest League is up 2.5% through June, likely due to a couple of new parks and increased interest in the Timber Rattlers. The Pioneer League was also up 18% in June, but that only covers about a week's worth of games.

Continuing Bullet Pointpalooza with a look at Power Rankings:

  • Beyond the Box Score dropped the Brewers three spots to 17th, but they're still the highest ranked team in the Central.
  • MLB FanHouse dropped the Brewers from #7 to #11.

Normally I present the Power Rankings without comment, but the Brewer note in the FanHouse ranking caught my eye:

If the Brewers don't find someone to back Yovani Gallardo soon, they might find themselves behind both the Cardinals and the suddenly surging Cubbies in the standings.

The "suddenly surging" Cubbies, huh? Yes, the Cubs did just take three of four from the Brewers at home. If you remove that series, though, they're 4-9 since June 22 and 10-15 since June 9. That doesn't sound like "surging" to me.

Around baseball:

Blue Jays: Released B.J. Ryan, but will still have to pay him over $10 million over this season and next.
Mariners: Are expected to sign Alex Cintron to a minor league deal.
Red Sox: Designated injured outfielder Jonathan Van Every for assignment.
White Sox: Designated reliever Jimmy Gobble for assignment.

Ballot box stuffing has been an accepted practice for years, but do the teams themselves cheat to give their players an edge in the Final Vote? Hall of Fame writer Hal McCoy of the Dayton Daily News seems to have caught the Phillies in the act:

WHAT I WOULD like to do right now is walk into the media dining room and kick out the plugs on three computers. Fans are voting for the final roster spot for the All-Star game and the Phillies are in an all-out campaign to get Shane Victorino on the team.

The Phillies have three young men in the dining room sitting at laptops punching in Victorino’s name every few seconds. And they are doing it non-stop, nearly around the clock. So when Victorino wins you’ll know it wasn’t a fan vote at all.

The Man v. Machine argument continues today as well. Over at Beyond the Box Score, tbsmkdn makes the case for human umpires, arguing that manager arguments with umpires are one of the best parts of the game. I don't think we're watching the same game.

Meanwhile, ESPN's coverage of the Home Run Derby will feature Ball Track, a system designed to tell you immediately if a ball will be a home run, if waiting a few seconds to see where it lands takes up too much of your time.

Oh, and I can't decide on today's bigger anniversary: the non-conclusion of a meaningless exhibition game in 2002 or Tyler Houston's three home run game in 2000. So I'll give you both.

Drink up.

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Alex Rios

Acquiring Alex Rios is an interesting idea. He’s getting paid a lot and the Jays may be dumping salary (though they will be stuck with the nasty BJ Ryan and Vernon Wells contracts.

Center Field is a positon we haven’t talked about much, but is a glaring problem for 2010. Maybe taking Rios and that contract would allow for a Halladay blockbuster.

Halladay and Rios for Escobar/Hart/Parra/Salome/Peralta

The ability for Rios to move to center would mean that the Brewers would just need to find a right fielder during the offseason instead of a center fielder.

by grant76 on Jul 9, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Rios can play both positions well

Maybe the Jays regard Rios’s contract as negative or very little positive value, which would make it easier to get Halladay. I’d take Rios, that’s a long-term but pretty reasonable contract for a guy with a very good defensive track record and 1 down year offesnsively.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jul 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

good idea

If the Brewers had a 120 million dollar payroll, but I am not seeing it with all those big contracts… The Brewers need some cheap positions filled with younger guys- havent run the math, but it seems the Rios contract, might turn into another Bill Hall type

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Jul 9, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think there's any way the Brewers could take both Halladay and Rios

Unless the Jays were sending significant cash. That’s roughly a $25 million payroll hit next season, and probably $12 or so for the rest of this one.

With that said, I don’t think Lorenzo Cain is reason enough not to consider Rios. Cain won’t be ready the big leagues on Opening Day next season, and even if he is down the road, one of the two can play left or right.

Rios is 28 and, while his numbers are down a bit this season, his OPS+ over 2006, 2007 and 2008 was 120, 122 and 111, respectively. If he can maintain offensive output in that range and play a solid defensive CF, he’d be well worth the investment.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 9, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

They wouldn't be sending cash if they unloaded Rios

The whole point would be to free up his contract $$. I’m sure they’d be even happier to trade Wells, if anyone was willing to take him. Kind of like if someone offered us a case of beer for Suppan and Hall. I was thinking yesterday that if a big payroll team wanted to get Halladay w/o sending back their entire farm system they could just offer to take Wells with him.

by Brew Angel on Jul 9, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why would I want to miss out on Berman

screaming Back, Back, Back… Actually, this ball track thing won’t be the worst in the world… Will he still say “He hit this one to (insert local suburb/nearby city)!!!”? I won my office pool when the AS game was in SF with Sausalito.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

awesome.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we could get that Ball Tracker thing

For Ueck.

It would be an investment into the cardiovascualr health of millions of listeners.

by grant76 on Jul 9, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

put it in Obama's health bill!

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's think about historical performance Mr. Bowman

He argues that Vazquez is pitching better than Sabathia was at the time of the deal, and is under contract for an extra year.

Except that Sabathia had a history of crazy good seasons and was coming off an April that everyone knew was a fluke. Vazquez has had a career season up to this point and is almost guaranteed to perform worse int he second half after being traded. I think most general managers realize this and are not going to pay through the nose to get a guy that’s going to regress back to the mean by season end.

by ecocd on Jul 9, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions  

my thoughts exactly

It’s all about getting back to career averages

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Although

CC’s numbers were much worse than his career numbers than Vazquez’s are better than his career numbers, so I wouldn’t expect a whole lot of regression.

Actually, I’m not sure that that’s true. Somebody wanna help me out and run this season’s #’s against his preseason projections?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow.

Just. Wow.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

That’s the first time I’ve ever wondered if I needed to moderate a comment that referenced Wikipedia.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 9, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sometimes life is just awesome like that

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jul 9, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I had to double check to make sure it was Mykenk, and not you

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is an anagram of "Create Long Pun"

Maybe roguejim lives there.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jul 9, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If your like me, you're thinking...

“Nah, that can’t possibly mean what it sounds like”

But, you’d be wrong.

On a tangentially similar theme, a couple nights ago I saw the Seinfeld rerun where Kramer borrowed the car with the “Assman” license plates. Funny stuff.

by cmow on Jul 9, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

crap, didn't reply properly.

referring to Mykenk’s Wikipedia post.

by cmow on Jul 9, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's almost gamethread time!!!

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 11:32 AM CDT reply actions  

and Rivera is starting!

Gets me excited for the day game

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Jul 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Toronto Sun

The Toronto Sun puts the Brewers at 5:2 odds for getting Halladay. That’s 2nd best, behind the Angels. It’s complete speculation on their part, but they drop a funny line by mentioning that “co-GM Braun would approve.”

They go on to label Lawrie as a catcher………………………………

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't be upset with the Phillies voting thing

I voted for Corey no less than 2,500 times last year

Imagine the Brewers offense without Ryan & Prince.
-Bill Schroeder

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 9, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Rivera pitching, Hart out

How bad was that hit on Hart’s foot? It’s listed as the season, but I can’t seem to remember it from the game though I sat through it all =(

by pharom on Jul 9, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Re: the anniversary

One person’s “meaningless exhibition game” is another’s spot-on prognosis.
In that ASG, Gagne pitched one inning, gave up two hits, including a home run.
He was followed by Hoffman who gave up a hit and struck out one in a scoreless relief appearance.

Sounds about right.

by Capt Science on Jul 9, 2009 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

And then there is this

Bud kind of got a bum rap. It wasn’t really his fault

by grant76 on Jul 9, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bud did get a bum rap for letting the game end in a tie.

But he got the bum rap because of the way he handled it.

If he had said, “We’re not going to send a pitcher back to his team overworked or abused because of an exhibition game,” I think people would have accepted that.

Instead, he let one mistake evolve into another by using that game as an excuse to try to turn the All Star Game into a “relevant” event.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by Kyle Lobner on Jul 9, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

depends on the weather is my guess

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jul 9, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Suddenly surging

You don’t even have to remove the series:

Yes, the Cubs did just take three of four from the Brewers at home. If you remove include that series, though, they’re 7-10 since June 22 and 13-16 since June 9. That doesn’t sound like “surging” to me.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jul 9, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions  

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