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Alcides Escobar talks with Willie Randolph during the first inning Wednesday.

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Alcides Escobar talks with Willie Randolph during the first inning Wednesday.

Some things to read while searching for a signature sign-off.

So, yesterday morning I skipped out early for an appointment, got back home, ate some breakfast, mowed the lawn, then sat down at my coffee table to check the comments on the Mug and discovered what might have been the biggest news day of the season, as the Brewers demoted J.J. Hardy to AAA, promoted Alcides Escobar, fired Billy Castro, designated Bill Hall for assignment and called up Jason Bourgeois. Adam McCalvy has reactions from the clubhouse, and here are several more reactions from around the web:

  • J.J. Hardy has until Friday to join the Sounds, and says he's looking forward to a few days off.
  • Brewed Sports was not pleased with that response.
  • Brewer Paradise Lost is one of many who suspects this move might have been made to prevent Hardy from becoming a free agent following the 2010 season. Hardy would have to remain in the minors past September 1 for the demotion to count against his service time, and it seems unlikely the Brewers will leave him there once rosters expand.
  • R.J. Anderson of FanGraphs isn't sure the Escobar-for-Hardy swap helps the Brewers this season, or helps Hardy's trade value down the road.
  • Meanwhile, Cash Kruth caught up with Bill Hall, who seemed upbeat about his situation and expects to be on a team again soon. With that said, this is the same guy who still thought he was the best third baseman in baseball a few weeks ago.
  • Ken Rosenthal is reporting that at least one NL team is interested in trading for Hall.
  • Cincinnati Reds Blog sees the Hall situation as "a big opportunity for the Reds to pick up a talented player."
  • Billy Castro, who had been with the Brewers as a coach for nearly 18 years, left with no regrets. He may not get another chance to be a pitching coach, but it sounds like he'll always have a spot in the Brewer organization, if he wants it.
  • A Girl's View of the Brewers wonders if these moves will be enough to get the Brewers back on track.
  • Big League Stew accused the Brewers of waving the white flag on the 2009 season.
  • PocketDoppler says the Brewers are pushing the panic button.
  • Aaron Gleeman of Circling the Bases says the move likely came too late for the Brewers' playoff hopes.
  • Keep Turning Up the Heat says "these are some dark times in the Brewers organization," and doesn't agree with the decision to call up Escobar or fire Castro.
  • Quevedo at the Buffet doesn't get the timing or the logic behind the moves.
  • The Bucky Channel wonders why Alcides Escobar was only used sparingly and Jason Bourgeois wasn't used at all last night.

Meanwhile, the Brewers did actually play a game last night, and lost their second straight to the Padres, dropping their playoff chances to 2.9%, the first time all season they've fallen below 3%.

Things could get worse today, as they play a day game against the Padres, who are sending Cesar Carrillo to the mound to make his major league debut today. The Brewers are 0-4 this season in games where the opposing pitcher is making his debut. And, of course, they haven't been good in day games either, or in games played in June, July or August.

Doug Melvin may not be done dealing. The Brewers claimed Doug Davis off waivers from the D-Backs (h/t FanShot), giving the two teams 48 hours to work out a deal to bring him back to Milwaukee. Davis says it would be fun to return to Milwaukee, but Tom H. says it's unlikely to happen.

A bunch of news got lost in the shuffle with everything else that happened yesterday. Here are the important notes that got buried in today's game preview:

  • Both Dave Bush and Jeff Suppan are expected back before September 1.
  • Jesus Colome was available to pitch last night despite his bruised pinky finger.
  • Nick Green cleared waivers after being DFA'd and will remain in Huntsville.

One other minor league note to pass along today: Matt Hagen of The Hardball Times nominated Jeremy Jeffress for most disappointing minor leaguer in 2009.

On power rankings:

Around baseball:

Angels: Released reliever Justin Speier.
Cardinals: Placed Todd Wellemeyer on the DL with elbow inflammation.
D-Backs: Placed Scott Schoeneweis on the DL with depression and released Tom Gordon.
Giants: Placed Rich Aurilia on the DL with ankle tendinitis.
Indians: Claimed R.J. Swindle off waivers from the Rays.
Mariners: Erik Bedard is expected to undergo shoulder surgery and miss the remainder of the season.
Marlins: Signed Esteban Yan to a minor league deal.
Pirates: Placed reliever Evan Meek on the DL with an oblique strain and claimed reliever John Meloan off waivers from the Rays.
Reds: Placed Scott Rolen on the DL with a concussion.
Royals: Acquired pitcher John Bannister from the Rangers.
Twins: Placed Glen Perkins on the DL with shoulder trouble and released Mark Grudzielanek.

By shuffling the deck in the bullpen a little bit this offseason the Brewers created some new problems, but at least they're done with this one: Reflections of Blue has had it with Guillermo Mota, who posted a 0.26 ERA over one 35.1 inning stretch and a 10.32 ERA since.

Here's something to ponder for all of you who want to make the case that J.J. Hardy should be moved to second or third base, Rickie Weeks should be moved to center field and Mat Gamel should play first base or right field: Will Carroll says a player playing out of position has a 30 percent greater chance of getting injured, based on unfamiliarity with the position.

Brian Anderson wants your help to raise money for the I Back Jack Foundation. Follow the link for more info on how you can help Jack Bartosz, a young man fighting neuroblastoma.

Speaking of causes that could use your money, UW-La Crosse, alma mater of former Brewers Jerry Augustine and Vinny Rottino, has raised enough money to keep the program alive for one more season, but is still on the chopping block.

On this day in 1987, Paul Molitor homered in the ninth to extend his hitting streak to 28 games, but the Brewers still lost to the Orioles, 5-4.

Happy birthday today to Corey Patterson, who turns 30, and former Milwaukee Brave Tony Cloninger, who turns 69.

Drink up.

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i feel so bad for schoeneweis

"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Aug 13, 2009 10:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too

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by TheJay on Aug 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Per Tyler Barns

Lopez 4
Counsell 5
Braun 7
Fielder 3
Cameron 8
Gerut 9
Rivera 2
Parra 1
Escobar 6

by SgtClueLs on Aug 13, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

escobar 6?

color me perplexed.

"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it is.

I was asking why sowingoats is perplexed that Escobar is at short. I should have asked: “Where else would he play?”

by Rubie Q on Aug 13, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

color me retarded as well

"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Aug 13, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If anyone doesn't know the numbering system

visit our friend Wikipedia

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Aug 13, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that just blew my mind.

i always assumed you just counted counter-clockwise from 1B to 3B (3-6).

"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Aug 13, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

6-4-3 double plays probably make more sense now.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Aug 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And batting 9th? Keep the pressure off Escobar...

Is Yost named the manager again as of today, back to the pitcher batting 8th.

News didn’t break that Macha was relieved along with Castro, Hall, Hardy, just too many news stories it slipped by everyone?

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Aug 13, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's a good move

Statistically, the pitcher batting 8th is actually almost invariably better; it got damned by association last year when an offensive rebound happened to coincide with moving the pitcher back to 9th.

Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?

by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's a good move too

but shouldn’t braun and fielder move up to 2 & 3 to make it work even better?

by warwick5s on Aug 13, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, to get really saber about it

They should be 2 and 4, ‘cause the best hitter actually shouldn’t be in the 3 spot, as they come up a disproportionate number of times with the bases empty and two outs.

That said, I think there is a value in not getting too crazy with the lineup; optimization only gains you a couple of runs or so, and Braun and Prince seem to like staying in their lineup roles (remember how they were flipped in the 3/4 positions last year, and asked to be switched back?), so I think the value of keeping them comfortable in their routine might outweigh the gains from changing up the lineup

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by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jordan did an analysis on this

I think, using The Book’s guidelines, etc. Apparently having a position player with some competence is better than having a not-so-good pitcher batting ninth. The analysis is posted here, but it assumes Jason Kendall has some competence.

by Capt Science on Aug 13, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going from memory

Even the study the guys did in The Book showed that using the absolute worst lineup vs. the absolute best lineup only results in a difference of a couple runs per year. It’s not even really worth thinking about.

by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 13, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the max you could get is about 10

which could get you an extra win. Silly not to try when baseball teams do what they do to gain even the smallest advantage.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Aug 13, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever

It requires the manager to be able to project how everyone will hit throughout the season, and he’ll likely get at least half wrong, and someone will be injured, and in the end there has to be 3 or 4 dozen things a manager could focus on that are more important.

by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 13, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's all true

Juggling everyone around and such… but it probably wouldn’t hurt to put Prince at 2 and Braun at 4 and just ride with it. But it’s not a very big deal at all.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Aug 13, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it makes sense

If Escobar is going to be running, might as well make sure it’s not in front of a guy trying to bunt him over anyway.

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by TheJay on Aug 13, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Suppan, Claudio Vargas, Doug Davis

And thus, Doug Melvin pushes to increase concessions money by extending all Brewer games to 4 hours.

I’m going to shamelessly hijack the mug. Anyone follow EPL? It sounds like maybe Setanta is on rocky footing, and ESPN may broadcast a lot of the games in the US this year. Will enough games be on FSC and ESPN, or should I get Setanta? Or is there a decent online option?

by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 13, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No online option that I've found.

I don’t know about others but to add FSC its only like 5 a month. I know Espn got a soccer contract, I’m not sure which. I know they already had UEFA.
I guess it depends on which team you follow. If it’s Chelsea/Manchester/Arsonal, your probably fine with espn/fsc since thats all they play.

CHELSEA FO LIFE!

"Cubs suck. I own them" -Doug Davis

by Metagen on Aug 13, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear mlb network has a lot of good soccer matches

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Aug 13, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good alternatives to soccer matches, anyway.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Aug 13, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't start Snow! I'll fight you

"Cubs suck. I own them" -Doug Davis

by Metagen on Aug 13, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but since you're a soccer fan

Doesn’t that mean you’ll just flop and pretend to be grievously injured when I pass by?

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Aug 13, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well thats the difference between soccer and other sports

It’s the players that flop around but aren’t actually hurt. But the fans actually seriously injure other people for no particular reason

"Cubs suck. I own them" -Doug Davis

by Metagen on Aug 13, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't that basketball?

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by TheJay on Aug 13, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's only Paul Pierce

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Aug 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right on

Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?

by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen a more productive use of time in a long time

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Aug 13, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in a more zoomed out version

you can see I have work on my desk too- i just added three white pins in between the “thumb” and the other “fingers”

Pic Zoomed out

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Aug 13, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say what you will about working in a cubicle

Clearly it has some advantages…

Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?

by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one benefit of poor vision

is that i didn’t even have to squint!

by Capt Science on Aug 13, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

"If lovin’ Braun is wrong, I want to be a repeat offender!"

RIP Nick Adenhart - Stop Drunk Driving

by kirbir on Aug 13, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Need an explainer

How does Escobar’s call up impact his service time? Will this count as one of his years under team control?

by Cervercero on Aug 13, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

You need six full years to be a free agent. If you’re called up for a partial year, you may be able to get an additional year of arbitration if you qualify as a “Super Two” player, which means you’re in the top 15% (I believe that’s the right number) of service time among players who officially only have two years of service time; Escobar is being called up way too late to qualify for that, but someone like Braun, e.g., could possibly qualify for Super Two status.

In other words, this doesn’t affect Escobar’s service time at all, especially as he would’ve been called up when rosters expand on September 1st, anyway.

Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?

by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right on all counts

Except I’m pretty sure the Super 2 % is 17, not 15.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Aug 13, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right about that

I can never keep those little details straight…I wonder where they come up with these random numbers sometimes. I mean, I guess it makes sense as a consequence of negotiation (“20%! No, 15%! Okay, how about 17%? Deal!”), but still

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by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

17% is about 1 in 6

Maybe they bargained a 5:1 rate.

by ecocd on Aug 13, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, that's the weird thing

If they had done 16.67% (which is what 1/6 is, rounded), I wouldn’t find it as random. Maybe I’m the weird one.

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by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It is, it is

It just doesn’t register with me like that the way 16.67% does.

Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?

by Lefti on Aug 13, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much sabermetrics!

Here’s you brain: 17%
Here’s your brain on sabermetrics: 16.67%

Any questions?

by ecocd on Aug 13, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, HERE's your brain on sabermetrics.

var x = 1.0
var y = 6.0

var super_two = x/y

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 13, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

looks like a TI-83 plus

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Aug 13, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sabermetrics still uses BASIC?

no wonder it’s been so slow to reach acceptance.

you need something that executes faster.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 14, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.167!

Or .725 Kendallians

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by TheJay on Aug 13, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll stick with my brain on drugs

"It may sound hollow, it may sound unrealistic, it may even sound stupid to some people. We still think we are in it," - Mark Attanasio

by GoCrew on Aug 13, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The good news, my friend...

…is that this is not an either/or proposition.

by Br@wndo on Aug 13, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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