Thursday's Frosty Mug
It's another rough week to be a Brewer fan, but at least Doug Melvin found a way to unload Bill Hall. Reactions from around the web:
- Tom H. reports the Brewers are saving at least $1.3 million in salary for next season by trading Hall. That's the portion of his salary that will be paid by the Mariners.
- Brewer Paradise Lost says Melvin is a genius for finding a team willing to take on any of Hall's salary.
- Gord Ash told Adam McCalvy that one other team was interested in Hall, but the rumors about Aaron Harang and Bronson Arroyo were incorrect. Both potential trades were for minor leaguers.
- Over at The Hardball Times, Jeff takes a look at the decision to give Hall a long term deal following the 2006 season, and still concludes it was the right move to make at the time.
- The Bucky Channel is surprised Jack Z. had any interest in Hall.
- Meanwhile, on the Mariners' side, Lookout Landing is playing the "He could be a great player if he puts it all together" card we've all become so familiar with over the last few years.
- Pro Ball NW is calling Hall a "free lottery ticket" and expects him to platoon with Jack Hannahan at third.
The trip to Washington will be a return home for Felipe Lopez, who had a very forgettable three-year run as a National between 2006 and 2008 before being released. As part of tomorrow's game preview, Adam McCalvy has a look at Lopez's time as a Brewer and his rebound from some defensive lapses a couple of weeks ago.
Unfortunately for the Nats, they won't get to face Carlos Villanueva this weekend, at least as a starter. With today's off day, the Brewers had the opportunity to skip a starter this weekend, and Carlos Villanueva is the one getting the hook, with Mike Burns getting the start Saturday. Both Jeff Suppan and Dave Bush are expected back in the rotation by the next turn.
With Yovani Gallardo stuck on 11 wins, it looks like the Brewers will be without a 20 game winner again this season. As Chris Jaffe notes at The Hardball Times, 23 teams have had a 20 game winner since Teddy Higuera did it for the Brewers in 1986. Only Baltimore, Philadelphia, San Diego, Montreal/Washington, Colorado and Tampa Bay have longer active droughts.
In the minors:
- Mike Jones' AAA debut didn't go so well last night, as he allowed six runs on ten hits and struck out no one in four innings and the Sounds lost 11-1. Hopefully it was just nerves and he'll settle down in his next start.
- The Brewers spent $1.2 million signing Kentrail Davis, well over slot value for his pick, but it could have been much worse: The Biz of Baseball noted that Davis' deal was about 42% over slot, the lowest percentage among Scott Boras clients who signed on deadline day.
- Brewerfan.net has a new Power 50 with Alcides Escobar moving into the #1 spot and most of the 2009 draft picks being slotted in. (FanShot)
- The Tuscaloosa News has a look at the negotiation process with 15th round pick Del Howell, who at one point said he was "90% sure" he was returning to Alabama next season.
- The Brevard County Manatees continue to have a successful season: They have the fourth best winning percentage in all of minor league baseball, according to Baseball America.
- Timber Rattlers reliever Nick Tyson is the prospect of the week over at Between the Green Pillars.
- Beyond the Box Score moved the Brewers up one spot from 24 to 23 in their rankings.
- MLB FanHouse dropped the Brewers one spot to 20th.
- CoolStandings gives the Brewers a 1.2% chance of making the playoffs.
- MLB Playoff Odds gives them .6%.
Speaking of people we don't like much around here, Jason Kendall received one fifth place vote in Dugout Central's poll asking for former stars who are playing their way out of the big leagues.
Around baseball:
Dodgers: Signed Vicente Padilla.
Indians: Placed Trevor Crowe on the DL with an oblique strain.
Rangers: Placed Eddie Guardado on the DL with knee inflammation.
Reds: Placed Johnny Cueto (shoulder inflammation) and Willy Taveras (strained quad) on the DL.
At FanGraphs, R.J. Anderson looks at the Dodgers' decision to sign Vicente Padilla and wonders if they made the wrong decision when they traded Claudio Vargas to the Brewers. Vargas has turned out to be a useful arm in the bullpen, but wouldn't have been stretched out enough to fill a vacancy in the rotation for the Dodgers.
Sometimes you just have to take a step back and be happy for what you have. The 2009 Brewers may be a disappointment, but the team continues to invest in the future, signing all of this year's high draft picks. The Blue Jays, meanwhile, have fallen out of contention, dealt Alex Rios and Scott Rolen to free up money, and still let three of their top four draft picks walk away. Things are going to get worse before they get better in Toronto. Maybe much worse.
The Royals are 47-73, in last place in the AL Central and in the conversation for baseball's worst record. Yet somehow, they've almost made it through the entire season without a single player making their major league debut. One would think that will change in September, but the fact that it hasn't changed yet is pretty surprising.
Earlier this week Jason Marquis was brought up as a potential free agent signing for the Brewers this offseason. If the Brewers plan to pursue him, they'll also need to purchase a copy of Connect Four, because that's apparently how he prepares for starts.
On this day in 1992, the Brewers tagged David Wells for 13 earned runs on eleven hits and five walks in 4.1 innings en route to a 16-3 victory over the Blue Jays. Six Brewers had multiple hits, but John Jaha had the only home run.
Happy birthday today to Nick Green, who turns 25, and Tom Brunansky, who hit .187/.263/.317 as a Brewer in 1993 and 1994 and turns 49.
Oh, and I consider myself somewhat of a mac and cheese expert, but I don't get how this is even possible.
Drink up.
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Does this mean the Pirates have to give Hall a contract?
Or does he just still play under the one he was with us? Im not sure how that works. Assuming he doesnt have to sign a new one, I would have thought we could have gotten a little more. Lets say a deal didn’t work out, some team would have picked him up for this season and the next for an amount probably pretty close to the $1.75M we are saving. From the Pirates perspective, they paid the same amount they would have (but to us rather him if this doesnt necessitate a new contract) and got the exclusive right to him rather than having to fit for other teams…all for the extra cost of a A level pitcher? Just seems like we could have sweaked a little bit more out.
by LosinCatmansLove on Aug 20, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions
Well, he went to the Seattle Mariners, so the Pirates aren't involved at all in the trade
But I can’t really answer your question more than that
CounsellWSMVP10!
I'm a little confused by your comment
Hall was picked up by the Mariners, not the Pirates.
He’ll play under his existing contract for this year and next, but the cash the Brewers are sending the Mariners as part of the deal will cover most of it – the Mariners are footing at least $1.3 million, but the Brewers are sending the Mariners cash up front to use to pay the rest.
As for getting more, I think Melvin was happy to get much of anything. In this deal, he’s effectively getting a low level minor leaguer and $1.3 million in cash for a .200 hitting third baseman.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I’ll give him props for getting something, but a 25yo rhp who seems to not be able to get beyond high a ball is pretty disheartening.
I would have rather had more cash..
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I should probably do a full post on this, but here's the bullet points on the guy instead:
1) Yes he is 25 years old, but he missed most of last season due to injury, so there’s a little forgiveness there. He spent 2006 with the Timber Rattlers, 2007 at High Desert, and has split this season between High Desert and Clinton.
2) He’s been effective for Clinton, posting a 2.30 ERA in 43 relief innings. He’s struggled at High Desert, but every pitcher struggles at High Desert. The park factor last season was 1.16, where 1 is average, and the park factor for home runs was 1.24.
3) The fact that he’s 25 years old and in A ball means he hasn’t progressed as fast as the Mariners would like, but also that they saw enough value in him to hold on to him. If his problem was a lack of talent, the Mariners would have cut him after a couple of shots in A ball.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by Kyle Lobner on Aug 20, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm assuming
the Ms are on the hook for Hall’s 2011 option.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
If he wasn't traded
Another team could pick him up for the pro-rated portion of the league minimum salary of $400,000. The Brewers would be on the hook for the rest. Next year, they would also pay $400,000. I’m not sure how the buyout works.
The reason that he was traded is probably because multiple teams were interested in him. In order to assure that they could get him, the Mariners gave up a little cash and a lwo level prospect.
Or maybe Jack Z. broke Doug Melvin’s window..
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Exactly.
If a deal doesn’t get done, the Brewers end up releasing Hall, and they get nothing in return. A minor leaguer (even one who may not ever be in MLB) and freeing up some of Hall’s contract is probably the best anyone could hope for.
As far as the buyout, that’s Seattle’s problem now.
i'm now considering going to DC
i originally took tomorrow and monday off so i could go to DC, spend some quality time with the sister, and catch the brewers series. then i decided it was expensive, but still had those days off.
now flights are $150 round-trip (cheaper than a train) AND TICKETS ARE $1?!?!
might have to do that after all…
get on the plane even bad Brewers Nats baseball is better than sitting at home
You can check the new park in DC off your life to do list and hopefully you will see a Brewers win.
I have had really good luck with the Crew winning on the road when I go see them not so good at Miller Park.
The Cult of Cameron Live it Love it never question your love for our Center Fielder.
Greatest Brewers to ever lace them up.
Question that has to be asked with Hall
Do you think he was using PED’s during the seasons before his big contract I was a huge Hall Fan when he was the Super Sub and than he had that one “career” year. Then his avg. and power fell like a Led Zeppelin
Sad that it had to end this way but based on his performance over the last two years I am glad that were able to move him.
Now how many more games till I am free of Cammy and Kendall?
The Cult of Cameron Live it Love it never question your love for our Center Fielder.
Greatest Brewers to ever lace them up.
I haven't looked at HR/FB ratios
but I’m guessing the drop in HRs is directly related to the lack in avg, which is directly linked to his lack of AB.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Wow
It’s entirely possible that he was.
(BA/)(HR)/(HR/FB)
2005 – .291/17/12.4% 501 AB
2006 – .270/35/19.4% 537 AB
2007 – .254/14/10.3% 452 AB
2008 – .225/15/ 13.2% 404 AB
2009 – .201/ 6/ 9.8% 214 AB
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
http://www.brewcrewball.com/2008/11/23/668593/what-happened-to-bill-hall
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
looks like Twitter is down again
which means no THwitter updates… WAAAH!!!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
For those who didn't see the minor league notes, Chris Capuano pitched for the AZL Brewers last night.
Got lit up in one inning but he’s throwing, so that’s cool. Hasn’t pitched for a year and a half.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
hardicourt
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/brewers/53751037.html
i dont like the way he wrote this. someone just skimming for quotes might read that as a real quote. i guess tom thinks he can read mike cameron’s mind.
Cameron chose his words carefully, but you got the impression he wanted to shout out, “How could we get swept by that awful team?”
So was it a good move to let him go?
The Brewers didn’t really have a place for him on the roster when the season started, but have been struggling to fill 3B all season, especially since Weeks went down. And Macha was absolutely committed to Hall for the first month of the year so Branyan would’ve been a pinch-hitter.
So, with the benefit of hindsight, should the Brewers have made a stronger push to retain Branyan? McGehee almost definitely wouldn’t have gotten a shot on the major league roster, right?
The argument earlier this season was
that Branyan was responding to his full-time role and stepping it up. So it’s unclear whether he would have put up these kind of rate-stat numbers with limited playing time.
I always liked the guy, though, and was sad to see him go (again!).
Well
If the Brewers knew he’d hit 30-35 home runs playing full time, I’m pretty sure they would have found a way to keep him.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I think they had an idea...
Look at his numbers in limited playing time for the Brewers in 2008…
132 ABs, 33 Hs, 12 HRs.
I think it was more that they really didn’t see a need for Branyan with McGehee, Hall and Counsell on the roster, as well as Gamel a call-up away.
BTW, Branyan has really cooled off since the July 1st… his BA is now only .254.
I can't remember
Was Branyan gone before we acquired McGehee?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
He was granted free agency
November 1st, 2008 and then signed with the Mariners on December 3rd, so yes.
CounsellWSMVP10!
Well...
It’s not like Branyan gave them much reason to keep him around. In the 11 seasons he was in MLB, his career BA was barely over .230. Yes, he had power… everyone knew that, but he just didn’t make contact that often… kind of like Rob Deer.
Yes, in hindsight, they should’ve kept him, but I doubt if anyone thought that Weeks would end up on the DL early in the season and Hall’s numbers would fall even further. Like you said, they really didn’t have a place for him on the roster… particularly with him limited to playing 3B or 1B.






























