Friday's Frosty Mug
All told, it was a pretty boring off day, so the biggest news might be Bill Hall's comments upon joining the Mariners this week. Hall said he tried too hard to live up to his big contract. He gave this quote to Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times, and it's halfway between laughable and sad:
"I can still hit righthanders," Hall said with a laugh. "I can hit anybody. It's one of those things where, if you say something so long, you might even start believing it yourself."Since the start of the 2007 season, Hall has faced a righty 683 times and hit .206/.271/.353. If he doesn't recognize a problem there, how is he ever going to figure it out?
Meanwhile, the picture in this Miller Park Drunk post raises what might be the greatest unanswered question regarding Hall: How does a guy who constantly has a giant wad of chew in his mouth keep his teeth that white?
Now that we know Bill Hall will never reach the 200 mark as a Brewer, this streak may live on for a long time: Chris Jaffe of The Hardball Times notes that it's been 18 years since a Brewer had 200 hits, with Paul Molitor being the last to get there in 1991. Since then, 28 other teams have had at least one hitter do it. Ryan Braun enters play today with 145, so he'd need to play every day the rest of the way and hit roughly .327 to get the 55 hits he needs to get there. Braun, Fielder (134) and Mike Cameron (102) are the only Brewers with 100 hits on the season.
Of course, if Felipe Lopez (hitting .333/.398/.459 as a Brewer) was able to stretch his performance out over a full season, he'd easily reach 200. Jorge Says No! has a profile of Lopez, who can become a free agent after the season, and thinks he'll get a four year deal worth around $30 million from someone.
It's possible Prince Fielder could get there someday too. He credits improved patience at the plate for the impressive season he's putting together.
How ugly have things gotten for the Brewers? Casa de Machado threw in the towel on the 2009 season yesterday...on an off day.
And, as it turns out, getting Jeff Suppan back might not make things any better. Suppan was lit up again in AAA last night, allowing five earned runs on eight hits in just 3.2 innings. If he can make it through five innings in his big league return without pitching the Brewers out of the game, I'll be shocked.
The Brewers' second half collapse has turned up the heat on Doug Melvin, with a small but vocal percentage of fans calling for his head. If things stay this ugly, he might decide to look for a new opportunity, and Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun wants him to be the next President of the Blue Jays.
Adam McCalvy spent the day off on the farm, and has a great story on Mike Jones and Mark Rogers, as the two former highly touted prospects continue their rebound from injuries that have devastated their early careers.
On power rankings and playoff odds:
- Yahoo moved the Brewers down a spot to 20th in their rankings.
- Even though they were off yesterday, MLB Playoff Odds downgraded the Brewers to a .4% shot at making the playoffs.
Mets: Designated Livan Hernandez for assignment.
Orioles: Claimed pitcher Chris Lambert off waivers from the Tigers.
Padres: Traded reliever Scott Patterson to the A's for cash, and signed reliever Rocky Cherry to a minor league deal.
Red Sox: Released outfielder Chris Duncan.
With the Reds out of the playoff hunt for 2009, the youth movement has come on in full force: At one point last night, the eight Reds position players on the field combined to make $3.235 million, just $35,000 above the minimum possible. They beat the Giants 2-1.
One by one, every team in baseball is getting an opportunity to learn why the others have been so happy to be rid of Gary Sheffield. Sheffield requested a contract extension from the Mets yesterday, and when they declined to offer one he asked to be taken out of the lineup for last night's game. Adam Rubin thinks the Mets should bench Sheffield until September 1, then release him when it's too late for him to make a postseason roster.
I doubt there's any other long-standing matchup in baseball that's this close: The Dodgers beat the Cubs last night, and now lead them 1015-1014 in their all-time series. (h/t True Blue LA)
The Dodgers found a way to win last night without Claudio Vargas, but you can add Mike Scioscia's Tragic Illness to the list of Dodger fans who wish they hadn't traded him for Vinny Rottino.
Add Major League Baseball to the list of sports working to take concussions more seriously. Brian Costa of the Newark Star-Ledger has a great read on some of the advancements in treatment of concussions, and the steps being taken to protect players who have had one.
Without the internet, we probably never would have known: Plunk Everyone says Brendan Ryan's grand slam last night was the only slam in 2009 hit with two men on base who reached via HBP.
On this day in 1982, Rollie Fingers pitched the last two innings of the Brewers' 3-2 win over the Mariners, becoming the first pitcher ever to record 300 saves. If Trevor Hoffman sticks around for one more season, the Brewers could also have the first pitcher to reach 600.
Happy birthday today to Craig Counsell, who turns 39, Lou Collier, who played in 138 games for the Brewers between 1999 and 2001 and turns 36, and John Henry Johnson, who appeared in 29 games as a Brewer in 1986 and 1987 and turns 53.
Drink up.
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any chance we can keep Suppan on the DL for longer?
I means really, he’s been lit up by hitters throughout the minor leagues, why would we put him in a position to be lit up when the games actually count?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
and last night is a definite indicator of what he'd do at the MLB level
I only saw his line last night. This morning, I saw the box score. Nashville was playing Sacramento. If you take a look at the Sacramento roster, it’s essentially “Oakland Athletics, Part II”—most of those players have had major league experience or have been riding the Sacramento to Oakland Guys With Options shuttle for most of 2009.
So, that’s Soup pitching against a rather crappy AL team. I suppose it’s lucky that they were playing in Nashville and not in any of the high-altitude and dry PCL west parks.
Huh?
Did we trade him to the Yankees?
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Ah, okay
We can’t let Craigers suffer the injustice of retiring without a 3rd ring…just wouldn’t be right for someone with a distinguished career like his.
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He is!
Let it be known, I was never trying to say he’s not awesome; what seems like sarcasm above was actually very sincere.
I even wrote a blog post a while back about how Counsell’s been an ever-present awesome part of my baseball fan existence.
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I don't agree to that
I actually couldn’t stand counsell for a long time. Then, I sat next to his father-in-law on a flight to vegas earlier this year, and now I kind of have a soft spot for him. Turns out he’s a big horse gambler, too.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He's definitely having a career year...
but you’re right, I wouldn’t classify that as being “awesome”.
'11 Rotation
Gallardo, Parra, Rogers, Jones, Bush….Here’s hoping…again.
he'll be too busy
removing my foot from his rear end
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
on the way out of town that is
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Cheers for explaining
For a moment I thought it was a bizarre fetish thing between you and Soup…
"I hope your name is Rick"
only on thursdays
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
obviously wednesdays were taken
since he conducts all his restaurant business on that day
"This one means 'Kill Kirk!!!!'... And also, 'hallelujah'... Depending on the context."
by trippingandy on Aug 21, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So last night I'm watching my DVR-ed Packers/Browns preseason game
And the Braunophile asks me, “Daddy, why does Brett Favre play for the Vikings now?”
How do you explain “ego” in terms a 6-year-old will understand?
"because he's a buttmunch"
would work just fine.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Aug 21, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Based on Favre's childish behavior over the last year and a half ...
I’d think a six-year-old would be able to identify with Brett very readily.
When I read what I wrote again,
I realized: Comparing Favre to a six-year-old is insulting to the six-year-old.
My apologies to Li’l Brew Angel.
My kid would resent that...
but he’s too busy listening to me explain what a “buttmunch” is
"I hope your name is Rick"
I understand that Packer fans feel scorned
and that Favre is a PR nightmare for himself and others, but why does everyone think it’s ego? To me, it’s the 25 million dollars that some idiot team wants to pay him. Sure, he’s made millions of dollars, but surely not so much that he can just turn down 25 million.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
should a man turn down 25 mil so he won’t hurt his former fan base’s feelings? If CC Signed with the Cubs because they offered 60 Mil more, would we be pissed at him?
And though none of us are professional atheletes (and no, beer pong does not count Dikembe/Archeron), it’s not so much of a stretch to continue to do the thing you love most in life as a profession until no one wants to pay you to do it anymore.
Seriously guys, the indignacy is ridiculous and really, we have the better QB right now. this isn’t 1996 anymore.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Forget CC - Use Robin
If after Robin Yount retired, half way into spring training of 1994 he says to himself – I still want to play to stick it to Wendy Selig and he goes and signs with the Indians (or whoever our rival at the time was) Yeah there are going to be a lot of pissed off people in Milwaukee and Yount would not have the staying power with the fan base that he enjoys today.
by Saberilliterate on Aug 21, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm retired from beer pong
I only play once in a while. Gotta let other people win once in a while, ya know?
Imagine the Brewers offense without Bill Hall. Wait. What?
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Aug 21, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If money was the only reason, then I don't think anyone would care.
But the fact of the matter is that Favre’s comments during the offseason support that Favre is playing for the Vikings because he wants to stick it to Ted Thompson. I’m no Thompson fan, but the whole Thompson vs. Favre thing IS a battle of egos.
I’m willing to bet that Favre would have been willing to play for half that amount if given the chance to start against the Packers.
Reminds me of Colbert
“Just us not by what we do, but by what we WOULD do.”
I’m willing to bet that Favre would have been willing to play for half that amount if given the chance to start against the Packers.
Guessing at someone’s motivations, especially someone as obviously conflicted as Favre, is a losing game. You can choose to believe the worst about him, or you can accept the obvious answer. He’s an who can’t let go of what he once was, and he has been handsomely paid to come back and play twice now. Sure, he doesn’t like Ted Thompson, but Ted Thompson treated him like shit. I don’t remember Ron Wolf going to Reggie White every January/February and demanding a commitment to play the next year.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
How is that "treating him like shit"?
Is it too much to ask a player who’s nearing the end of his career whether or not he’s going to be around next season? The team does have to figure out what their priorities are and what holes need to be filled.
I don’t think Reggie White ever strung the Packers (or the Eagles) along until shortly before preseason.
BTW, publicly stating that he wants to “stick it” to Ted Thompson is a bit more than simply not liking him.
yes
It is asking too much. If Thompson wanted him gone, he could have released him. Instead, he created this farce every year where he kept putting the onus on Favre to decide almost immediately after the season ended. And, Favre’s kind of an idiot, and managed to make himself look even worse. And the national media love Favre, so they gave him all kinds of teevee time to hang himself with.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
why shouldn't he know right after the season is done if he wants to go through another season?
what’s so hard about that decision? shouldn’t the front office have a right to know if the guy wants to play any more? They have a contract with him to play and they want to know if they should give him a new contract to play.
What’s the problem?
by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 21, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it was ever about a new contract
And I think there’s a deadline somewhere around may/june where a guy can retire and the team doesn’t have to take a cap hit.
I’m retiring from this. Unlike Favre, I won’t be drawn back :)
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know that they asked him to decide immediately after the season.
They wanted him to decide before the draft, for sure, because they needed to know whether they needed to look at quarterbacks. But it’s not like they were asking him to decide a week after the season ended.
There's generally a lot of correlation between ego and money
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Also
Favre admitted last year that he wanted to go to the Vikings, at least in part, to get back at Ted Thompson.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Favre says a lot of things
And also doesn’t say a lot of things that are attributed to him. (Full disclosure – I’m a Bears fan, and happy to have him back in the division so Urlacher can continue to feast on INTs).
I think the obvious and easy answer is that Favre has been offered a bunch of money to keep coming back, and that he just can’t let go of what he once was. He loves the image of himself as the gunslinger having fun out there. Like every top athlete, he has an ego. If I’m going to take a stab at his primary motivation, though….it’s gonna be the money. Getting back at Ted Thompson is just icing on the cake (and again, I think Ted Thompson is a dick, and that he started pushing Favre out the door the day he arrived in Green Bay).
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Brett does not strike me as a person whose primary motivation for any kind of work.
As he could have just as easily accepted more offers to be in commercials which he has been known to turn down many of these offers. It would not be unreasonable to derive from this that money is not the primary motivation for playing for the Vikings, e.g. revenge, desire to win a Super Bowl, etc.
One thing we agree on...
Thompson wanting to push Favre (and anyone else who was there before he was GM) out the door.
Like I said, it was a battle of egos…
Thompson not willing to cater to Favre to show who’s in charge
AND
Favre not willing to back down from Thompson
I envisioned that Favre’s first retirement came to pass because Thompson called Favre’s bluff.
Favre: You should’ve really listened to my advice and get Randy Moss.
Thompson: I’m the GM, Brett… just focus on your job.
Favre: I single-handedly brought the Packers back into contention long before you got here… I think I know a thing or two about winning.
Thompson: That may be true, but you’re nearing the end of your career… you won’t be here for much longer. Look at how you did during the NFC Championship game.
Favre: If you want, It can be sooner rather than later.
Thompson: Whatever, just let me know when you’re ready to retire, so we can move on.
Favre: I can be ready to retire right now if you want.
Thompson: Do what you got to do.
Favre: Really? You’re willing to let me retire… the face of the Packers?
Thompson: Do what you got to do.
ha, yeah
They’re both dicks, actually. I suppose Packer fans are rallying around Thompson because he’s still in the organization. Still, I don’t think Favre is even or spiteful, just dumb.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Not all fans...
support Thompson… there’s a pretty good division in the Packer nation of Favre fans and Thompson fans.
As I said previously, even if Favre hates Thompson and the way he’s running the team, he could have easily handled the situation differently and made himself look like the “good guy”. Maybe there is something about him being “just dumb”.
use my coworker's answer
“Because the Vikings have an obsession with quarterbacks at the end of their careers.”
I’d add “Aaron Rodgers will play the whole season, too.”
That was the danger last year
I didn’t think Rodgers could last a whole season. Ended up being a really good choice.
Another reason why it should be easy to let Favre go. The Packers have the better QB, by far.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks like Billy
is still the first person to congratulate a teammate on a home run when they reach the dugout
"my goodness"
Billy's a good teammate
Unless your idea of a good teammate is one who’s good at baseball, thereby helping your team win.
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Corporan was DFA'd
Colome is on the DL with Forearm soreness. Narveson is back in the majors.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Trade Melvin
Trade Doug to the Jays for cash considerations and a prospect… or what ever we can get.
I really wouldn’t be sad to see him go buh-bye…
by Saberilliterate on Aug 21, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions
too late. you've got no viable replacement. Needed to replace Melvin before JZ took another job. now what're you gonna do?
Hire Jeff Sackmann
I heard he’ll work cheap
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
If that's the case
Then someone should hire me. I’ll work cheap, and I’ll pay Jeff whatever he wants to consult.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
He could hold 2 press conferences
1 to say, I traded me.
1 to say, I traded for me.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
All of you talking about Brett Favre
Didn’t you read the site tagline?
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I respectfully disagree
But I may start rambling about my new team, the Mariners.
by Marty McSuperFly on Aug 21, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I was just trying to pass along a cute Braunophile anecdote
But I figured that the subset of Brewer fans who are also Packer fans – and would therefore have strong opinions about the situation – was fairly substantial.
And besides, it’s more fun than discussing our ever-dwindling playoff odds.



































