Latest Elias Rankings
by roguejim on Aug 22, 2009 5:03 PM CDT
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Here are the latest Elias rankings for all players, though I'll only list the free agents-to-be. Although the rankings will surely change a little over the next 6 weeks, we should have a good idea what to expect in terms of FA compensation.
- Jason Kendall, B, 62,554 (bottom of the Bs)
- Mike Cameron, B, 63.66 (mid-B)
- Frank Catalanotto, no compensation
- Jason Bourgeois, no compensation
- Felipe Lopez, B, 66.19 (very high B)
- Craig Counsell, no compensation
- Braden Looper, B, 66.83 (mid-B)
- Trevor Hoffman, A, 78,93 (mid-A)
- Claudio Vargas, none
Two thoughts jump out at me:
- I say we offer Jason Kendall arbitration, but tell him he will not get a single at-bat if he accepts. :)
- Lopez is very, very close to an A, within 1 point of A status.
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Make sure Lopez finishes the year strong...
Offer arb to Cameron, Lopez, and Hoffman and only offer to Looper if we wont accept. There is no way Kendall would be worth the money he would get from arb.
If the brewers have an A and 2 B type free agents that would be great. Also give us flexability to sign free agents.
by buschoid on Aug 22, 2009 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
finishing with a record in the bottom half of the league will give us flexibility
then we won’t have to give up a 1st rounder to sign an A free agent
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Aug 22, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really - What Type A??
What Type A do you want to sign?? I keep hearing about how we can sign a Type A, but which one? And why?
As I watched last nights game, I realized that the Brewers are YoGa away from being the Nationals. We have no pitching and nothing in the high minors. We need pitching or we can’t b expected to be a contender. Looking at the Elias list, there is absolutely no Type A that I would be willing to give a Type A contract to.
Rich Harden is about only person I would consider a short term affordable contract with, but otherwise there isn’t a Type A starter that stands out at me and will be affordable.
by Saberilliterate on Aug 23, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean
that Gallardo is worth 17.5 games in the standings?
by oconnobe on Aug 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
First off
John Lackey ain’t half bad, but that’s neither here nor there. Secondly, we have more than just starting pitcher as a hole on this team. Next year, we will have holes at CF, C, and in the bullpen as well. The fact is that it’s not just SP where we need help. So yes, Type A FAs flexibility will help. So go over the list and tell me where you would start.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Aug 23, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind John Lackey or Randy Wolf (although his contract will be inflated). But really, what’s out there for C, or CF?
Type A Catchers: Molina, Martinez, Varitek (High Type B),
Type A Center Fielders: Crawford (club option), Damon (Yankees want to keep him)
Type A Relief Pitchers: Octavio Dotel, Darren Oliver, Fernando Rodney (High Type B), Valverde, Gonzalez, Soriano, Wagner, Franklin, Gregg, Grabow, Hawkins, Miller.
I can’t imagine us signing a type A Catcher or CF. It would be nice to have the option of signing a type A reliever. If we have the money left over after signing SP, it could make a lot of sense to go after a Type A RP.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Aug 23, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming we don’t make a play for Cameron… Ok lets add CF to the list – which available Type A CF do you want??? As TCY said – there isn’t one that will be available. Crawfords option will be picked up if only for the Rays to trade him and I sure as hell don’t want Johnny Damon and his Ramon Noodle arm patrolling CF
The BIGGEST hole we have is starting pitching. which negatively effects our bull pen. Bull pens are not worth sinking gobs of money into i.e. Gagne, & Riske.
Parra has shown that he is not ready for the role of #2 or #3. Dave Bush is a cheaper slightly better version of Jeff Suppan. And we have no one in AAA that has earned ‘gotta promote him’ spot in the rotation for next year… if there were they would already be here.
I wouldn’t mind a John Lackey but given the very limited supply of Type A FA SP – his price is going to be high.
Here is the list of Type A FA SP
John Lacky
Rich Harden
Randy Wolf
Type B FA SP
Andy Pettite
Erik Bedard
Justin Durschereereereereer
Jarrord Washburn
Randy Johnson
Joel Pineiro
Doug Davis
Jason Marquis
Todd Wellemeyer
Nobody on that list sticks out at me screaming “sign me” “offer me the moon” ala CC. We don’t have the second coming of Dave Duncan on our staff, so I would expect drop offs from Joel Pineiro and Todd Wellemeyer. Andy Pettite and Randy Johnson should retire. Doug Davis… ehh… but certainly not at what he is making now… and because of his career year, some GM will be foolish enough give him 4-5 years @ 10M a season (ala Jeff Suppan). Erik Beddard, Justin Durscherererererer & Jarrod Washburn have been talked about enough here & given recent history, I wouldn’t be willing to go more than 2 years on any of them. Rich Harden is about the only one that I see as the upside being worth the risk of his china dollisms.
There simply is no Type A (that we have a need for) out there that is screaming sign me.
by Saberilliterate on Aug 24, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who says Type A has to be SP?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Aug 24, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To quote you from the second comment of the thread...
finishing with a record in the bottom half of the league will give us flexibility then we won’t have to give up a 1st rounder to sign an A free agent
by Saberilliterate on Aug 24, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but a SP?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Aug 24, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
Name another Type A off the list that a) fills a need that justifies signing a Type A (CF or SP) and b) is a realistic signing for the Brewers – especially given Payroll limitations.
There isn’t a Type A out there that fills a need for us and is signable by us – therefore you whole point of ‘being under .500 means we don’t have to give up a 1st rounder’ means exactly zero and brings no silver lining to the ‘we suck team of 2009’
by Saberilliterate on Aug 24, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's start off with
Benji Molina, Possibly Carl Crawford if his option isn’t exercised (with the Rays, is a very real possibility), Jose Valverde, Rafael Soriano, Mike Gonzalez, Billy Wagner just to name a few
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Aug 24, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You gotta get off the Carl Crawford kick. His $10M option will probably be picked up even if he is to be traded… much like so many people wanted to with Mike Cameron last winter.
And he doesn’t solve the CF problem – right field ok, but certainly not CF. He has played all of 54 games over 8 seasons in center field and baseball reference projects his CF defense at -5.3 runs for a full season.
IF his contract isn’t picked up by Tampa a) the GM for the Rays should be fired and then put in stocks for Rays fans to throw rotten fruit at and then b) someone will give him a Carlos Lee/Carlos Beltran type contract… 7yrs/100M The Brewers wont even be in the running for a player of that cost (in 2010 anyway)
Benji Molina – You mean the Jason Kendall of the Molina clan. I hear he calls a great game. He is 34 years old and well past his prime – yet because he calls a good game some moron (and it better not be Doug Melvin) will give him a 3 year $15M contract – no thanks. I would rather have Angel & Mike Rivera behind the dish.
Billy Wagner – really… really… Billy Wagner is the American born Eric Gagne. He has done great this year in both games that he has pitched. Oh yeah and he has a team option for 2010 – If the Mets decline the $8M option, what makes you think that he is signable for what we can afford?
Jose Valverde & Rafael Soriano – would be nice pick ups – if we could afford them or be stupid enough to give them the long term contracts that they are going to demand on the market… but neither solve the problem that we have – starting pitching.
All of our problems began this year when our starting pitching faltered. Bush went down, Suppan went down and we had no depth to replace them. That is what caused all of our bull pen issues. Bull pens are cheap and should continued to be cobbled together. The money needs to be spent on staring pitching.
by Saberilliterate on Aug 24, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we need starting pitching
but that won’t fix EVERYTHING that is wrong with this team. That’s my point, so Type A Flexibility helps with this problem.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Aug 25, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if Doug Melvin agrees with you, then you're right.
Otherwise…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 24, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something is seriously wrong with a compensation system that equates Mike Cameron with Jason Kendall
It’s really time to stop lumping in CFs and corner outfielders. Also helpful would be straight up evaluation based on wOBA runs and ERA runs, with defense factored in.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Aug 22, 2009 11:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Loopers doesn't really matter.
Since he has an option, if the Brewers decline the option they can’t offer him arbitration. It’s either pick up his option for another year or let him go. If I were making the decisions, I would offer arbitration to everyone except Kendall (and I certainly wouldn’t pick up Loopers option).
by NoahJ on Aug 23, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kendall
Just suggest he would be a backup next year if he accepts. I suspect he still believes a team would give him a starting role.
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by TheJay on Aug 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Heh, Marco Scutaro is a Type A free agent
He might regret not taking arbitration (if offered and spurned) because who will want to give up a 1st round pick for him, even with this really good season at age 33?
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by TheJay on Aug 23, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Explain please
Does anyone have a link that does a good job explaing the whole Type A/B free agents and what it all means?
by LosinCatmansLove on Aug 25, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here
MLB Trade Rumors covers the basics.
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by TheJay on Aug 25, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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