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What you missed if you went to sleep…

 

(Like I did, only to be awoken by the post-game show to realize I'd missed a lot!)

Sure, the Brewers lost 17-4 and that sucks and is also really embarrassing (it was the most runs by the Dodgers at home since 1979), but the bigger story is the inexplicable drilling of Prince Fielder in the top of the 9th with two out.

Former Brewer Guillermo Mota was on the mound. The Dodgers were up 13 runs and had one out to go and HAD A PITCHER WARMING IN THE BULLPEN.

Then Mota drills Fielder in the leg and immediately heads towards the dugout, with a bit of a chest puff out, glaring and generally preening.

The theory is that it was "payback" for hitting Manny Ramirez earlier in the game. Of course, Manny was grazed across the chest/belly on an inside pitch from Chris "Not really known for his accuracy and control" Smith. Chris "Only comes in the game when we're really, really out of it" Smith, people!

The weird thing about payback HBP is that they usually don't come in the same game. If it had happened tomorrow, we probably wouldn't have thought too much about it, other than that it's a little weird to get all up in arms when a crappy pitcher has no control and hits a batter.

But to have a former teammate go out there with that kind of lead and throw at a guy - from someone like Joe Torre - that really is a head-scratcher. From the post-game commentary, I'm not the only one who thinks it's a really out-of-character move.

Macha was REAL feisty in the post-game interview, telling a reporter to back up and that he wouldn't talk about the beaning until after he'd talked about the game, which he did.

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Said reporter was then told to ask his question.

Macha asked where he was from and the reporter said "here."

The reporter asked if Macha had any comment on the "other shenanigans," calling Prince "Cecil" in the process.

Macha had started to answer and then interrupted himself and corrected the guy, asking who he worked for.

The reporter said "AP."

Macha then pointed out that Prince "is an All-Star. Won the Home Run Derby," implying that the guy should probably know who he is. 

The reporter goes on to ask if it's about where the ball hit him and said "it's baseball."

Macha snapped back at him "what's baseball?"

The reporter said "well, two of their guys get hit and then they come back and hit one of yours?"

Macha: "We're not trying to hit anybody, ok? We're not trying to hit anybody. We're losing by 13 runs. We're trying to get 24 outs, ok? We're not trying to hit anybody. Uh, that type of mentality I think, uh, should be taken care of. Um. We'll see what happens. But uh, as far as I'm concerned, the guy just hit him, hit him on purpose and walked straight off the mound into the dugout."

A few minutes later, in response to a question about Prince's reaction -

Macha: "I don't blame him. Everybody's trying to make a living. He is. And, uh, like I said, this kind of mentality puts everyone in jeopardy. Myself, the other team, the players for the other team, uh so, you know giving a guy a $500 fine and a two day suspension is not enough. This type of stuff should be cleaned up."

Another Reporter: "Ken, we usually don't see incidents like after something like this happened. Prince had to be restrained by his teammates or...."

Macha: "Ah, he ah, o, he ran over there and they weren't going to let him in and everybody came back. So I don't know if you can restrain Prince. I don't think I can. I don't think there's anyone else out there that can."

Another Reporter: "Will he play tomorrow?"

Macha: "Will Prince play tomorrow, I'm sure he's going to want to play, yeah."

Reporter: "That's not what I asked - will he play tomorrow?"

Macha:  "Will he play tomorrow, yeah, he's been in every game, why wouldn't he play?"

After the game, BA and Bill mentioned the convergence of police and security at the tunnel next to the Dodgers dugout and a few minutes later passed on that they were told no cameras were being allowed underneath the stadium, so I'm sure that's what Macha was talking about here.

Drew Olsen said they were told a medical emergency occurred with a fan immediately post-game and that there were ambulances converging, which is where the no cameras, security thing came from.

 

Edit: The LA Times story on the game doesn't mention the hoopla at all.

Here's the AP story on the event, presumably from the above AP reporter.

A writer with the same name as the author of the AP story posted here, focusing much more on the post-game actions.

From that post: Prince Fielder was stopped by security at the Dodgers’ clubhouse door after the furious Milwaukee slugger attempted to challenge reliever Guillermo Mota, who hit him with a pitch in the ninth inning of Los Angeles’ 17-4 victory over the Brewers on Tuesday night.

Mota hit Fielder with two outs, apparently in retaliation for a pitch that hit Dodgers slugger Manny Ramirez in the seventh inning of Los Angeles’ highest-scoring home performance in 30 years. Home plate umpire Marvin Hudson immediately ejected Mota, who slowly left the field while Fielder voiced his anger.

When the game ended, Fielder charged through the underground tunnels at Dodger Stadium to the door of the home clubhouse, shouting obscenities with many fellow Brewers trailing behind. Several security guards and teammates Bill Hall and Casey McGehee prevented Fielder from entering the locker room in search of Mota.

Fielder had calmed down moments later, but his actions set up a potentially explosive series finale Wednesday night.

“He came inside. It just got away from him,” Fielder said. “It happens. That’s baseball. He tried to come inside.”

When asked about his postgame march to the other side, he deadpanned: “I don’t remember that.”

Most of the Dodgers didn’t know about Fielder’s actions, since their locker room door is at least 30 feet from the clubhouse. They had plenty of their own anger after Brewers reliever Chris Smith hit Ramirez when the Dodgers had a nine-run lead in the seventh.

“It’s just part of the game,” catcher Russell Martin said of Mota’s pitch. “Our premier hitter gets hit, and he gets protection. I understand (Fielder) is frustrated, but you don’t take care of that after the game.

“We don’t want the same situation as last year in the playoffs, when Philly threw at Manny and we didn’t retaliate,” Martin added, referring to last fall’s NL championship series against the Phillies. “We don’t want to be known as a team that doesn’t have each other’s backs.”

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I dunno about the team...

But I’m certainly fired up after this.

by andrew_p on Aug 5, 2009 1:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I can imagine that the whole Brewers team is ready for tomorrow’s game already.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why you fired up?

cause fat boy got hit? How many Dodgers were hit by your pitchers?

Think Blue

by boxhead on Aug 5, 2009 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was even after Ramirez was hit

So does that mean Fielder was hit in retaliation for Pierre?

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Our pitchers suck and really didn’t mean to. You’re the best team in baseball and hit our player intentionally.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was odd.

Starting a bean war with 2 outs in the 9th, up by 13 runs. Not the classiest move.

by Zorakathura on Aug 5, 2009 1:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

agreed

very strange move by torre…

by shaqfor3 on Aug 5, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly?
"We don’t want the same situation as last year in the playoffs, when Philly threw at Manny and we didn’t retaliate," Martin added, referring to last fall’s NL championship series against the Phillies. "We don’t want to be known as a team that doesn’t have each other’s backs."

I think someone’s hormones are making them a crybaby. I can’t believe that, if Manny Ramirez is an intelligent ballplayer, he would honestly think that Smith’s pitch was intentional. If that’s the case, that’s lame. If it’s not the case, then this is the Dodgers being pissed that the Brewers, a “crappy team,” beat them on their home turf.

Oh, and they want to show that they have each other’s backs? How do they think the Brewers are going to feel? If we weren’t a classier team, I’d start Swindle and have him hit players until he’s ejected, and then bring in the real starter. But that would start continue a cycle of violence that didn’t need to be started in the first place.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 2:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That's right, we do

And it’ll be a huge score, just to beat down on their hope for coming back too.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is Martin the crybaby?

Prince has played baseball for how long now? Everybody knows how the unwritten rules work…except him apparently.

Whether you like the rules or not is one thing, but don’t think the Brewers wouldn’t have done the same thing, or haven’t done it at some point. I don’t get this angry reaction to something that happens all the time.

You hit an elite hitter, they hit yours. It happens.

by kensai on Aug 5, 2009 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About that SOP

Baseball must have been a wild and crazy game back in the day. It’s a wonder they ever finished a game, much less a season, with all those loose cannons on the mound ready and willing to hit a batter at the drop of a hat (it must have sucked for the Yankees when Jim Bouton pitched). HBP’s must have been sky high, if retaliation was really forthcoming for all the stuff people today demand it for.

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Similarly, how would Prince handle Don Drysdale or Bob Gibson buzzing him once every at-bat on purpose? Judging by last night, not very well.

I don’t get your disbelief that these things happened. They happen all the time today, much less back before you couldn’t touch players without a suspension.

by kensai on Aug 5, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disbelieve these things happen

I just think people today grossly exaggerate how often they occurred in the past.

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by TheJay on Aug 6, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martin's not the crybaby

Ramirez is. If he can’t take an accidental hit from one of a below-.500 team’s crappiest pitchers with some dignity and realize it’s a mistake, then he’s obviously still on the pill.

Besides, it’s not like we’ve been coming over to your blog to say anything about the move, even though you guys are clearly talking poorly about us. The only person that’s visited over there is a pretend fan who just likes to criticize every move the Brewers make. I’m curious as to why you feel the need to come on over here on your winning team horse and explain the rules of baseball to us drunk simpletons from the Midwest.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because some posters obviously don’t understand the rules of baseball. If they stopped saying stupid stuff, it wouldn’t be a problem.

You are free to come and comment anywhere. This is the internet, after all.

by kensai on Aug 5, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unwritten rule

Perhaps you need to understand how the unwritten rules work. Payback for a HBP usually happens the following inning or the following game… particularly when the game is out of hand (up by 13 runs) and it’s the 9th with 2 outs.

Also, why not hit Braun?

by sjlee on Aug 6, 2009 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ignore that last comment… forgot that Braun was taken out of the game in the 8th.

by sjlee on Aug 6, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Manny's just sensitive because he can't get pregnant.

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by stigmo on Aug 5, 2009 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

it's really low

to hit a man with child

by keephopealive on Aug 5, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Lol

Read that as it’s really low to hit a man with a child.

TBD

by pumpkinking on Aug 5, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Fielder was going to charge the mound when Guo struck him out so easily in a previous at bat.
vr, Xei

by Xeifrank on Aug 5, 2009 2:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Go back to the Dodgers site.

by Zorakathura on Aug 5, 2009 3:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Just explaining

the standard operating procedure in baseball that has been in place for as long as I can remember to people who are complaining about it.

by kensai on Aug 5, 2009 4:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

quit your crying..

Two Dodgers got hit… Manny has been hit 3 or 4 times now since the end of his punishment… Prince is just a baby….. Baseball … learn the game….

Think Blue

by boxhead on Aug 5, 2009 3:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Manny is usually hit by a decent number of pitches during a season…writing with ellipses…makes everyone sleepy…yawn.

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weird timing

Why get Mota fined/suspended? Just a stupid move, even if you’re defending your hitter. But hey, whatever, if it takes hitting someone with a 13-run lead to make Manny feel like the team’s got his back, the Dodgers have to do what the Dodgers have to do.

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This just in: Seth McClung declares self fit, ready to play

LOS ANGELES – Brewers righthander Seth McClung, on the 15-day disabled list since July 25, has declared himself healthy and fit to pitch. “My elbow still hurts,” McClung said, “I won’t lie about that. I think I’ve got enough in there for one or two, or maybe up to four pitches, you know how I sometimes get wild on the mound. I had my control a couple Septembers back, though, so I should be alright.”

Brewers catcher Jason Kendall was sanguine about the proclamation, saying, “Seth’s always been a warrior. He takes after my own heart. We’ll work together on getting him in game shape and see what he can do. It’s the least we can do after [possibly incorporeal entity Dave Kerwin] followed us from Pittsburgh to LA.”

Kerwin could not be reached for comment.

Milwaukee manager Ken Macha said he did not believe McClung was eligible to come off the disabled list at this point, but since the Dodger Stadium scoreboard has not shown a calendar yet, he remains unsure.

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:42 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Yeah...

Very odd that they would have thrown at Fielder at that point.

A lot of people know that I am on board with the old style baseball, unwritten rules, and I do not think that Prince being thrown at was the right thing to do for the Dodgers.

But you cant really go on here and say that Smith’s pitch was one that “got away” or that he has “bad control”. That is probably the sole reason he brought in. And why didnt one of those pitches ’get away" with someone else at the plate. Do you throw at Manny, sure, he had been killing the Brewers all game.

What the tv news is reporting, if true, about Prince and “other players” storming down the tunnel after the game screaming obscenities and trying to get into the Dodger clubhouse is pretty whacky. He and the other players are probably due for a fine/suspension over that one.

If the situations were reversed, we would all be saying the exact opposite things. Mota’s pitch “got away”, Prince is being a cry baby… Each team threw at the others all star. Games over move on.

by backtocali on Aug 5, 2009 6:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Delurking to say...

… gee, I thought Chris Smith was brought in because Macha was hoping one of his worst pitchers would be able to suck up some innings and preserve his effective relievers for a game the Brewers actually had a chance at winning. Thank God that an “old style baseball man” and his fictional “scouting background” clarified that issue for me.

As for your theory that if the situation were reversed Brewer fans would think that Mota’s pitch got away, well, you apparently weren’t paying attention to the heavy criticism many people on this site voiced after Ned Yost ordered McClung to retaliate against the Cardinals late in 2007.

Would we think that Ramirez was just being a cry baby if he was the guy who tried to get in the opposing team’s clubhouse after the game? Yeah, probably. But Jose Canseco proved several years ago that you can be right about something (finally!) and still be a douchebag for saying it out loud.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 5, 2009 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have still been pissed if the tables were turned

I don’t care what the ‘unwritten rules’ of baseball are. It’s a petty, cheap, and asshole move to hit another player because one of yours got hit. There’s no reason to injure another team’s player out of anger. It just turns the games into Tonya Harding-like pissing matches and makes me want to stop watching baseball. There’s no excuse for it.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Smith

But, but, but, of course Smith was brought in to hit Ramirez! The fact he was brought in at the end of a terrible inning to face a guy four spots ahead of Manny in the order is immaterial!

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really

If the Dodgers had a pitcher warming up in the pen with two outs in the ninth and a thirteen run lead, no one can say that it wasn’t intentional. Dodgers fans aren’t saying it wasn’t intentional.

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by kishi on Aug 5, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Do you throw at Manny, sure, he had been killing the Brewers all game."

That’s not “old style baseball,” that’s looking for an excuse to hit people. Ridiculous.

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by TheJay on Aug 5, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carp.

I hate that accidentally hitting enter will submit a post…I was going to create a better looking link and insert this quote:


Right when they got to the Dodger clubhouse doors, I just made it to the bottom of the stairwell almost getting run over by the stampeding lot. I saw Ryan Braun’s bulging eyes and Brewers manager Ken Macha in the rear trying to get his players to return to no avail. Fielder kept ranting, “It’s bullshit,” repeatedly. Before reinforcements arrived Fielder managed to get the door slightly open, however the lone security guard posted at the Dodger clubhouse doors was determined that they would not get in.

by grant76 on Aug 5, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NM MLB.com

Not enough coffee in my yet.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 5, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For anyone getting upset about the Dodger trolls in the thread

They’ve been making more jabs at Prince’s weight, our poor playing skills, and more over at True Blue LA.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

After seeing how stupid they look on our thread… Please don’t.

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by Metagen on Aug 5, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it's up to you whether you click or not

I didn’t realize when I posted that that one of our other bloggers visited over there too, but didn’t really engage in much conversation other than to say good game. I think it’s important to note that there are one or two people over there who actually get that this was wrong.

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by kirbir on Aug 5, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kudos

to Macha. He earned himself at least another 2 years of managing in my book for defending our guys with restrained fire.

by kdfan16 on Aug 5, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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