Wednesday's Frosty Mug
by KLSnow on Sep 2, 2009 8:47 AM CDT
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Walking Albert Pujols to get to Matt Holliday didn't work out so well for the Brewers last night. Todd Coffey is accepting blame for the loss, but David Brown of Yahoo wonders why the Brewers didn't just take their chances with Pujols.
I promise I'll limit myself to one paragraph on J.J. Hardy today, so if you're sick of hearing about him, feel free to skip ahead. He denied being asked to take ground balls at third, and says it makes sense for him to be traded this offseason. Miller Park Drunk is helping Alcides Escobar fill in the void by giving him some tips regarding interaction with the ladies.
I'm not banging my head against the desk yet, but I'm keeping a space clear in case I need to start. Adam McCalvy's game preview for today has a look at the catching situation for next season, and Jason Kendall says he'd like to return. Of course, Mike Rivera also says he'd like to play every day.
Buried in the "Notes" section of that preview might be the bigger news: Ken Macha is adjusting his rotation to bump Yovani Gallardo back a few days. Gallardo will now pitch on Saturday instead of Thursday. The move will get him one less start in September, hopefully saving his arm for a more competitive 2010 team.
We've been talking a fair amount about Prince Fielder lately, but Ryan Braun had a pretty good August too, and earned a spot on MLB Notebook's August All Star Team.
In the minors:
- The Brewers have two prospects in the top 25 in Project Prospect's rankings of position prospects. Alcides Escobar (#14) is the no-brainer, but for the first time I can recall, it's actually Caleb Gindl joining him in the top 25. Mat Gamel and Brett Lawrie both earned honorable mention.
- Lawrie is one of four Brewer prospects who either have left or will leave their minor league teams to play for Team Canada in the Baseball World Cup. He'll be joined by pitchers Nick Bucci and Jim Henderson and center fielder Adam Stern.
- Glancing at Baseball America's Minor League Transactions, I noticed the Brewers released pitcher Tom Wilhelmsen. Wilhelmsen was a former 7th round pick and top prospect for the Brewers, but as a commenter noted in this Mug, he eventually fell out of the organization due to a substance abuse issue. Wilhelmsen was re-signed out of the independent leagues earlier this season, but his second run with the Brewers lasted less than a month.
Around baseball:
D-Backs: Acquired pitcher Kevin Mulvey from the Twins as the PTBNL in the Jon Rauch deal.
Dodgers: Designated outfielder Jamie Hoffman for assignment.
Rangers: Designated pitcher Thomas Diamond, their #1 pick in 2004, for assignment.
Rays: Designated reliever Joe Nelson for assignment to make room for Sean Rodriguez, acquired from the Angels as the PTBNL in the Scott Kazmir deal.
Red Sox: Designated outfielder Jeff Bailey for assignment.
There are dozens of major league debuts and returns being made this week as rosters expand, but it's possible the best story is happening in Houston, where Aaron Boone has returned to the active roster just five months after undergoing open heart surgery.
On this day in 2002, Kerry Wood struck out four Brewers in the fourth inning and hit a two run home run as the Cubs beat the Brewers 17-4 in game two of a doubleheader. The Brewers won game one behind two solo home runs from Ronnie Belliard.
Happy birthday today to Wes Littleton, who has split 2009 between Huntsville and Nashville and turns 27 today, and to Rick Manning, who turns 55.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in meat market specials.
Drink up.
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Seriously? Worse things can happen to this team in the offseason than resigning Kendall.
It’s not like it’d be a long term deal, and we’ve seen in the last month (sample size, I know) what he can do with regular rest.
Would anyone really be that violently opposed to Rivera for 60-70% of days, Kendall spelling him where needed?
That said, you might have a hard time talking Kendall into that system, in which case, you can show him the door for sure.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Would I be violently opposed to Kendall on the team as a backup, taking one or two out of every five starts? No way.
Would it happen? No way in hell. If the catchers are Kendall and Rivera next year they’ll be used the same way they have recently AT BEST.
by warwick5s on Sep 2, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but I'm okay with how they've been used recently, although leaning more towards Rivera would be a good thing. I wouldn't be opposed to a 50/50 split of the time. I know others disagree.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does 50/50 work with 5 starters?
Unless you’re thinking the catchers wouldn’t be paired with the same starter each outing.
by sjlee on Sep 2, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as the checkbook is unlimited
Otherwise, paying Kendall another $5 million for performance the Brewers could get for under a million is stupid. And it will be further infuriating to hear Melvin and Attannasio complain about the disadvantages of being a small market team while they burn that money.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, right, $ has to be reasonable, of course. Who can they replace Kendall with for under $1M, exactly?
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on his numbers the past few years?
Anybody. Including Rivera.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't see that coming. You can't look at his numbers the last 2 years if you're considering him as a potential part-time player.
Comparing full time stats with part time stats is silly and irrelevant.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Ausmus is pretty comparable, and a backup in LA
He’s making $1 million this year.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comparable to what? His full time stats? He's having a MUCH better offensive year than he's had the past 3 years.
Isn’t that kind of proving my point?
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure what you mean
Ausmus as a part-time player is performing better than he has the last few years. He’s making a million dollars. I said Kendall would be a waste at 5. Are you arguing for the sake of arguing?
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said $ has to be reasonable. I don't see Kendall getting 5 next year, but I wouldn't be opposed to paying him about 1/2 that.
I thought you were saying Ausmus’s stats as a backup were comparable to his stats as a starter, given what comment you replied to. Misinterpreted, My bad.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Further
Do you LIKE Kendall for some reason? He has consistently sucked for 3 years, with an OPS+ of 63, 72 and 69. That is plain awful, and any number of guys we’ve never heard of could do that. So, why the push to keep him?
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not necessarily "pushing" to keep him, I'm saying there could be far worse things than having him as the backup catcher next year.
I just can’t see Rivera performing this well in a full time gig. And it’s not like we have a viable backup/part time catcher in the system.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there's the thing
I don’t think it’s hard to find a replacement-level catcher in free agency, or via trade. We’ll have to see what Melvin does, but if Kendall makes more than a million dollars, the hate will continue.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the hate will continue either way, there's always at least 2 guys on the team that everyone hates.
It’s true for every team, every sport.
I don’t see Kendall coming back next year, be interesting to see what minor league FA they sign to be Rivera’s backup (any major league FA is gonna get over $1M, I’d think). They better not even think of Salome or LuCroy.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I count 4, maybe 5 this year
1) Hoolio (gone)
2) Bill E. Hall (gone)
3) Soup
4) Kendall
5) Gerut?
I don’t think there’s much hate for Gerut so much as playful ridicule. He’s been playing pretty well recently anyway, right?
I think the hate for Suppan has pretty much morphed into apathy, so he’s liable to come off the list next year.
by ecocd on Sep 2, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's morphed into apathy
when we gave up on the season overall. If we’re contenders and he’s the only thing holding us back ….
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 2, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Backup catchers...
Here are the veteran FA catchers who could backup Rivera and made $1M or less this season…
Ausmus – $1M
Bako – $750K
Barrett – $600K
Blanco – $750K
Fasano – minimum
Hall – FA
LaRue – $950K
Redmond – $950K
Wilson – $950K
In addition, Rodriguez and Valentin might be able to be had for about $1M considering both only made a little over that this year.
by sjlee on Sep 2, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sal Fasano has a great mustache
Taking Shallowness to New Depths...
by Fatter than Joey on Sep 3, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW, we picked up Eric Munson off waivers in the '07/08 offseason.
He was admittedly dreadful in limited mixed C/1B duty at Nashville (OPS .553 in 102 PA), but this year he’s posted an OPS around .820 (MLE about .670) catching full-time for AAA Sacramento.
That’s not to say we should trade for Eric Munson or anything, but if all we’re looking for is a backup who can split time with Rivera 70/30 or so (especially if it might be only for half a season until either Salome or Lucroy can do the same thing), we might as well roll dice with one or two league-minimum signings and see what they can do. And that’s just about where I’d place Kendall, e.g. worth two league-minimum players (which more or less comes out to the $1m bandied about), because at least you do know what you’re getting with him – it’s just not much.
by Zeyes on Sep 2, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the offseason the Brewers signed Keith Osik and Eddie Perez?
Neither of those guys were world beaters either, but they were both solid backups. Your point is fair.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by KLSnow on Sep 2, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although, given that he's gonna be a type B free agent, maybe a pick for him wouldn't be a bad way to go.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we'd have to offer him arbitration
And I’m guessing that he’ll command more money through arbitration than he would on the open market.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 2, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worse things, yes
But Rivera as the starting catcher does not make this team improved next year. Hes a very good back up, and a starter on a 2nd division team, but hes not the guy if you want to make a playoff push.
I would have no problems with Kendall as the reserve, but he doesnt enjoy that role and may not accept it. The only situation that becomes viable for him and the team is if he really likes being here (which it has been reported that he would like to finish his career here) and he takes a big pay discount. Hes now a replacement level player. Can anyone say Benjie Molina?
Without a big addition in the starting rotation next year, theyre still on the outside looking in in October anyway, regardless of who the catcher is.
Catcher is going to be a problem for this team until, and if Jonathan Lucroy develops into the guy the Brewers hope he can be.
by backtocali on Sep 2, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewer's aren't gonna throw away 7-9 million dollars at the catchers spot. No chance of Molina.
They need that money for the “big addition” to the rotation that they need.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not if they trade Hardy and McGehee
for a starting pitcher, heck throw in one of the 800 OF prospects to get a nicer return.
Who are some of the FA pitchers that will be available this year that could be had for $7-9mm? Are any of them guys you would want to be, and could rely on, as your #2 starting pitcher?
by backtocali on Sep 2, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a #1 pitcher first (sorry)
Good point about the trades.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
800 outfield prospects?
Where? By my count they have Lorenzo Cain, Caleb Gindl and Logan Schafer as quality outfield prospects above Low A, and a lot of organizational filler around them, unless you’re counting a guy like Bourgeois or Iribarren.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by KLSnow on Sep 2, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a little outdated of a statement
going back to Brantley, LaPorta, etc on top of the guys you mention. Whatever happened to Gillespie?
figure they only need really to replace one starting OF next year, maybe not even that with Cameron a possible arb and sign guy, Braun and Hart, and bring Gerut back…Cain probably isnt ready for opening day…
Maybe that $7-9 MYK speaks of could go towards Coco Crisp, start Gerut in RF and instead of a Hardy/McGehee/Gindl or Schafer deal for a pitcher, it becomes Hardy/Hart/McGehee…there must be a guy they could get for those three to fit very nicely in the rotation.
by backtocali on Sep 2, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gillespie went to Arizona in the Lopez deal.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by KLSnow on Sep 2, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we're not quite where we were OF-wise when Brantley and Gillespie were still around.
(Not to mention Nelson and Rottino also playing some outfield.) Our outfield situation arguably isn’t much different from our pitching situation now, i.e. a whole bunch of guys with good upside, but mostly quite far away yet.
by Zeyes on Sep 2, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Wayback Machine
Kind of neat to see the evolution of websites. MLB didn’t own the domain mlb.com for pretty long time.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 2, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love that thing. It's cost me many days at work.
It’s bad enough that we’ve got internet, but the internet of the past? Productivity = zero.
The evolution of some of the bigger sites is fun to watch (cnn, pretty much any newspaper).
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what constitutes a good season, now?
So the Brewers aren’t making the playoffs. I’m looking to get excited about following the team again, though. I have a hard time getting excited solely about individual performances like watching Braun and Fielder tear the cover off the ball or Escobar and Gamel getting playing time. I want winners!
What’s our new goal for the team? Do we push for 80, 81 or 82 wins?
by ecocd on Sep 2, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They need to go 18-13 the rest of the way to be 82-80
Can they do that?
Is is insane that I, of all people, were too optimistic about the team this year?
by backtocali on Sep 2, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you being too optimistic is a very pessimistic thought
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 2, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think .500 is likely...
I think we will end up with 76-78 wins…
I’d rather see Escobar/Gamel/Salome/etc… play at the expense of winning games at this point.
Theoretically, I think they should start breaking in our plethora of young AAA studs into the rotation.
I’d like to see pretty rigid pitch counts on Yo, again at the cost of winning if need be.
I’d love to see Prince try to steal home. That would be cool.
Taking Shallowness to New Depths...
by Fatter than Joey on Sep 2, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I figure 77 wins
Im all for the big prospects getting lots of playing time to break them in, even at the expense of winning. Heck with Escobar starting at SS, that actually improves the chances of winning over Hardy or Counsell.
Which AAA pitching guys are you referring to? I think the best hope for future Brewer pitchers lies in AA and High A ball right now.
by backtocali on Sep 2, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
None
I was just saying, if we had any, this would be the place to give them some starts.
Taking Shallowness to New Depths...
by Fatter than Joey on Sep 2, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s good to see you around these parts FTJ.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 2, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I googled "tubgirl" and ended up here.
Taking Shallowness to New Depths...
by Fatter than Joey on Sep 2, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Second place would be nice.
It looks not unlikely that there might only be two .500+ teams in the division, I’d still like to be the second one.
That final series against St. Louis might be interesting if the Cards are already having their minds on the playoffs
by Zeyes on Sep 2, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I like that one
I still get to meaningfully root against the Cubs (and Astros I suppose). The Brewers are only 2.5 back! Let’s go guys! Woo!
by ecocd on Sep 2, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yovani being pushed back
I thought Yovani should have skipped a start around the middle of the season, even when we were in the thick of it. I thought it would have helped him towards the end of the season.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 2, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. He's gotta start managing his pitch count better. 17+ pitches/inning isn't "ace" material...
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
It seems to me that he’s concentrating too much on getting the strikeout than he is on getting the out. He’ll start a count out 0-2, and then he’ll work it full.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 2, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he just fatigues
because the Brewers always have 3-up-3-down innings when he pitches and he’s practically always on the mound. ;-)
by ecocd on Sep 2, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only he had a catcher who called a good game
Who could get him to throw a 94mph fastball at eye level every now and again when at 0-2, instead of the predictable bounced curveball on 0-2 and 1-2 and then have to make a good pitch on 2-2 that gets fouled off again and again.
by Getting Yosted on Sep 2, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catchers don't decide what the pitcher throws.
by Mykenk on Sep 2, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guns don't kill people....
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 2, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
I think we still need one more for fantasy football
Imagine the Brewers offense without Bill Hall. Wait. What?
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Sep 2, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just bought a PS3
will you be getting a check in the mail? :)
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 2, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BRIIIIIIIINNNNNNNGGGGGGG IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT!!!
Jamie, I will always remember that, and will refer to it everytime I see you post. It completes me.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Sep 2, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
and 2 days, 4 hours, and 31 minutes until the draft!!!
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Sep 2, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha!
awesome. thanks buddy! HOLLERRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Jamie in LA on Sep 4, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were good
unless you have another league
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Sep 2, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a BYE on the schedule, no?
Imagine the Brewers offense without Bill Hall. Wait. What?
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Sep 2, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm. Nevermind. Its gone.
Imagine the Brewers offense without Bill Hall. Wait. What?
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Sep 2, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy gets another start
Lopez 4
Catalanotto 9
Braun 7
Fielder 3
McGehee 5
Cameron 8
Kendall 2
Hardy 6
Bush 1
Guess Hardy isn’t bad enough to get sat for a better younger player.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 2, 2009 4:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And this is why I avoid game threads now
Hardy and Kendall both starting again tonight? And I’m the bad guy if I root for my fantasy team (Pujols) instead of the Brewers?
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
Only if Rasmus also does well. I need to catch up to The Sophmore by months end. My team has taken a nose dive though…
by SgtClueLs on Sep 2, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This lineup really is awful
There’s one position player on there that I expect to see on the team in 2011.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There definitely is a void of suck after McGehee bats.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 2, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the same thing (without the awful part), mostly because I don't know that any lineup with Fielder and Braun in it can be termed awful.
But it is going to be an interesting 18 months or so from here on out. They have a lot of moves to make, whether they want to or not, and the outcome of those moves will determine whether the winning seasons in 2007-08 were aberrations of the beginnings of a success on the field for a well run organization. I think Melvin’s gone if they’re .500 or worse in 2010.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 2, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Claiming Escobar is better...
… than Hardy with such certainty is just plain shortsighted. Hardy still projects to be superior offensively and it’s not hard to see why.
by rluzinski on Sep 2, 2009 5:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen plenty of Hardy
Now I’d like to see some of Escobar.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
While that might be true
Hardy projects to not be on our team next year. What possible benefit do we gain by starting him and hitting him eighth?
by Rubie Q on Sep 2, 2009 7:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
trade value
(assuming he does okay)
that was easy
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 2, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In case a team has a need for weak grounders?
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 2, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me guess
We should trade him for a bag of used balls?
by rluzinski on Sep 2, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't underestimate
The Value of Dreaminess.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 3, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
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St. Louis
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91 | 71 | .561 | 0 | Lost 6 |
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Chicago
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83 | 78 | .515 | 7.5 | Lost 1 |
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Milwaukee
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80 | 82 | .493 | 11 | Won 3 |
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Cincinnati
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78 | 84 | .481 | 13 | Won 2 |
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Houston
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74 | 88 | .456 | 17 | Lost 3 |
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Pittsburgh
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62 | 99 | .385 | 28.5 | Lost 2 |
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