Wednesday's Frosty Mug
by KLSnow on Sep 23, 2009 8:54 AM CDT
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The Brewers were officially eliminated from postseason contention last night, and it's probably fitting that it happened on a day where Craig Counsell started at third over Mat Gamel and Casey McGehee. Macha threw Gamel under the bus while defending his decision not to play one of the organization's top prospects.
Meanwhile, Casey McGehee's surprising performance this season is drawing more attention: Hardball Cooperative has some of the details on McGehee's impressive season, but says he'll have to prove again next spring that he's more than a minor league lifer.
If you've missed every previous opportunity to see obnoxious Cub fans at Miller Park this season, you've got one more...so feel free to skip it. If you're a fan of offense, though, then this could be an interesting game, as Chris Narveson gets the start for the Brewers against Jeff Samardzija, who is filling in for Ted Lilly. Tonight's pitchers have a combined four major league starts.
Narveson is still filling Manny Parra's spot in the rotation, but Parra will return on Friday to fill the spot vacated by Yovani Gallardo (FanShot). If he can somehow throw 8.1 scoreless innings over his remaining two starts, he'll finish 2009 with an ERA under 6.
Prince Fielder updated his blog yesterday, thanking fans for their support and looking ahead to this year's Hank Aaron Award. View From The Bleachers notes that Ryan Braun's next home run will make he and Fielder just the third active set of teammates to post 30+ HR in three straight seasons.
Plunk Everyone noted that, before last night, Jason Kendall had been hit by Randy Wolf and Kip Wells, but never by Randy Wells. They took care of that in the sixth inning. Kendall is now 17 HBP ahead of second place in the race for most HBP in the '00s.
Is baseball ready for a shortstop renaissance? Baseball Digest Daily notes three potential star shortstops lurking on the horizon: Elvis Andrus, Everth Cabrera and Alcides Escobar.
On assorted rankings:
- WhatifSports moved the Brewers up two spots to 16th in their Power Rankings.
- Circling the Bases has Trevor Hoffman 43rd and Braden Looper 39th in their rankings of the top 111 free agents this offseason.
Oh, and today is a Woot-off day.
Drink up.
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let's hope that melvin throws macha under the bus this off-season
his explanations about lack of performance about gamel are meaningless when you consider the fact he started patterson not once, but twice.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Sep 23, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In a row...
But there is no excuse to even have him on the roster.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good God.
Gamel wasn’t ready to play? Gee, Ken, do you think any of that rust might have resulted from you not playing him for a week after he got called up, and giving him pinch hitting duties for a week after that?
Two, whose job is it to help the player “be ready to go out and play and … have success”? Surely, it can’t all be on the player, because, if it was, we wouldn’t have a coaching staff, right?
Angry.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree Rubie
That was one of the most disheartening pieces I’ve ever read. Some of those quotes bug the hell out of me.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost as if you could imagine those quotes coming from Dusty Baker
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Melvin won't throw Macha under the bus
Macha was his pick in 2003 and is his guy now. They’ll sink or swim together in 2010.
You know me Al.
by TheJay on Sep 23, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they can take turns manning the shovel.
It gets tiring digging your own grave all by yourself.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geez
we gotta put up with another year of this crap?!? Perhaps ex-Stache will get some pitching in to save his job
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Sep 23, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fact..
I suspect Macha will be extended or some sort of option exercised for 2011
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always pictured games down the road in two perspectives...
1) If you are in the race, you play the horses. Veteran players who have been there, and the people who are performing at that point. This is pretty straightforward.
2) If you are out of it, try playing the guys who will be around for the future. Your veterans (with exception of the big guns) had 130 some odd games before this to play hard, prove their worth, and make the season worth it at the end. I feel that in September—considering now that the Brewers are officially out—should be time to see if you can plant some seeds in the youth and watch them grow. DeFelice was one player in recent memory that benefited from this, and he is promising today. Gamel, McGehee, Escobar, whoever (JUST NOT CO PAT OMG EYE GOUGING) should be getting some serious looks here.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Sep 23, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So, send Hart, Cameron, Hoffman, Counsell, Braun, Fielder, etc. home for September?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hart can go home, yes
Counsell is a utility infielder, and should never start over McGehee or Gamel at 3B.
Although I do get you are being facetious and somewhat inflammatory.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 23, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep telling you Macha doesn't know what to do
When Billy Bean is not telling him what he thinks ;)
Bringing Macha back is raising a white flag on next years season before it even starts
not very swell
Everything is just swell :)
by WSB Chris on Sep 23, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad we had Yost
Imagine if Macha was managing when Braun came up.
MACHA: “That kid down there can’t get to any balls and then throws away the ones he does get to. I owe it to Craig to keep him out there. We are trying to win games blah blah blah”
Yikes remembering the “good old days of Yost” This season has totally unhinged me
by Junked on Sep 23, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Different situation...
Braun was called up early in the season, because the Brewers needed someone to play 3B.
by sjlee on Sep 23, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the lightest "throwing him under the bus" of all time.
I pretty much agreed with everything Macha said.
Then again, I didn’t think we should have called Gamel up in September at all, so… whatever, I guess.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I didn't have much of a problem with it.
I wish he was getting a start now and then, but I don’t mind the comments. If nobody calls him out, or tells him that he needs to improve, maybe nothing changes. Gamel hasn’t made much of anything of his major league oppurtunities. He needs to step it up a notch
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 23, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much opportunity has he had?
He has had 30 starts this year and put up a .745 OPS in them , not great, but a pretty good start to a career.
It is hard to step it up a notch when you sit on the bench for weeks at a time and don’t get consistent playing time.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what do you tell McGehee? "Yeah, we know you're having a phenomenal year, and are outperfoming this other rookie, but we want to bench you so he can get playing time"?
That’s messed up.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think playing Gamel and Escobar gives them the best shot for the future
I don’t really care what they tell McGehee. I want a successful baseball team, if that means hurting McGehee or Counsell’s feelings, so be it.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you tell the fans that we're not trying to win games this year, but be patient, because we'll be good in the future?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think fans would be really upset if McGehee and Counsell don't get starts?
And who cares? Melvin and Mark A’s goal should be to win a World Series, not get 78 wins instead of 75 wins this year.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good call. but, that again begs the question:
why run Braun/Fielder and everyone else out there. They could easily get hurt, career ending injuries, what not. Given that winning isn’t a priority, why risk it? Should be nothing but prospects from Sept 1st on out, assuming your team is out of it.
Maybe that should be a rule.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
What prospects at 1B and LF that could be an upgrade next year over what we have this year could benefit by playing every day? If they had a top prospect in baseball who could outpreform Prince next year, then by all means let him play.
It isn’t about injuries at all, you are completely missing the point.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know it's not about injuries
it’s about “hey, i know you’ve been amazing this year, but we’re pretty sure you’re gonna suck next year, so we’re going to play the guy that’s sucked this year.”
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's about the conversation you have to have with McGehee?
Who cares?
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Mykenk's world
you play everday or not at all
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh. People would bitch if Gamel was starting 1-2 days a week too, no one's ever happy.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then clearly he shouldn't play at all
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People who care about other people?
Yeah yeah, it’s a business, but, I’d be pretty pissed if they handed the intern my client work because they think he’s going to be a better employee than me in the future…
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you were brought up in an atmosphere
where you were an intern once upon a time and got some of your supervisor’s work, you might be okay with it.
it’s part of the job description. they shouldn’t get their feelings hurt over 2 weeks. And if they do, maybe they don’t deserve to play a kid’s game for lawyer-money.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point.
Any odds that Gamel said he didn’t want to play, just wanted a month of MLB’er money to blow this winter?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
About as good as the odds
McGehee threatened to go postal if he didn’t start everyday
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you absolutely cannot start counsell above gamel though.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not.
Which sucks for Counsell, that he’s down to zero PT.
Can’t play at 3rd, can’t play at short…
I guess there’s still PT at 2nd, but I’d rather burn out Lopez…
Just feel for the guy who’s done so much better than expected, and is now expected to sit for the rest of the season, save for a few pinch hit at-bats, which people here would argue should go to someone else anyway….
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Counsell should be the first pinch hitter off the bench, due to his sucess in that role. Gamel can’t do the pinch hitting role, so have him start the game and pull him in the 7th or so when you double-switch in counsell.
if you absolutely need to start Counsell give him 2 starts a week. one start at third, one at second. Gamel should be getting 1-2 starts per week, if they’re pushing to enhance McGehee’s award/trade value.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think people would bitch about THAT too?
no one is ever happy, I think we know that.
I’m okay with your plan though… although I’d say Gamel can’t do the starter role either, but, that’s the point, i think.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The traditional BCB/Brewer Fan Attitude.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry.
But when did you become backtocali? :)
by NoahJ on Sep 23, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
backtocali attempts to use stats to back up his foolish beliefs.
I don’t bother.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
I resemble that remark!
Except for the foolish arguments part, statistics dont lie.
by backtocali on Sep 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, you can get statistics to say anything. That's my job.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you a polling person for the RNC?
by backtocali on Sep 23, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. And the last 3 words are unnecessary. Pollsters are pollsters.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you mean to tell me
That there may be some “fudging” of the numbers?
by backtocali on Sep 23, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craiggers
already has more ABs this season than he’s had since 2005, plus isn’t he playing hurt? He’d probably be grateful if he could just coast through September. :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Sep 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did Macha's wheels come flying off?
He made an unusual lineup change here or there with the leadoff spot over the course of the year and he stuck with Hall way too long, but he’s done a pretty good job with the bullpen, in my opinion. We were all banging our heads against the wall when Yost refused to remove a starter with 2 outs in an inning.
So is Macha just weak in talent development? Why would an organization care about McGehee’s longshot chance at being named Rookie of the Year? It’s not like it’s going to enhance his trade value and they’ve already shown they can make business decisions with the handling of Hardy this year.
by ecocd on Sep 23, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe because he's trying to win as many games as possible, and playing Gamel everyday isn't the best course of action to do that.
at some point, the FO needs to tell Macha that they really don’t care about winning games, and that he should start to sit all the regulars and play the kids. That message clearly hasn’t been given to Macha, so he’s (for the most part) putting out the lineup he thinks will do best. Obviously the 2 Patterson days were inexcusable, but other than that 1.2% of the season, can you really say that he’s not putting the most competitive lineup possible out there on a daily basis?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are assuming the FO isn't on the same page.
And it doesn’t seem like there is much indication that the FO isn’t on board with sending grit out there instead of using the time to get useful atbats for the future.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you justify shutting counsell down for the rest of the year?
He’s having a great year, and has already lost a ton of PT to McGehee/Hardy/Escobar. That’s one of the reasons I didn’t really think Gamel coming up was a good idea.
It’s hard to keep 3 3bs and 3 SSs who are all deserving of PT happy.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is definitely the team for you
When the Gritty All-Suck team takes the field next year, I expect you’ll be one of the satisfied ticketholders.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, let's shut the overperformers down for the year, they totally don't deserve any more PT.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't deserve anything
except for their paychecks.
Macha’s responsibility is to manage the team in such a way that it provides the best opportunity to win. Since this year is out, his priority should be evaluating and preparing for next year. McGehee may be a big part of next year….Counsell is not.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay, then how do you justify using ANY of the big leaguers right now?
Should have sent counsell home on September 1st. Good riddance, thanks for overperforming everyone’s expectations, don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you intentionally miss the point?
There are 2 prospects on the Brewers that need to be evaluated — Gamel and Escobar. What we say about them has nothing to do with anyone else.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Then have McGehee and Fielder split time at first for the rest of the year or something.
Play Gamel everyday, that’s fine with me, as long as you find time for McGehee somewhere.
Or send McGehee home early for the year, that’s fine too. Suck it, KC.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fielder hasn't missed a start this year
I doubt they’ll wanna force him to sit
Uh, there's a half-dead-fat-man eating a dead-fat-man...am I the only one who realized? Oh, okay...
by kirbir on Sep 23, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know. It's more likely they'll send Casey home early.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick question:
Who said anything about shutting McGehee and Counsell down for the rest of the year?
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You want Gamel/Escobar playing every day, where do see those KC and CC getting PT?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
second
or pinch/hit late-inning substitution
my little league coach managed to find a way to not start me, but still have me play 4 innings of a 7 inning game.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren't you in college?
;)
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a) sick today
b) I’d be in lab at this time, so…I may or may not be online anyway
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this isn't too personal, Pags.
But the reference to a “lab” indicates you’re a scientist, or studying to be one (maybe).
Are you, by any chance, one of those space scientists? ‘Cuz I watched this show last night
on the History Channel about the different ways the Earth could end … and I’m kind of
scared.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
took a bunch of astronomy and physics as an undergrad, but no…that’s not my specialty;)
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thought I'd try.
There was all this stuff about anti-matter and gamma ray bursts and quarks ….
it did not make for a pleasant night’s sleep.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you probably have more to fear from the
Yellowstone Supervolcano than a supernova close enough to vaporize us with gamma rays.
sweet dreams!
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being toasted, I can handle.
But the stuff about these quarks turning everything on earth into a big
puddle of Jell-o, and what would happen if gravity ceased to exist … DONOT LIKE.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
quarks won’t do that. gravity will still exist, etc
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no such thing as gravity
It’s all curved space
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, gravity exists
the force of gravity doesn’t
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Universe.
I love that show. It has me considering becoming an Astronomy major.
by NoahJ on Sep 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
then you're definitely going to be an academic for the rest of your life
if you’re cool with that, then go for it
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go for it, Noah.
Maybe you can appear on those shows, and be the guy who comes on screen to say:
“Don’t worry, Rubie, this stuff isn’t at all likely to happen.”
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going for the "why are you in little league" joke
…
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
that’s what my “nevermind/gotcha” post was all about. but that got buried in the other filth;)
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’s right…blow out his f*cking knee
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did I say Escobar and Gamel should play everyday?
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a huge fucking difference between starting Gamel every day
and not letting him rot on the fucking bench for 8 plate appearances over about 20 games. Maybe they could, y’know, switch off every other day or something? Or you could McGehee because he might have a shot at a stupid-ass award that is voted on by people who know less about baseball talent than many people who post on this site. And his swing has problems? Let the kid play.
Macha’s line about not throwing them into the fire too early is such horseshit. So you play him in the middle of the season in games that actually matter and then refuse to play him late in the season when you’re officially outof contention?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i’m fine with everyother day, it’s the morons that say Gamel should be the everyday third baseman. Gamel’s shown little to nothing at the big league level, but yeah, you have to let him play, or don’t bother calling him up (which was my idea)…
Macha’s line about not throwing them into the fire too early is such horseshit. So you play him in the middle of the season in games that actually matter and then refuse to play him late in the season when you’re officially outof contention?
Agreed, that was babbling for the sake of babbling, probably needs a new speechwriter. Or to just avoid talking to the media at this point in the year.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Gamel’s shown little to nothing at the big league level now? He got spotty playing time and put up an average offensive production when playing at third with average-ish defense. He’s gotten a couple of at-bats this September. I would project that he’ll be better than McGehee going forward.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And ugh I hate how the right side of the post box gets hidden now
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stephen strasburg has shown little to nothing at the big league level too
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he is not
Are you familiar with Stephen Strasburg?
The point is: It is stupid to judge a player based on less than 150 plate appeareances.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all told
they’ve had about equal chances at the big leagues. gamel’s had <200 PAs.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, what, another 20+ in september is going to help "evaluate" him somehow?
He’s been in the organization long enough, I think the decision makers know what he’s capable of.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
you’ve got a point that 20PAs may not matter to evaluate him.
but a vote-of-confidence by the club would probably do a lot for his self-confidence at such an early stage of his career. Counsell doesn’t need a shot of self-confidence.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think now's the time for the vote of confidence stuff
I think that comes when you trade McGehee and say that you’ve got the utmost faith in Gamel’s ability to adjust and be a full time big leaguer. If it’s just going to be a little ego boost to the guy that says you know he can do it, it doesn’t necessarily have to be in-season.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would have been a lot more than 20 PAs if he would have gotten playing time when called up at the beginning of the month.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, he could have, what, 40 already?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the end of the year
He will have witnessed 24 Sept/Oct games from the bench.
He could get 80+ PAs while taking enough off-days so McGehee’s feelings don’t get hurt.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Because Escobar's only got 40 ABs so far this month.
80+ PA’s would be pretty much starting every day in September.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
96 PAs would be starting every day
Assuming he averages 4 PAs a start.
by Supertramp on Sep 23, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we differ on the "enough off days"
I’m alright with Gamel getting 2 starts a week, I don’t think anyone would be opposed to that.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be okay with it.
Others would still bitch.
There, did I fix continuity?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
but at least its now clear that you’re arguing to argue
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
He plays everyday, people will bitch
He plays not at all, people will bitch.
He plays a few days a week, people will bitch.
How is the truth “arguing to argue”?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i sense the "people"
are you and your shadow;)
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be offended
It’s just that today you’ve made sweeping generalizations and put words in other people’s mouths. Also you’re ability to disagree with just about anything is pretty impressive.
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don’t worry, I don’t get offended by people I don’t know, on a semi-anonymous message board.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you wouldn't be offended if i started calling you "Negative Nancy"?
’cause i would mean it in the nicest way possible :)
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems childish, but, knock yourself silly. :)
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet, I'll go try it out
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
The passive aggression in this Mug is intoxicating.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Sep 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he missed one start, right?
about a month ago?
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
was just an inning or two then
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
“Parra will take the place vacated by right-hander Yovani Gallardo, who was shut down for the remainder of the season after his start Sunday.”
The Brewers have already raised the white flag.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
he’s not going for a ROY so why even play?
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shut down our other #3 starter, why not Parra? Besides, I doubt he's at 100% right now, why take the chance?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it was an arm issue, I'd agree
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a neck issue is probably just as bad for a pitcher to be dealing with, though.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but i guess i'd trust the organization here
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why? No one trusts them with anything else.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were satisfied with whatever they do there would be nothing to talk about ever
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know that
Thanks!
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you don't work in HR. Who cares how we treat our employees, they're getting paid, isn't that enough?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know I don't work in HR?
You’re a putz.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when do strip clubs have HR?
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd Be Surprised...
How many HR departments ARE like that.
by TheBurningRom on Sep 23, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
It’s 2 weeks left in our season. If they can’t handle having a reduced playtime to evaluate players then they have much larger egos then we’ve ever imagined.
Craig Counsell signed on this year as a super sub, he knew he’d get spotty playtime behind the starters. I’m sure he’ll be fine (not saying happy) with sitting and doing his DR in late innings and PH.
And the FO could give two fucks about Hardy, they fucked him over, so why should they even give a shit if he’s mad because his play time is down a bit? He won’t be a Brewer next year anyways.
The only person with a grip could be McGehee and his shot at ROY. But there is no reason to play Counsell instead of Gamel when KC rests.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, Shut down Braun/Fielder/Cameron/Hart/Lopez/Hoffman/Pitching Staff
We don’t want to win any more games, we want to evaluate talent.
I thought that’s what winter ball and spring training were for.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why let any top prospects play ever?
Obviously the guys who already are in the majors deserve to be there based on what they’ve done in the majors, so prospects should stay in the minors and if they don’t like it, they can suck it.
You know me Al.
by TheJay on Sep 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, since you've built that straw man
Continue to beat the shit out of it.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Sep 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are hardly qualified to define "necessary" today.
You’re the one that’s pumped up on hyperbole.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Sep 23, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please. I disagree with the generally accepted attitude. Sorry.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
So you built a straw man to misrepresent it. Generally accepted opinion was: “Hey, we’ve got these prospects and not much to play for, maybe we should see what they can do?” You turned that into “Hey, let’s send every regular home.” You’re not just expressing an opinion, you’re misrepresenting the argument and borderline trolling.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Sep 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, discussion <> trolling.
Pretty sure the definition of hyperbole involves “to not be taken literally” or something like that.
Basically, because we know exactly what the prospects can do. They’ve been in the system long enough, they’ve been “evaluated” enough. September callups are not for evaluation purposes.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense
Basically, because we know exactly what the prospects can do. They’ve been in the system long enough, they’ve been "evaluated" enough. September callups are not for evaluation purposes
I too remember the good old days of J.M. Gold, Nick Neugebauer, Kevin Barker…
Whatever happend to them? Oh yeah, they didn’t pan out. Point being: We don’t know what prospects can do until they play in the majors. Prospects are just that for a reason, we need to see them play.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For 3 weeks?
Maybe what 65% of the ABs against big leaguers, the rest against other september call-ups?
Forgive me for not thinking that that’s a large enough sample size.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your argument is inconsistent.
You don’t want these guys to play everyday for evaluation purposes now. You mention that 35% of September ABs are against other September callups.
But, you’re willing to evaluate them based on their time in the minors, where 100% of their ABs are against guys that will are, at best, September callups?
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Sep 23, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't think September call-ups are for evaluation purposes. That's not what they're designed for
and that’s not what they’re used for. That’s just the way it is. If it was, all the regulars would be shut down the second a team is out of it. From a baseball perspective, that’s the best way to do things. Once you’re basically eliminated, there should not be any emphasis on wins. But, the Brewers aren’t run from a baseball perspective.
We don’t live in a world where everyone is a super-knowledgeable fan, and would totally accept seeing nothing but prospects for the rest of the year. Very few people go to a brewer game and says “man, they got their ass kicked, but at least I got to see prospect X play”.
They can’t play the prospects every day, because they’d lose money. Sucks, but, hell, it’s a business, right?
Plus, you don’t think there’s more predictive power in AAA batter vs. AAA pitcher than AAA batter vs. MLB pitcher? When a guy has shown he’s ready for the next level, bring him up, don’t just arbitrarily throw them against players they have no business playing against “just to see what happens” What’s the value in that, and if there is some, why only AAAish prospects, why not the top guys from A or rookie ball?
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not "just to see what happens"
but giving them an opportunity to make it happen. There’s a distinction.
These prospects are brought up to give them a “taste” and see what they do with the taste. One other thing to remember right now: Mat Gamel is a Major League Ballplayer. He’s not playing in AAA right now, he’s on the big league squad. Maybe he has or has not proven that he belongs on a 25-man MLB roster, but he’s definitely good enough to be on a 40-man. He has buisness playing against other squads’ 25 man rosters, even if he is slightly outmatched for now.
No one (or at least very few people) is ready for the bigs straight out of high school – there’s going to be a point in every player’s life where he’s tested by putting him in a level above any previous level he’s been at. Basically, I think you’re arguing that we can never promote anyone to the big league squad because they haven’t proven themselves as big leaguers. Or alternatively, they should be evaluated if they’re proper big leaguers or not within their first 10 ABs.
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I’m not saying don’t play him. And if there weren’t 2 third basemen already performing very well, this wouldn’t even be a point of discussion. But both of those other third basemen are also fighting for a job next year, is it really fair to them to make them take a seat so we can check out this other guy? I guess that’s my main point of contention.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you're including Counsell in that discussion ...
He’s not fighting for a job as a third baseman. As a super sub, maybe … which is exactly the role he’d be filling now if McGehee got most of the starts and Gamel an occasional one.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying for a 3B job, or even a brewers job
I’m saying for a job in general. But, yeah, you’re right.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not "all the regulars would be shut down".
You play the top prospects in the system at positions that are very unsettled because they have a very large chance of starting there nest year. We wouldn’t shut down Ryan Braun because he is guaranteed to be playing there again next year and there are no good prospects that will threaten to take his spot.
Personally, I want to see Salome starting at catcher every now and then.
by NoahJ on Sep 23, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After reading this thread
I’m not sure if there are any generally accepted attitudes around here
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if one of them is Mat Gamel should be allowed to play baseball
I’m not sure how you can disagree with that
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not one of them
and I don’t disagree with that.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For God's sake
don’t let GAMEL play baseball!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Sep 23, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had my suspicions for a while.
And then you wrote: “How do you justify shutting down a 39-year-old infielder who signed a one-year contract to be a utility man, and already has started about 75 more games than he could have expected when the season started?”
That clinched it for me: you’re being contrarian just to be contrarian.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
By "suspicians for a while"
do you mean “after reading two of your posts”? Because I’m fairly certain that’s what it took for me.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
None of that article mentioned why Counsell would start at 3rd over Gamel. I like Counsell OK, but that was just a dick move by Macha.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dick move by doug then?:P
or are we blaming mark now?
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can disagree with the move, but starting the guy who's done well this year over the kid that's done nothing doesn't really qualify as a "dick" move in my book.
maybe not the right move, but not a dick move.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
I like Counsell OK, but that was just a fucking stupid move by Macha.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine, if you want to be irrationally angry about something that doesn't matter in the long run.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except it kinda does.
And I don’t really like that argument. We are discussing this back and forth and then you’re saying it doesn’t really matter so don’t get too mad about it?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just enjoy the conversation, I'm not emotionally invested...
The kid’s going to get his shot at being the every day third baseman next year, another 20 AB’s against “major” league pitching isn’t going to change that.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you are saying
If you like to argue regardless, and we should ignore you?
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? I'm saying I have my opinions, but I don't get pissed when people disagree with me. I don't argue for the sake of arguing.
okay, I do, but only when I’m bored, and very very rarely about Brewer related topics.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like everyone was more or less satisfied with Macha, right up until the Corey Patterson incident.
Then all of a sudden the cries for his head rose to a deafening roar. Am I making this up, or does that timeline sound accurate to anyone else?
by Yar Nivek on Sep 23, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I seemed to have noticed that same correllation.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 23, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correlation isn't causation
That’s when it started, that’s only a part of why it started
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was sort of the straw that broke the camel's back
I’m curious, how many people want to see Macha back next year. Front page poll? yes/no question?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Sep 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think people had concerns before then.
That “incident” (love that word to describe batting Corey Patterson lead-off) kind of confirmed our darkest fears.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I was trying to say is that it seemed most were on the fence.
Not particularly pleased with him, but not calling for his termination. That’s why I threw the “more or less satisfied” in. Since then we’ve had the debates about the 3B, SS, and our rotating outfield. That, combined with “the incident”, has left many people with as much love for Macha as they have for Witrado.
by Yar Nivek on Sep 23, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe "The Incident" ...
was also the title of the season finale of “LOST” this year.
Both “incidents,” sadly, had similarly disastrous results.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we need more polar bears.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what would be awesome?
If Melvin could find a way to trade away Escobar and Gamel for some middle relievers, or a back of the rotation guy. Then, he could re-sign Kendall, Cameron and Looper to $5, $12 and $7 million deals. Oh, and then he could trade Weeks for a PTBNL and re-sign Lopez for a 3 year, $20 million deal.
The last thing to do would be to change the name of the team to something big….I dunno, let’s call them the Giants.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And I hear Jason Schmidt is going to be a FA. He could be our ace.
by Yar Nivek on Sep 23, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have an ace... a true ace is what we're looking for. I think.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is a true ace related to a True Yankee?
We could use some of those, too.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're talking about Suppan, aren't you.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Sep 23, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like where your head is at
Jason Schmidt would probably be pretty cheap, though, given his history. The Sabeanistic approach would dictate that Melvin go all-in on a big signing. And I think the answer is……..Rich Harden, with a giant 6 year contract!
Well, hopefully the Brewers don’t have the kind of money to allow Melvin to go full Sabean. He can certainly make them old and bereft of young talent, though.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be too surprised!
Remember that ARod signing and then leaving town?
To bad we burned that bridge with Sheets, he’d be cheapish since that injury put him out. (Yes I have man love for Sheets)
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
he is one of the best pitchers we have ever had.
by Braunstalker on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have him at 61st.
Not really. That was my first filter. I’ll try harder now.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was the first one
those with more than 50 games started, sorted alphabetically?:P
by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, first one was anyone whose ever pitched for the brewers, sorted by ERA+
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Farmer, Sabathia, Hoffman, 1-3.
Whoops.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When did Melvin become Bando?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Sep 23, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we re-animate Harry Dalton?
I think Zombie Dalton might do a better job than Melvin. Just need to keep him furnished with BRAINS!
by Brew Angel on Sep 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't need to re-sign Looper.
He can just exercise Loopers option like he probably will anyway! YES!
by NoahJ on Sep 23, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macha does not like Gamel?
Didn’t he throw McGehee “into the fire”. If I remember Casey really hadn’t done anything to show that he could handle everyday third base until they let him play almost every day.
by Junked on Sep 23, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he threw McGehee into the fire...
If memory serves, he started the season as a PH with the occasional start. He started to hit well, which led to more playing time.
by sjlee on Sep 23, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when do the Brewers send out "Game Recaps" via email the day after you attend a game.
Also, could they not.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 1:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Check out Negative Nancy here!
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tonights lineup
Lopez 4
Gerut 9
Braun 7
Fielder 3
McGehee 5
Cameron 8
Kendall 2
Escobar 6
Narveson 1
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
Move Gerut to 8, put Hart in at 9, and you’re looking at the 2010 Brewers starting lineup.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly I think you are right.
Personally I’d be fine with dropping Hart completely. Something about him rubs me the wrong way.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something like that
Or swinging at junk, poor instincts for the ball and not being able to use his “speed” to steal.
by SgtClueLs on Sep 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we really think Lopez will be a Brewer next year?
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's being faceitous. See his earlier comment.
I don’t think McGehee will be around either.
The rest I don’t have a major issue with being on the team next year.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Kendall isn't starting 120 games next year
I pretty much agree
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, yeah. I've got minor issues with it, but, nothing major.
Escobar batting 8th doesn’t particularly suit my desires either.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I listened to every trade idea the lineup would consist of:
Braun (maybe)
And 50 pitching prospects
by Zorakathura on Sep 23, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you had 50 Brooks Kieschnicks
you’d be in good shape
It is what it is.
by coolig on Sep 23, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be cheaper to keep Weeks
But since I like Weeks, I am counting on Melvin to trade him and keep Lopez. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be surprised for the rest of the lineup to look like that on Opening Day. At the very least, McGehee is going to get an opportunity to keep the 3B job in Spring Training, and he’ll probably have the edge, given Macha’s comments about Gamel.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming McGehee is still with the team, yeah, he'll get a shot.
Depending on what they do this off-season, he may or may not have the edge.
I can’t get behind the “just give Gamel the job” movement, even though I think it’s accepted that he’ll be better in the long run. Giving him some competition can only make him better.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just out of curiosity, what are you expecting McGehee to net in a trade?
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure, haven't really thought about it that much.
I’d prefer to see him on the team next year to take counsell’s place as the super-sub, but I think if DM can get more than he’s worth (again, haven’t thought much about that), then he will.
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with the super-sub comment
Then again, Melvin has a good record of keeping guys 1 year past their peak trade value. Although I’m not sure GMs out there would be willing to risk it on one good season.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 23, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assume
We’ll give him a huge contract, McGehee will hit like his minor league numbers suggest, and we’ll ultimately trade him to Seattle.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Sep 23, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would certainly be par for the course.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 23, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One?
You mean like:
Bill Hall
Jeff Suppan
David Riske
What do they have in common? They all had career years before Doug Melvin signed them to long term contracts. I understand no one could have predicted Riske’s injury, but he was in decline, then had a fluke year, and got paid.
I appreciate the attempt, though.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 23, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We traded Suppan and Riske to Seattle? ;)
by Mykenk on Sep 24, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"It appears likely"
Is what my magic 8 ball says!
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Sep 24, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jon Heyman, apparently not a reader of this thread:
In another switch, Brewers management generally has been pleased by the erudite Macha’s game management, which engendered no significant public criticism, a departure from the Yost regime.
by Rubie Q on Sep 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hah. nice.
I still think the Yost hatred >>> Macha hatred. As great as this topic is, his treatment of Gamel’s really been the only major issue that’s come up, and it’s really not that big of a deal. (yeah yeah, starting corey patterson 2 games in a row, but seriously? it’s <1% of the season, and he appears to have learned from that mistake)
by Mykenk on Sep 23, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You clearly underestimate the danger Corey Patterson presents
He is become Death, destroyer of ballclubs.
by ecocd on Sep 23, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think any of us have complained about his in-game management
I haven’t. His personnel management and playing time allocation have been criticized.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard complaints on the boards here about him leaving pitchers in too long.
Several times at least. And complaints about no stolen bases.
by Yar Nivek on Sep 23, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither from me.
But I’m obviously pretty infuriated about the other stuff.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Sep 23, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Stupid" is as stupid does.
It’s always nice to be reminded that the guy running a team you’ve followed loyally for 30 years has nothing but contempt for you. Particularly when 15 (or more) of those 30 years included rosters that did not constitute an honest attempt at playing winning baseball.
But what do I know? I’m just a stupid fan.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Sep 23, 2009 5:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know how to say this
You’re supposed to, um, well, you’re supposed to go and buy tickets and jerseys and cheer for the team they put on the field for you. Any other opinionating or bringing in food items from the outside or commenting on the sorely outdated and inadequate scoreboard are signs of bandwagoning, hindsight or just general bad fandom.
Please, stop being part of the problems. Start buying….er, being, part of the solution. mmmmkay?
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 23, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
awesome. rec'd
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
by Michael M on Sep 23, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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NL Central Standings
| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
St. Louis
|
91 | 71 | .561 | 0 | Lost 6 |
|
Chicago
|
83 | 78 | .515 | 7.5 | Lost 1 |
|
Milwaukee
|
80 | 82 | .493 | 11 | Won 3 |
|
Cincinnati
|
78 | 84 | .481 | 13 | Won 2 |
|
Houston
|
74 | 88 | .456 | 17 | Lost 3 |
|
Pittsburgh
|
62 | 99 | .385 | 28.5 | Lost 2 |
(updated 11.20.2009 at 10:30 PM CST)
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