The 1-10 Weekend Mug
by NoahJ on Jan 10, 2010 2:25 AM CST
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Some things to read while discussing Coldstone Creamery. (Some NSFW Language)
It's another week of the offseason without too much pertinent Brewers news, though there are definitely some articles worth mentioning. If you want to read about Brewers pitching coach Rick Peterson, Tom H has an article for you. The Brewers will be having a "pitching symposium" in Phoenix where they will focus on planning how they will build pitching in a system that is far from being known for it. Included in that article is the note that during their stay in Phoenix, club officials will meet with Mark Mulder with a possible deal in the near future. I do find this quote from the article interesting:
Because any agreement would include little or no guaranteed money, Ash said Mulder will not be required to throw for club officials before signing.
Personally, if it were me I would want to see a pitcher that I was thinking about signing and who is coming off major injury throw a baseball a little bit first. Especially when Peterson's philosophy centers around biomechanics, which--though I admittedly don't know a lot about it--seems like something where you would actually want to see the pitcher throwing. I can't imagine that it would hurt Mulder's feelings if club officials asked him to throw the ball a couple dozen times. Maybe it's not that big of a deal, but I still find that rather odd.
Over at the Official Site, McCalvy wonders if Prince Fielder's 2009 season was the best ever by a Brewers player. I'm not well versed in Brewers history and so am not in much of a position to comment on it, but McCalvy includes a short list of other candidates for best Brewers season ever.
With the Brewers being connected to several free agent pitchers, Brewers Daily wonders if the Brewers would be better off filling the #5 Starter spot internally with Chris Narveson. I personally would rather sign a pitcher like Ben Sheets or Erik Bedard.
Speaking of Bedard (See that awesome transition?), Circling the Bases is still trying to figure out when he will be able to pitch again after undergoing surgery on his shoulder. The reports have been pretty varied, though almost all sources seem to think it will be sometime after the season starts.
Elsewhere around the Majors:
Royals: DFA'd INF Luis Hernandez
Rangers: Reportedly have signed Vlad Guerrero to play DH and Khalil Greene as a Utility Infielder
Dodgers: Signed P Russ Ortiz to a minor league deal.
Astros: Signed P Brett Myers to a one year deal.
Also, for those advocating the Brewers to sign Jarrod Washburn, it looks like he turned down a one year, $5M deal from the Twins, so that should give some indication of what his pricetag will be.
Thats all I've got, unless you haven't yet voted for spot #4 on the Community Prospect Rankings. The voting closes at 4 PM today.
Oh, and GO BADGERS!
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The 1-10 Weekend Mug
Wow, the Mug and Suppan are going to have the same record this year.
"I like Suppan"
- Noah J. on 12/22/09
by molitorfan on Jan 10, 2010 8:31 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
So
Suppan will have 11 decisions in 2010. Huh.
You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.
The 1 win will come when we make the decision to release him.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Making Mulder throw first
If the contract isn’t guaranteed, then what’s the need? If he comes to camp completely unprepared to perform or having misrepresented his progress in rehab somehow, the Brewers can just send him back home without losing anything.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I guess, but whats the harm in having him throw for a half hour quick first?
I mean, there are very limited innings available in spring training to get a look at guys. If it turns out Mulder is just no good at all, then you waste some of those innings and don’t get as good of a look at the guys who are pitching well.
I’m sure the parties involved aren’t so busy that they can’t afford to have a quick look-see.
Peterson worked with Mulder over the summer, didn't he?
I’m sure not much has changed since then. They’ll have plenty of time to look at him in February either way.
I guess.
I don’t know, I just don’t really see any harm in testing him first unless that really would keep him from signing a non-guaranteed contract. I just don’t know why that would cause him to want a guaranteed contract.
It’s not a big deal or anything, it’s not like I would write angry letters to Doug Melvin if he doesn’t have him throw a little bit.
"Hey Mark, before you sign the contract that isn't going to cost us a dime if you blow your arm out, would you mind throwing about 30 pitches for us?"
“Sure. Give me $100,000 and access to your trainers and facilities if I blow out my arm, and it’s a deal.”
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 10, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I could be wrong...
… but even without a guaranteed contract, I believe an injured player has access to benefits under the CBA if he gets hurt while pitching under contract.
Lame jokes aside, my guess is this has more to do with pride and customary practice than it does any serious concern he’ll hurt himself if they want him to throw first. Mulder may not want to throw in order to persuade a team to sign him to a minor league deal, and if that’s the case, why bother asking him to?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 10, 2010 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
If he's going to bomb, they'll see it before spring training games start.
He’ll take a physical on day 1 of camp, and probably throw on the second or third day. If he’s clearly still damaged, they can say so and let him walk at that point without ever blowing a spring inning on him.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Jan 10, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
holliday's present value
to answer my question from an earlier mug, rosenthal reports the union estimates the present value of the contract is about $113.6M or $16.2M/ year, with the team having a higher discount rate.
Yeah, I saw that
But it should be much less. Even if he’s receiving $17 million per year (with $2m deferred), the present value of the $15 million he’ll actually make in 2016 is much less than $15 million.
In other words, there’s no way they’re only losing $6.4 million, or roughly 5.3% of the value, by stretching payments out over 20 years.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Jan 10, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
the player's union uses very conservative discounting assumptions
probably around inflation or GDP. i’m sure the cards use something around 8-10% or so. (just a guess without looking up costs of capital and estimating their WACC). i’m sure the club values the contract at a much less aggregate value than the union.
by Capt Science on Jan 10, 2010 9:53 PM CST up reply actions
Narveson
I’d like to see what he could do if he started the year in the rotation. I’d much rather have him for league minimum than Garland/Washburn/Davis for $5-8 million.
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
Fielder's '09 season clearly belongs among the best
But I’m not sure any Brewer ever has or ever will have a season that compares to Yount’s 1982.
According to Baseballprojection.com:
2009 Fielder: 6.4 WAR
1982 Yount: 11.5 WAR
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
And it's not even close
Similar hitting production (adjusted for era), but that’s the difference defense makes. I wouldn’t consider historical WAR to be accurate to a decimal, but with that big of a gap it’s not even close.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Aroldis Chapman apparently headed to the NL Central
Confirmed as not the Brewers, sounding like the Reds?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
They were showing interest recently.
Where did you see it was the NL Central? I have only been seeing the NL and $30M.
Thank God that Dusty will always keep them a couple years away from being good
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jan 10, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not sold
the dude is way young and still needs development. By then, they won’t be able to afford Volquez, but will have chapman ready to step in
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
They're saying it could be as long as a 10 year deal.
Don’t they know that Dusty doesn’t let pitchers last 10 years?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
He just packs 10 years worth of pitches into 5 years.
The man’s in a hurry.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 10, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
The Reds have that kind of money?
I remember reading in the Mug early in the offseason that the Reds were trying to shed whatever salary they could.
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Jan 10, 2010 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Link to said Mug
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Jan 10, 2010 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
they cashed in Chris Dickerson's recycling for the deposit?
Snark aside, I’m really boggled by this move; this does explain why they haven’t made any other splashes in the FA market this offseason.
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| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
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Cincinnati
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78 | 55 | .586 | 0 | Won 4 |
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St. Louis
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69 | 62 | .526 | 8 | Lost 5 |
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Houston
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62 | 71 | .466 | 16 | Won 3 |
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Milwaukee
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62 | 71 | .466 | 16 | Lost 3 |
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Chicago
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57 | 77 | .425 | 21.5 | Won 1 |
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Pittsburgh
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44 | 89 | .330 | 34 | Lost 1 |
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