With the Davis signing, Who is the Odd Man Out of the Rotation?
by Lew! on Jan 22, 2010 5:08 PM CST
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PrintWith Suppan coming off an awful year and David Bush equally as well, who do you think is the odd man out of the rotation? David Bush had a 5-9 record with an ERA of 6.38 pitching in 114.1 innings. Jeff Suppan had a 7-12 record with an ERA of 5.29 in 161.2 innings. Who do you think is the odd man out and why? Explain possible options for either Jeff Suppan or Dave Bush.
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He knows
He was the first commenter on it.
I’ll leave this up for now, because it has a poll.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
It's nice to see Soup came by to vote.
by Zorakathura on Jan 22, 2010 7:26 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
as in who would you prefer vs who do you think it will be?
by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 25, 2010 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
The title says "who IS the odd man..."
The poll title says “who SHOULD be…”
neither of which are equivalent to “who do you WANT to be…”
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I don't know if I made this up, but
I thought I had heard that Suppan couldn’t pitch out of the pen because he took too long to warm up to be a viable option.
You didn't make it up
I’ve heard it too, but I’m not sure where.
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by BrewHaHeather on Jan 22, 2010 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Amazing Suppan fact:
He’s still warming up. He should be ready to go in 2012.
by Zorakathura on Jan 22, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
On the case referring to Mr. Bush...
“He’s (Dave Bush) our saver, and the guys on the staff know anytime they can bridge the gap and get to the eighth, we have a savior. We’ll give him the ball because he’s a great athlete, he fields his position well, has a tremendous outlook and mental capacity, and he’s exactly what you want as a closer. He loves it, wants it, does not want to start, but he’ll come in the second inning and pitch if it means a championship. Once I saw him pitch here, I saw him as out closer. Once I saw him throw, I knew he could be in the big leagues.”
- Wake Forest Head Coach George Greer (03/12/2004)
How far will this one fly?
Because Bush is a better pitcher than Garland
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by BrewHaHeather on Jan 25, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
It's impolite to answer a question with a question. :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I'm impolite, so it's all good.
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by Mykenk on Jan 26, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Not worth $4M?
That is absurd. Pitchers are crazy expensive, and Bush’s 2009 stats are poor in large part to a lingering injury, not skill. From 2006-2008 he put up a 4.1 ERA 1.1 WHIP twice. Is he a front of the rotation guy? No, just he is most certainly worth $4M. If he is healthy, he will give us 175+ innings and a 4+era. Mr. Jeff Suppan is, from a talent standpoint, incapable of doing that.
by LosinCatmansLove on Jan 29, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The other thing....
Is if Bush has a good 2010, we could offer him Arby, and potentially get draft picks for him. There is no way we offer Suppan Arby’s.
I think $4M for Bush is pretty reasonable, and I hope he isn’t cut out of ST.
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by Fatter than Joey on Jan 27, 2010 9:01 AM CST reply actions
Parra
What are the chances Parra is put in long relief to begin the season? I understand he has the potential but if Bush outpitches Parra (or Parra refuses to throw the ball over the plate), couldn’t he be relegated to the bullpen until the inevitable injury or Soup buyout?
Chicks Dig The Long Ball.
Probably pretty good especially if Bush pitches well in ST
Suppan doesn’t appear suited for bullpen duty. I think at this point the only starters are Gallardo, Davis and Wolf with the other two spots to be filled by Bush, Parra or Suppan. Plus, I’m not sure if the Brewers are ready to have three lefties in the rotation.
Of the two, Bush will be the one to go to the pen
I hate to say it but they won’t put Suppan in the pen. Bush has been there before and is more capable of pitching from the pen than Suppan. I would rather see Bush in the rotation. The way I see it, Bush will probably end up in the rotation at some point during the season because of injury or ineffectiveness (Parra or Suppan). I like the rotation more this year than last but it still isn’t a great scenario.
Parra to Pen?
I agree with putting Manny Parra to the pen. He provides a strong left arm who can eat up 2-3 innings if needed.
If Needed = When Suppan Starts
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I disagree
From the experience of my not-so-accurate memory, I seem to recall that Parra routinely had a problem with the early innings. It seems like he always got himself in a jam early before settling down (or more ofen than not, continuing to suck the rest of the game). Also, with his propensity to get lost in the big innings of 5+ runs, I don’t think he is mentally suited for relief. If he somehow got that toughness, his strikeout ability would be great for the pen. In addition, I think it is obvious that the organization has bigger plans for Parra than a 2-3 inning guy, he has been given many (and continues to get) chances to be that future number 2 guy behind Yo.
by LosinCatmansLove on Feb 3, 2010 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
But the difference is:
When he’s coming out of the pen, you’re not relying on him going 3 innings, unless the game is already lost. And if that’s the case, you can afford to leave him in for a while.
If he’s the starter, you can’t just take him out after 1 inning when he struggles early. At least not without stretching your bullpen.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
i thought he did okay
in his first call up, where he was used nearly exclusively in relief.
He wasn’t great, but he wasn’t so bad that I had to gouge out my eyes, because my eyes are still here!
I agree, but reach a different conclusion
If his first inning is always the one with the highest potential of a blowout, I would rather him be a starter. As a releiver, he would never get a chance to take those 3 innings and work through it, we would just see his first inning shakes, over and over again.
by LosinCatmansLove on Feb 7, 2010 10:48 AM CST reply actions
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