Bush avoids Arbitration.
4.215M, a .215M Raise.
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i hope this means he is our #5
or at the very least suppan has to pitch well in the spring to get the nod
(Untucks Shirt)
Does this mean that he'll be on the roster?
Or is there still a chance for the Brewers to release him and only pay a portion of his salary?
They can still release him, the rules are around here somewhere...
depends on when he’s released.
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rules, per McCalvy:
“and Bush, whose full salary doesn’t become guaranteed until Opening Day.
If the Brewers cut loose Bush 16 or more days before the season opener, they owe him only one-sixth of his salary. If they cut him between that deadline and Opening Day, he gets one-fourth of his salary. "
by rootsmaneuver on Jan 25, 2010 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
I think the possibility of a trade should be considered before outright release.
Bush is not a terrible pitcher. We could get a reliever or two for him at least.
Minor leaguer?
Because our bullpen is rather full as well.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
Exactly.
Bush isn’t one of those albatrosses that you’d be willing to dump for a lump of hard cheese (I’m looking at you Soup). A couple average AA arms is better than nothing.
Agreed
But I feel that this is still money that could’ve gone (or still go) to Felipe Lopez
by Donald Driver on Jan 26, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Oh yeah, batting average
Similar to the $5M that we paid for 14 wins last year.
Thanks Braden!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
Very different stats
unless you’re a wacko
by Donald Driver on Jan 26, 2010 2:08 PM CST up reply actions
Yep. Wins don't mean much for a PITCHER, BA doesn't mean much for a HITTER.
Difference proven.
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^^This^^
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
You're less concerned with AVG love?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
I should have put BA
so as to not confuse anyone and make them think I was referring to the free Anti Virus program everyone and their kin uses.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
His hair always looks nice, doesn't it?
He’s like the 2000’s version of Jimmy Johnson. Not the racecar driver. The ex-Miami head coach. Not Ohio.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
The Miami called their “head coach” a “chief”
by PagsBrewCrew on Jan 26, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah wOBA for the win
it just puts in everything you generally want to know about a hitter into one convenient stat.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
If the choice is between paying $4M for Lopez or $4M for Bush...
I think Bush gets the nod.
Despite now having 6 starters on the team, there are really only 5 that are MLB-quality.
Even if Weeks struggles, the Brewers have Counsell to play 2B… or they could even shift McGehee there.
Would you want either of those guys hitting leadoff?
I guess I’m just worried about Weeks. No reason not to be though.
by Donald Driver on Jan 26, 2010 2:10 PM CST up reply actions
I know where you're coming from, but you don't sign an expensive piece just in case someone else gets hurt.
Team like the Brewers can’t afford it. If anyone gets hurt, we burn that bridge when we get there, can’t plan for every contingency.
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Disagree
I would rather start the season with no holes, and an insurance policy in case a pitcher goes down…
than..
starting the season with a big hole at SP and an insurance plan in case an infielder goes down.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Not an ideal situation, but it would work.
On the other hand, having Suppan in the rotation and not having a backup option is not acceptable.
Besides...
I was talking about defensive position, not batting order. If Weeks isn’t able to play, they have other options for leadoff… including Escobar.
What is it that you're looking for in a leadoff hitter? A high batting average?
Weeks’ career OBP is above league average. And when you’re looking at a leadoff hitter, the most important thing is the ability to get on base.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I would be looking for high OBP obviously
Duh.
by Donald Driver on Jan 26, 2010 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
What do you mean 'duh'?
You’re talking about wanting a guy to hit .300. Then you’re saying there’s no reason I should bring up wins for pitching when we’re talking about batting average for hitting. And then, you’re saying you don’t want Rickie Weeks to hit leadoff, even though his OBP is higher than league average. And NOW, you say you WANT a high OBP.
If your mouth had three sides would you continue to try talking out of all of them?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
For reference
Weeks’ career OBP is .351, Lopez’s is .338.
Lopez’s OBP last year was .383.
If there was every a case for regression (besides Casey McGehee, I suppose), it would be Felipe Lopez.
Duh.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
I can say three different things and they can all be true
I was saying duh to mock what I percieved to be an “everything I say is right” vibe coming from you. Alright, the reason I say that Batting average is a more telling stat than wins is A. Because batting average reflects what the player is doing himself, not the run support he’s getting. B. Because I think that getting a hit is more valuable than a walk. A hit advances the baserunners in pretty much every situation, and advances them further than a walk does. Got a guy on second? Get a walk, there’s guys on first and second. Get a hit, a run scores and there’s a guy on first. Yeah OBP is more important but you can’t only look at that without other stats. So yeah, I’ll take a guy with a .320 average and a .407 OBP over a guy with a .272 average and a .340 OBP or even if the guy has a .272 average and a .407 OBP. I’m not sure why you would try and say that how often a guy gets a hit in his plate appearances is unimportant but you’re wrong. If Weeks comes back after having surgery on both wrists and plays close to as well as Lopez on offense and defense, then I’ll be happy. If he has a high OBP I’ll be happy. If he has an above average OBP I guess I’ll be ok. But if he comes back and gets reinjured or plays as poorly as he has at times in the past we’re certainly going to be wishing for Lopez. At no point did I contradict myself through this entire conversation.
by Donald Driver on Jan 26, 2010 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
I guess your sarcastic comment was the contradiction
I wouldn’t have bothered to try and sort that out if I knew you were actually just being facetious.
The problem with your batting average, is that a hit is not solely the responsibility of a batter, nor is a single differentiated from a double, a triple, or a home run. The only of all of those that a hitter can claim full responsibility for is the home run.
There were only 9 hitters in all of MLB last year who had an OBP of .407 or above, and 5 of those had a batting average of .320 or greater. I get that you’re trying to be extreme in your example, but you’re talking the top of the top in terms of OBP with .407. Interestingly, the only guy I find with exactly a .407 OBP was Adrian Gonzalez…and he had a .277 batting average.
All things being equal, OBP can only be as low as batting average. I don’t care if you have a .320 batting average, if you only have a .330 OBP, you should be hitting 7th.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 11:13 PM CST up reply actions
Actually those were Lopez's Brewer numbers from last year
by Donald Driver on Jan 26, 2010 11:31 PM CST up reply actions
Which were WAY better than his career numbers.
And shouldn’t be counted on to be predictive of the future. At all.
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^^this^^
…again…
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 27, 2010 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
David Bush says all the right things:
http://brewersbeat.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/01/bush_ready_for_all_scenarios.html
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Bush seems to have always been a team player
It would be a shame if he ended up getting released before Opening Day.
Bush is a good guy. I got to talk to him for a bit after one of those Brewer block parties.
To Yost him: He competes out there. And battles.
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Jan 26, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Seems like a smart dude
Wake Forest education and he used to be a catcher.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 26, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
Payroll
at around $82.893M (and that’s assuming only the $4.15M club figure for Hart, and a league min for the final 25-man spot).
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Jan 25, 2010 10:00 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
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