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"We didn't want this to drag out," Werner added. "We filed a number that we feel is very strong in his process and we were hopeful that we could reach some common ground. They felt like the number that we put out there this week was not appropriate for how they view Corey's performance."

Via Adam McCalvy. Werner is club negotiator Teddy Werner, and this quote is in reference to Corey Hart's salary negotiations.

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i wanna know what kinda glasses they watched last season through

because i’d like several pairs.

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-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Jan 30, 2010 2:00 PM CST reply actions  

too easy

but good enough to get the rec

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Jan 30, 2010 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

At that point he'd only really had a bad half-season

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 30, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Dear, Corey Hart,

Put together a good season, then get paid. Craig Counsell out performed you last year, dude.

by Braunstalker on Jan 30, 2010 2:14 PM CST reply actions  

JJ Hardy got a .5M dollar raise...

You don’t need to have a good season to get paid…

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by Mykenk on Jan 30, 2010 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

But you do need to be somewhat valuable.

Even in an offensive down year, Hardy was still relatively valuable due to his defensive ability and the position he played.

Meanwhile, as a corner outfielder who’s not particularly good defensively, Hart is slipping toward replacement level.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 30, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Arbitrators also have a well known bias toward good looking individuals, which corey is not.

by Jeo on Jan 30, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec

always when my whole family looks at me as I’m laughing aloud and says “what’s so funny” only to have me realize that if I read that quote to them, they would stare blankly at me and then continue what they’re doing.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 30, 2010 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

OMK

Oh, My Kenk, that was funny

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Jan 31, 2010 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

True

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by Mykenk on Jan 30, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeff Francouer just signed for $5M in his second year of arb

And Frenchy is an inferior player to Hart(92 vs 106 career OPS+). Andre Ethier is better than Hart(130ish OPS+) and just had his last 2 years of arb bought out for $15M, with the third year at $9.25M.

Hart’s number isn’t outrageous when you compare it to that. I think if it goes to a hearing the Brewers lose.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Jan 30, 2010 4:05 PM CST reply actions  

So in other words:

“We gave them a number we thought was fair and told them we’d come up a little, and they’re on crack.”

But I tend to agree with Getting Yosted. There’s a reason why teams try to avoid hearings. The system is set up to favor the players, in my opinion, largely because the assumption coming is that the player has been playing for 20-40% of their actual value prior to the hearing. That and the fact that the arbitrators have to pick between the two numbers that were filed, rather than try to find some common ground, makes it hard for the teams to win. I think Hart is delusional about the kind of player he really is (and even worse, he doesn’t appear to have the first clue how to get better even though there are some examples of how to do it right in front of him), but he probably wins if it goes to hearing.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 30, 2010 4:24 PM CST reply actions  

Frequently this argument is presented for a crappy player who gets lots of playing time:

Player: I want (amount).
Team: That’s too much. You’re clearly not good enough to be worth that.
Player: If I’m that bad, why did you play me every day?

At first I didn’t understand the Jim Edmonds signing. Now I realize, though, that it completely negates this argument. Here’s how it goes now:

Hart: I want $4.8 million.
Team: That’s too much. You’re clearly not good enough to be worth that.
Hart: If I’m that bad, why did you play me every day?
Team: Won’t happen again. We just signed a 40 year old outfielder to outplay you.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 30, 2010 11:32 PM CST up reply actions  

That's exactly my thinking, as well

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 31, 2010 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I like how $615k here is a big deal

But paying five times that for a reliever is an easy choice.

by TheJay on Jan 30, 2010 6:29 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

That'll get you a rec

even more ridiculous than it was when you’re thinking in those terms.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 30, 2010 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Either way, he'll have a chip on his shoulder

If he wins the arbitration, then he plays angry to show the Brewers they’re lucky to have him for under $5 MM. If he loses arbitration he plays angry to show everyone that he’s better than that.
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Or if he wins, he becomes even more of an arrogant ass and takes it to mean hitting breaking balls down and away really isn’t that important and doesn’t bother trying to improve as a player. If he loses arbitration he sulks until Macha has no choice but to bench him in favor of Gerut on a daily.

The Brewers only owe him 1/4 of his salary if they release him before Opening Day, right? If Hart shows he still can’t hit a breaking ball during Spring Training and is just going to be a replacement level player, won’t they have cheaper options even with swallowing $1.2MM of his salary? Put that $3.4-3.6 MM towards a cheap deal (Edmonds?) and a midseason acquisition.

by ecocd on Jan 30, 2010 10:29 PM CST reply actions  

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