Bert Blyleven only player to reach 75% in SBN Hall of Fame vote
by Kyle Lobner on Jan 4, 2010 1:01 PM CST
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PrintThis isn't exactly Brewer related, but since we've discussed it here before, I wanted to share the results of SB Nation's voting for the Hall of Fame. As you may recall, I voted for Roberto Alomar, Bert Blyleven, Barry Larkin, Edgar Martinez, Mark McGwire and Tim Raines. Here are the results:
| Player | % Vote | Total Votes |
| Bert Blyleven | 92.3% | 48 |
| Roberto Alomar | 73.1% | 38 |
| Barry Larkin | 63.5% | 33 |
| Tim Raines | 53.8% | 28 |
| Mark McGwire | 51.9% | 27 |
| Edgar Martinez | 48.1% | 25 |
| Alan Trammell | 40.4% | 21 |
| Andre Dawson | 32.7% | 17 |
| Lee Smith | 26.9% | 14 |
| Fred McGriff | 25.0% | 13 |
| Dale Murphy | 17.3% | 9 |
| Jack Morris | 13.5% | 7 |
| Don Mattingly | 11.5% | 6 |
| Harold Baines | 7.7% | 4 |
| Dave Parker | 3.8% | 2 |
| Kevin Appier | 3.8% | 2 |
| Ellis Burks | 1.9% | 1 |
| Ray Lankford | 1.9% | 1 |
| Shane Reynolds | 1.9% | 1 |
| Not receiving votes: Andres Galarraga, Pat Hentgen, Mike Jackson, Eric Karros, David Segui, Robin Ventura, Todd Zeile | ||
Here is a link to the ballots, sorted by blog. The other BCB ballot was cast by TheJay.
Thanks to everyone who helped me compile my ballot, and congratulations to Bert Blyleven on earning induction into our imaginary HOF. Hopefully the BBWAA will follow suit and induct him as well.
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The big cat doesn't get a vote
but shane reynolds does?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I've been a little puzzled by the lack of support for the cat too...
… but I haven’t said anything because I assumed that my confusion was due to my own lack of knowledge. I’m not sure he’s HOF, but I think he deserves more consideration than he appears to have gotten thus far.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 4, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
once you get past a certain point
I’m not sure the numbers remain relevant. I’m sure some people give a guy a vote in an effort to keep him on the ballot, but I’m not sure the difference between 0, 5 and 20 percent is relevant.
For proof of that, look at a guy like David Cone. Probably not a hall of famer, but probably merited a look, and got negligible support in his only shot.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Jan 4, 2010 1:51 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not
He’s got the saber literate seal of approval.
I’m more surprised that he was the only one with 75% of the votes. The fact that there are only something like 2 voters with the same mindset, probably is not good for Bert’s HOF induction.
same here
I was amazed that Larkin and Alomar did not get in on this vote.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I'm also surprised martinez and raines didn't get more support here
But I’m surprised by how much McGwire got.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Jan 4, 2010 2:04 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Raines
I’m really shocked how little Raines got. I’m starting to think he’s the most underrated ballplayer of all time.
by kingcharlesxii on Jan 4, 2010 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
McGwire...
I am too. I thought I am an odd one out—viewing myself as a very narrow minority that would vote for McGwire. I can understand both sides, but reality is that I thought there would be a lot more not voting for him.
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by Bush League All Star on Jan 5, 2010 1:29 AM CST up reply actions
I think this is how votes will trend on McGwire.
Each passing year a larger portion of the voters who had refused to vote for him before will relent and give in to his numbers. And as the voting pool gets younger, the steroid issue will lose importance as the embarassment and sense of betrayal among the writers who essentially served as the steroid era’s publicists is felt by fewer and fewer. He’s getting in. It’s just a question of when.
What irritates me is that he could probably shorten the entire process by telling the truth and apologizing instead of cowering behind LaRussa and the Cardinals who are treating one of their employees like he’ll melt if they expose him to the media.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 5, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
I do think the SBN numbers will be more supportive of McGwire than the complete BBWAA vote will turn out to be...
… simply because my guess is that SBN writers are younger and care less about the steroid issue than their “traditional media” counterparts. Assuming any of those guys still have jobs anymore.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 5, 2010 8:14 AM CST up reply actions
He is a HOF'er
I think he has the profile of a guy that has to wait to get in. He’s not first ballot material. He has numbers that make him a HOF’er, kind of like a Ralph Kiner or Harmon Killebrew. Add in the steriod issue and his worthiness is just too foggy this early in his candidacy.
As time goes on he should increase his votes and eventually get in. You are right when you say an admittance would speed up the process. It will be interesting to see what his percentage is this year from the BBWWA guys to see if there is an upward trend. He might be an under the wire guy like Rice or Blyleven.
I think it is sensible to not vote for Mac at this point
I think a lot of writers are simply waiting for the whole steroid issue to unfold, and see if the big picture becomes any clearer.
We have learned a lot in the last 5 years, and I suspect, in the upcoming 4-5 years, it will be easier to judge the impact that steroids in fact had.
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Jan 5, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
But are all the SB blogs SABR-oriented?
(And that’s not intended sarcastically, that’s a genuine question.)
I get the impression that they are
Ive read most of the NL ones and a few of the AL ones, they all seem to have numbers based, as well as numbers backed up by context based, beliefs.
Based on the five or so I've really read
It varies. They’re clearly much more saber-oriented than most of the baseball commentary world, but to different extents; I would say Amazin’ Avenue, the Mets blog, is really hardcore saber, and DRaysBay is as well, though that’s more based on what I hear, as I don’t read the Rays one too often. OvertheMonster (Red Sox) and The Snakepit (D-backs) are definitely much less into saber-stats, far less than BCB is, but they make reference to them sometimes. And, well, clearly there are some blogs that didn’t vote for Blyleven, which I have to feel reflects poorly on saberness, but that’s just my assumption.
Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?
Ahh the evil bcb
where vitriol is considered a quantifiable measure.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
They cast two ballots:
Ballot 1: Alomar, Blyleven, Dawson, Larkin, Martinez, McGriff, McGwire, Smith
Ballot 2: Blyleven, Dawson, Raines, Smith
So they’re not the suspects here.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Just in general
But are all the SB blogs SABR-oriented?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Well, if you want to use Blyleven as a measure of SABR-friendliness:
Four of the 52 ballots didn’t include him. They came from Bluebird Banter (Jays), FishStripes (Marlins), Gaslamp Ball (Padres), and Pinstripe Alley (Yankees).
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Odd...
Jays and Padres have recently been known for having Saber-friendly front offices.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
Well the Red Sox definitely have a saber-friendly front office
But Over the Monster, as I noted above, isn’t a particularly saber-friendly site.
Not that I have a problem with their site, to be clear, they’re just definitely not as in to the whole stats-thing as BCB is, for example.
Brewers Baseball and other assorted nonsense (mostly the assorted nonsense) at my blog, What's a Tararrel?
Worth noting
I should have mentioned this in my first comment, but both FishStripes and Gaslamp Ball submitted two ballots, and Blyleven was only left off one of them.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I'd think Raines would be a better yardstick
being that his swell of support comes mostly from numbers guys.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Ok then:
Yes (either one voter or both voting yes):
Amazin Avenue (Mets)
Beyond the Box Score
Bluebird Banter
Bucs Dugout
DRays Bay
Halos Heaven
Let’s Go Tribe
Lone Star Ball (Rangers)
McCovey Chronicles (Giants)
Minor League Ball
Red Reporter
The Good Phight
True Blue LA
No (either one voter or both voting no):
AZ Snakepit
Camden Chat
Federal Baseball (Nats)
Gaslamp Ball
MLB Daily Dish
Pinstripe Alley (Yankees)
Purple Row (Rockies)
Royals Review
South Side Sox
Talking Chop (Braves)
Twinkie Town
Split (two votes, one yes, one no):
A’s Nation
Bleed Cubbie Blue
Brew Crew Ball
Bless You Boys (Tigers)
Crawfish Boxes (Astros)
FishStripes (Marlins)
Over the Monster (Red Sox)
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
looks like Jay has some splainin to do
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
If I voted again, I would probably include Raines
I collaborated with my father on the ballot since he was around to see more of the guys on the list. We decided not to go with Raines but I don’t remember why.
Well, I still like Jack Morris
But Bert is more deserving. And when it comes to getting votes from other Hall of Famers, they should have a better appreciation for Blyleven than Morris. Jack’s numbers are neutral – the HOFers he played against the most pretty much hit the way you would expect them to. Blyleven was much different. His most common HOF opponents (George Brett, Reggie Jackson, Robin Yount) were a combined .196 with 9 HRs in 382 at bats.
career vs. HOF
.257 / .307 / .406 – Blyleven
.283 / .357 / .446 – Morris
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