Brewers to Sign Another Starter?
by bleedbluegold03 on Jan 5, 2010 10:03 AM CST
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Jon Garland/Doug Davis/Jarrod Washburn — The Brewers almost certainly will sign one of those three; the Mets, Dodgers, Cardinals and Angels could be in the mix for the others, along with the Nationals and Orioles.
At the beginning of the offseason DM promised us 2 new pitchers and with the deferring of the Wolf contract to 2010 to free up $4 million coupled with the slow market for pitchers this offseason it would appear he may hold up to that promise. While all three pitchers are roughly the same in terms of quality and age which one would you want most on the team?
My vote goes to Jon Garland as he is 30 and a RHP (we don't need 3 LHP in our starting pitching) with Washburn second although its clear to see last year was probably the best of his career and at 35 his best is almost certainly behind him though his age and offering him a chance to play close to home could lower the cost compared to the other 2 (he has stated in Fall he wants to end his career with Minnesota or Wisconsin).
Here are some stats:
Jon Garland - 30 yrs old, RHP, 204 IP, 1.40 WHIP, 4.01 ERA (made $6,250,000)
Doug Davis -34 yrs old, LHP, 203.1 IP, 1.5 WHIP, 4.12 ERA (made $8,750,000 in '09)
Jarrod Washburn - 35 yrs old, LHP, 176 IP, 1.19 WHIP, 3.76 ERA (made $9,850,000 in '09)
Here is Hunt's opinion on the subject: Hunt's Article
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Washburn
Bring him home to Wisconsin. He was pitching great last year before the trade, and he’s never really had a bad year. He’s got at least a year left, let’s buy it if we can afford it.
agreed
hes clearly the best pitcher of the three (if he can stay healthy???) .. if not washburn, lets go garland as a close 2nd choice. but no doubt, very interesting news this morning, knowing that this could bump soup or bush out of the rotation!!
by BrewerBlue87 on Jan 5, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
No thanks
The guy is going to be 35 next year, and the “good” part of his season came in pitcher friendly Safeco Field. He will maybe be worth an extra win.
As noted in the Mug, Washburn or Davis would make it 3 LHP in the starting rotation, not really a good recipe for success in a division with a few big time right handed power bats.
Garland is the best and youngest of the 3, but he wouldnt come as cheaply as the Brewers would like.
All in all, if you add any of these 3 players it turns the team into a 83 or 84 win team vs a 82 or 83 win team. A lot of money spent on a zero net gain. Save the money and put it back into scouting and player development.
If it's a one-year deal.
If it is a one-year deal, Washburn is clearly the best pitcher of the three.
Garland
Garland is the best of the three. Doug Davis wouldn’t be bad either. I wouldn’t want Washburn at all, his career-year numbers a big result of SafeCo and he was terrible with the Tigers. My bet is he’d make us yearn for Jeff Suppan.
How about signing a pitcher with some Upside for a Change
Like Eric Bedard!
Possibly a $3 Million base with incentives for makeing lotsof starts up to say $7 Million.
thoughts?
me too!!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
For that matter Why not Sheets
Lets Kiss and make up with Ben. He’s had a year to get healthy and imagine if he is right what he Yo and Wolf could do! Hes bound to have to take an incentive deal!
Melvin, swallow your pride on this one.
I'd be fine with it if we could get him on a similar contract to what we could get Bedard for
I’m still not sold on the fact that he’s healthy. Why is he being so quiet? Why hasn’t he done any throwing for teams?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I keep reading that he's going to throw for teams this month.
No idea when though.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 5, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ironically....
… I read this just as I was watching an Office rerun in which Michael kissed an obviously unenthusiastic Oscar after outing him against his will. Melvin might be interested in kissing and making up, but I’m guessing Sheets, if given the option of an incentive laden deal in Milwaukee and a similar deal anywhere else, would take the anywhere else.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 5, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
Because Sheets has made no secret of the fact that he was upset with the Brewers about the way his tenure here ended.
The first time I heard it reported it was because they tried to keep Sabathia and not him (or both), but that was before it became public exactly how badly he was injured. I don’t know if there was more to it than that, and I’m certainly not saying that I agree with his outlook.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 6, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
It might be just me
but getting booed off the field after throwing your arm out in a FA year while trying to help the club get to the playoffs might leave him a bit salty about Milwaukee in general, not just the organization.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jan 6, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I could see that,
but let’s look it from another angle…
Maybe Sheets knew he was injured… probably not how severely, but he probably had an inkling there was something wrong. Being that it was a FA year, he tried to tough it out and continue pitching. Yes, he was trying to help the team, but I’m sure he was also trying to keep the injury under wraps so as not to hurt his chances with other teams.
I don’t recall ever seeing Sheets get booed… are you sure you aren’t getting him mixed up with Turnbow or Gagne?
In any case, even if Sheets starts throwing soon, I doubt if DM will consider signing him… at least to an MLB contract. As injury-prone as he was with the Brewers, I’m not sure if he’d be willing to gamble on him after coming off a major surgery. DM might consider offering a minor league contract, but I’m sure that another team would be willing to gamble and offer more to him.
Remember that he did turn down arbitration from the Brewers soon after
I doubt he knew the severity of his injury.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
It is the JS online comments
But the Sept 27th, 2008 game thread is missing from the archives, so it’s the only thing I was able to find quickly. It’s possible they confused Sheets with Gagne or Turnbow, as it is the JS Online. But the probability is vanishingly small as Gagne’s last game in the regular season was Sept 25th and Turnbow had been in AAA for five months.
But you’re so right. You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a pitcher who willing takes the mound with an elbow/arm injury of unknown severity in a FA year to prove their ‘toughness’ or ‘grittiness’, so Ben should have expected the classless response from the Brewers fans in attendance that day.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Jan 8, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
How far away is Aroldis Chapman?
if the Blue Jays are seriously considering signing him for something around 21mil, why aren’t we?
Because we don't have 21 million
Its very unlikely he would be able to help the big league team this year anyway.
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Jan 5, 2010 9:43 PM CST up reply actions
Even if we did have 21 million, that is way to big of a question mark to spend that on.
We bitched plenty about Bill Hall’s contract, which was $24M total, but he did more to deserve that money than Chapman has so far.
I would be happy with either Garland or Washburn. If the Crew could nab one these two pitchers. I think the Brewers would have a decent rotation this season going into spring training.
The Brewers wouldn't have to sign either to have a "decent" rotation.
Think addition through subtraction.
It's funny
It’s taken 3 years and about $35 million before DM would say that Suppan would have to earn a roster spot.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Ben Sheets headed to Cubs?
I’m sure most of you have seen this (albeit a rumor):
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Ben-Sheets-headed-to-Cubs-?urn=mlb,213042#comments
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