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BCB Community Prospect Rankings: Vote for #4

Mat Gamel ran away with the vote for #3, so here's where we stand so far:

1. Alcides Escobar
2. Brett Lawrie
3. Mat Gamel

Here are the nominees for #4:

Eric Arnett
Zach Braddock
Jonathan Lucroy
Jake Odorizzi
Angel Salome

Follow the jump for more on the nominees, then vote in the poll below. Voting will remain open for 24 hours, with voting for #5 opening at 4 pm tomorrow.

Star-divide

Eric Arnett, RHP

Rankings:

John Sickels: 3
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 5
Baseball America: 4
FanGraphs: NR (Rankings ended at 10)
Diamond Futures: 7
Baseball Intellect (preliminary): 2
The Hardball Times: 5

Age: 21
Seasons in minors: 1
Top level reached in 2009: Rookie

2009 Statistics:
Helena (R+): 14 G, 0-4, 4.41 ERA, 34.2 IP, 33 H, 21 BB, 35 K

Zach Braddock, LHP

Rankings:

John Sickels: 11
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 6
Baseball America: 7
FanGraphs: 4
Diamond Futures: 8
Baseball Intellect (preliminary): 6
The Hardball Times: 6

Age: 22
Seasons in minors: 4
Top level reached in 2009: AA

2009 Statistics:
Brevard County (A+): 14 G, 1-1, 1.09 ERA, 24.2 IP, 12 H, 4 BB, 40 K
Huntsville (AA): 12 G, 2-1, 2.87 ERA, 15.2 IP, 16 H, 3 BB, 22 K

Jonathan Lucroy, C

Rankings:

John Sickels: 4
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 4
Baseball America: 5
FanGraphs: 5
Diamond Futures: 5
Baseball Intellect (preliminary): 3
The Hardball Times: 4

Age: 23
Seasons in minors: 3
Top level reached in 2009: AA

2009 Statistics:
Huntsville (AA): 506 PA, .267/.380/.418, 32 2B, 2 3B, 9 HR, 61 R, 66 RBI, 1 SB, 1 CS

Jake Odorizzi, RHP

Rankings:

John Sickels: 7
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 13
Baseball America: 9
FanGraphs: 6
Diamond Futures: 10
Baseball Intellect (preliminary): 4
The Hardball Times: 10

Age: 19
Seasons in minors: 2
Top level reached in 2009: Rookie

2009 Statistics:
Helena (R+): 12 G, 1-4, 4.40 ERA, 47 IP, 55 H, 9 BB, 43 K

Angel Salome, C

Rankings:

John Sickels: 14
Brewerfan.net Power 50: 7
Baseball America: 15
FanGraphs: 10
Diamond Futures: 6
Baseball Intellect (preliminary): 10
The Hardball Times: 7

Age: 23
Seasons in minors: 6
Top level reached in 2009: AAA

2009 Statistics:
Nashville (AAA): 314 PA, .286/.334/.414, 14 2B, 2 3B, 6 HR, 32 R, 44 RBI, 0 SB, 0 CS

Poll
Who is the Brewers' #4 prospect?
Eric Arnett
39 votes
Zach Braddock
41 votes
Jonathan Lucroy
157 votes
Jake Odorizzi
12 votes
Angel Salome
15 votes

264 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm actually voting for Braddock here

Everybody knows he’s had electric strikeout stuff for his whole minor league career, the big question going into 2009 was whether he could harness his control. He responded with a 1.57 BB/9 between A+ and AA to go with a 13.95 K/9 (8.86 K/BB) and a 0.875 WHIP. How much better do you need to get?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jan 9, 2010 5:00 PM CST reply actions  

The innings pitched part is the issue

A top-notch reliever is worth something, but I won’t vote for Braddock here just because of the durability factor. This was a healthy year and he barely threw 40 innings. I value him a lot, but I’m going Lucroy here.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jan 9, 2010 5:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point

Though I think he’s pretty clearly destined for the bullpen at this point and 40 IP isn’t bad for a guy who was used as a reliever all year (although I’m guessing his actual pitch count was relatively low). The important thing is he showed what he can do when healthy, and he had about as good of a year as anyone can have in A+/AA. If he keeps it up I think he can optimistically be projected as a major league closer.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Jan 9, 2010 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

160 or so innings of the numbers he put up and he's the #1 prospect in all of baseball

I do wonder a bit about his future role— this year, he was mainly pitching on a rotation out of the bullpen, like 2 innings every 3 days or 1 every other day. I don’t know how he’ll handle being asked to pitch back to back days. We’ll see how they handle him, but it’s pretty exciting to have a guy this good at pitching in the system.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Jan 9, 2010 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I went with Arnett

All of the guys to choose from are nice prospects, but of the names on the list, at least imo, Arnett is the only one with Ace potential or all star quality. Odirizzi has that but is way too raw, Braddock is a relief pitcher, who knows about Salome, and Lucroy, even if successful is a solid major leaguer as his ceiling, which at catcher is quite good.

by backtocali on Jan 9, 2010 5:26 PM CST reply actions  

LuCroy

No reasons.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 9, 2010 6:49 PM CST reply actions  

Lucroy

He’s been consistently good throughout his career at a key position.

"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC

by BrewHaHeather on Jan 9, 2010 9:48 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that's my reason

Mostly, also, because he appears to be a nice hitting prospect at a defensively minded position, which also just happens to be a position of great need for the team.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 9, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup

The main thing that nudged him over Braddock in my mind was the consistency at just about every level. I feel like we know exactly what we’re getting in him.

by Cheeseandcorn on Jan 9, 2010 10:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Plus, of the options listed, he's the only sure thing.

Odorizzi and Arnett haven’t pitched above rookie ball, Braddock has the aforementioned injury concerns and limits, and the organization doesn’t seem sold on Salome.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Jan 10, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

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