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The Candidate Collection: Looking At Three More

We've got a lot of these to consider, so I'll get right to it.

Today we're looking at Braves AAA manager Dave Brundage and two Rays: Bench coach Dave Martinez and third base coach Tom Foley.

Follow the jump for scouting reports and more!

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Dave Brundage:

The basics: Brundage spent ten seasons as an outfielder in the Phillies and Mariners organizations but topped out in AAA. He spent four seasons as a player in AAA before retiring and managing in the Mariner organization in 1995, and with the exception of one attempted comeback (1998), he's been managing in the minors ever since.

Brundage has managed for 12 seasons, nine of them at AA or above. He's 895-842 in 1737 career games.

Brewer connection: None

Scouting report: This report comes from CB Wilkins of Talking Chop.

I think Brundage would be an excellent choice for a team looking for a manager who could bring fresh perspective to the Major Leagues. His playing experience allowed him a somewhat unique perspective on the game, as he spent the majority of his 10 year career as an outfielder, but also made occasional appearances as a pitcher before moving to the mound full time in his final season. He's spent 12 seasons as a Minor League manager, including the last 4 at Atlanta's AAA manager.

Obviously the talent he's had on any given team has been mostly out of his control, but Brundgae generally leads his teams to winning records, and that has a lot to do with the fact that he gets the most out of his players. As a manager he stresses fundamentals, expecting his team to play solid defense and to do the little things, hit and runs, taking the extra base, bunting, to win games. He fan of putting the pressure on the other team in whatever way he can and would generally prefer to build a team around contact and quickness. 

Any manager can usher the top flight prospects toward the Majors, but the really great ones take the average players and help them become Big Leaguers. You don't need to look any further than Martin Prado, who turned himself into a prospect while playing in Richmond under Brundage in 2007. Prado focued on the fundamentals and that helped him go from an organizational roster-filler, to a Major League utility player, to a National League All-Star. For a Major League team to be successful it has to get the most it can out of the fringe players. The stars are going to be stars, but the team's fortunes really rely on how the rest of the team plays, and that's where a manager like Brundage can make a huge difference, getting the most out of every player on the roster.

Dave Martinez:

The basics: Martinez was a longtime major leaguer and journeyman, playing 16 seasons for nine teams and retiring in 2001. According to his B-Ref page, he had both the first hit and inside the park home run in Rays franchise history. He was hired as the Rays' bench coach in 2007 and has been there ever since, making two playoff appearances and a World Series appearance with the team.

Brewer connection: None

Scouting report: This comes from Tommy Rancel of ESPN 1040, Bloomberg Sports and Bright House Sports Network.

When Joe Maddon took over as Rays' manager before the 2006 season Bill Evers, a coach under Lou Piniella, remained as Maddon's bench coach. After two seasons, Evers was replaced with former Devil Ray Dave Martinez. Although he wasn't officially hired until '07, Martinez had spent time with the team in spring as an instructor.

The fact Martinez was hired by Andrew Friedman to be the right-hand man of Joe Maddon says a lot in itself. One of the more openly progressive statistical organizations in baseball, Martinez had buy into the Rays' belief system or he wouldn't have been hired.

It is hard to say what type of in-game manager he would be since he hasn't had a full-time opportunity yet. That said, Joe Maddon has been tossed a few times over the past two seasons - giving Davey some on the job training. From what we have seen, Martinez follows a similar usage pattern in the bullpen and with pinch-hitters as Maddon. In addition, to his duties as bench coach Martinez has also helped the Rays baserunning game.

 

Tom Foley:

The basics: Foley was a 13 year major leaguer from 1983-1995, and has been a coach with the Rays organization for the entirety of the team's existence.

Brewer connection: None

Scouting report: Tommy Rancel has us covered again here.

A hold over from...well every coach before Joe Maddon, Tom Foley has been in the Rays' organization since the very beginning. The fact that four seperate managers with four seperate styles decided Foley was worth keeping should tell you something about how he is regarded amongst his peers.

Like Martinez, it's hard to gauge on what type of manager Foley would make, but numbers show he is one of the most aggressive third base coaches in the league. He has interviewed for Rays' manager in the past and was also on the Pittsburgh Pirates' radar at one point in time.

Despite Martinez having a little in-game experience, knowing how he, or Foley, would handle a pitching staff on an everyday basis is unknown; however, both would be a nice fit for a youthful Brewers' lineup.

Poll
Which of these three candidates most deserve to be considered for the Brewer managerial vacancy?
Dave Brundage
70 votes
Dave Martinez
114 votes
Tom Foley
24 votes
None should be considered.
111 votes

319 votes | Poll has closed

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I voted for Brundage

Just so that in the future I can photoshop this picture.

by nullacct on Oct 11, 2010 1:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It sounds like Brundage

would go insane managing this team. The Brewers quite suck at ’the little things." Who knows, maybe they need someone like that. His piercing green eyes certainly would put the fear in me if they were full of anger.

by Braunstalker on Oct 11, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

It all depends

From the description it sounds like he’d be focused more on getting the marginal players to produce and let the stars play their game. I think he’d get a lot of buy-in from the players for that approach.

by nullacct on Oct 11, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah,

come to think of it, I more or less assumed all managers did this, but they likely don’t. Man, I wish we could read the (edited of course) transcripts of these interviews if, and when, they happen.

by Braunstalker on Oct 11, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd give a finger

To hear the conversations that took place between the coaching staff and the players this year. At some times it looked like some of the guys (Braun and Parra come to mind) looked exasperated, as if they’d been punished for trying to do the right thing.

by nullacct on Oct 11, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm relatively sure

that Braun & Parra have looked exasperated for half their career anyway…

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by Mykenk on Oct 11, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Martinez

For the same reasons I went for Roenicke in the previous poll.

Good organizational bloodlines, is the right hand man of Maddon and was hand picked by Friedman.

Again, probably no chance in hell DM selects him for the Brewer job, much less interviews him. Bring on the retreads!

by backtocali on Oct 11, 2010 1:21 PM CDT reply actions  

So, question

are you in favor of a bench coach of a successful manager just because of that?

I’m not so sure the bench coach of a successful manager would be any good. Maybe they would, but I’m afraid people would expect Martinez to manage like Maddon, and I’ll betcha anything he wouldn’t. Ditto for Roenicke & Scoscia.

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by Mykenk on Oct 11, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think its the sole indicator

But the bench coach is usually the main strategist, and if you are under a successful manager, I believe that given the opportunity, that bench coach would surround himself with similar thinkers and employ similar strategies to make them successful as well.

In the cases of Maddon and Scoscia, those guys both employ an overall fundamental basis set forth by the organization that focuses on defense, speed on the bases and situational hitting, and I personally believe that those are important aspects for a successful team to follow.

the organization needs a change in philosophy, and guys like Martinez or Roenicke can be the spur to something like that.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2010 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with you

I just can’t decide whether a change in philosophy can be sufficient at the managerial level or requires a GM change also.

by nullacct on Oct 12, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

If that's true

what exactly does the manager do?

Another question:

Isn’t having a group of people that think similarly a bad idea? Group think is a recipe for disaster in pretty much everything.

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by Mykenk on Oct 12, 2010 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

I voted for Brundage.

I like his ability to work with the young players in a team and since the Brewers are full of young players I think he’ll be great for the team. If he can fire up the team as well he’s a no-brainer for the managerial pick at the moment

by ilikeburritos on Oct 11, 2010 1:50 PM CDT reply actions  

How much does managing after

the manager has been ejected really tell us? I find it hard to believe that the manager isn’t still managing from the tunnel.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Nothing

in my opinion. Either it’s as you said, he’s still managing from the tunnel, or it’s “well, let’s just do what he would do, what impact would my great new strategy have on the few innings I’m going to manage”. So, no impact, IMO.

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by Mykenk on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

i like brundage

he seems like an excellent mentor for all of our younger players, plus I just can’t see Melvin hiring someone from the Baseball Prospectus camp

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by Wisco12 on Oct 11, 2010 8:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I voted Martinez; however, it was for personal reasons :)

He went to my high school in Central Florida and I remain close with his younger twin brothers (both played some pro ball as well). I’m guessing the manager could toss me a few good box tickets per season?! Beyond that, I like what the interview said and I know he has an incredible amount of baseball knowledge. His dad had a batting cage in their backyard since he was probably 5 (only a guess ‘cuz I wasn’t born yet) and was/is a successful local coach in his own right. However, I really don’t see Melvin making this hire, so I’ll have to settle for Rays tix in that s@#hole Trop!

by Braski on Oct 12, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions  

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