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by Kyle Lobner on Oct 14, 2010 8:16 AM CDT
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Yesterday was a pretty big day for managerial news, so let's jump right into it:
- Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the Brewers plan to interview about ten candidates, and Dodgers AAA manager Tim Wallach and former Indians manager Eric Wedge have already been in for interviews.
- Tom Haudricourt is reporting that former Diamondbacks manager Bob Melvin is expected to interview next week. Jon Heyman says Melvin is still the favorite to get the job.
- Haudricourt also reports that they're believed to have interviewed Angels bench coach Ron Roenicke. Bill Plunkett of the OC Register says Roenicke has also received permission to interview with the Blue Jays.
- The Chicago Tribune (via Jordan Schelling) is reporting that the Brewers will interview White Sox bench coach Joey Cora.
- Tyler Kepner of the New York Times is reporting the Brewers are also interested in Bobby Valentine. Valentine has interviewed with the Mariners and Cubs this week and removed himself from consideration for the Marlins job.
- It's hard to tell at this point if the feeling is mutual, but Cecil Cooper has called to let the Brewers know he's interested in the job.
- Tom Haudricourt says Bob Brenly is not being considered.
Meanwhile, the Pirates' managerial search is going to have a strong Brewer flavor, as Dale Sveum interviewed for the job yesterday. They've also interviewed Ken Macha. Bucs Dugout has a review of Macha's candidacy that includes a few thoughts from me.
So, after getting a couple of months to evaluate Lorenzo Cain, what do you think? View From Bernie's Chalet has a look at the parallels between him and Carl Crawford.
In the minors:
- Toby Harrmann of Brewerfan.net notes that this might be the end of the road for Tim Dillard in the Brewer organization: Dillard will be eligible for minor league free agency since the Brewers haven't added him back to the 40-man roster.
- It was another rough day to be a Brewer pitcher in the Arizona Fall League, as Michael Fiers and Brandon Kintzler combined to allow six earned runs over 2.2 innings. You can read more about that in today's AFL Update.
- Baseball America unveiled their list of the top 20 prospects in the Pacific Coast League yesterday, and Mat Gamel (#12) is the lone Brewer.
Around baseball:
Cardinals: Claimed pitcher Bryan Augenstein off waivers from the Diamondbacks.
Tigers: Declined outfielder Magglio Ordonez's club option for 2011, making him a free agent.
If the Brewers do trade Prince Fielder this offseason they'll need to come up with a new plan for first base. I doubt they'll go this route, but it's worth noting that Lyle Overbay is expected to be available.
If the Brewers decide to move Casey McGehee to first base, they could follow Ryan Topp of Bernie's Crew's advice and bring in A's third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff.
Happy birthday today to:
- Seattle Pilot and 1970-71 Brewer Tommy Harper, who turns 70.
- 1953-57 Milwaukee Brave Dave Jolly, who would have turned 86.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm stuck on step two.
Drink up.
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Early mug today
Then again, you can’t drink all day if you don’t start in the morning.
by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 14, 2010 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
God I hope the Pirates hire Sveum.
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And then Macha can be his bench coach.
by nullacct on Oct 14, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he's a proven manager!
He’s managed his team to the postseason and even won a game. He’s a winner.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
Sadness
I imagine that happens pretty often, anyway, but it’s never fun to see someone back in surgery. Hard to see him coming back to the booth, but that’s the argument about quality of life. Is life without Brewers radio really a quality life for Uecker, anyway? Only he can make that call, I suppose. Despite his failings, I still love him on the radio with a strong play-by-play guy by his side.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
I think you're overestimating the seriousness here.
Doctors are projecting his recovery time at 8-10 weeks, and he said (in the story linked from the FanShot) that he expects to be ready in advance of spring training.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 14, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's good to hear
Though surgery is still surgery. Good luck to him!
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
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Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 14, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone catch the haudricourt meltdown on twitter last night?
by KittenMittons on Oct 14, 2010 9:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
He claims it wasn't him.
I have my doubts.
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Though, even if it was him
I totally agreed.
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Agree
And it was totally him the entire time.
He had 8 tweets about Lance Allen and claims the 9th tweet (in which he swore) was a result of someone hacking his account. So basically, someone hacked into Haudricourt’s account to post something in the same tone but used a swear word and then stopped after that.
Or – Haudricourt went on a rant, realized that his last post went to far, deleted it and claimed a hacker posted it so he doesn’t get in trouble with his employer. I’m more inclined to believe that version.
Regardless, the whole thing was awesome.
Get a ife broseph
And why would anyone do it in the first place?
There are so many other things a hacker could’ve written to indict him more than a rant about a radio guy stealing his stuff. TH didn’t have to go apesh*t about it, but his point was entirely valid. Why would a hacker point out something that was entirely valid? Was he trying to protect TH, but then decided at the end to change his mind and kick him in the nads with a 4-letter word? Doesn’t add up. Rant away old man. No one hip enough to be following him on twitter gives a damn about him swearing.
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Point of clarification...
Lance Allan is a TV guy, not a radio guy.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Who works for the same company (or at least an affiliate)...
I think. Allan’s a TMJ4 guy, right?
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Better way to ruin his career.
“Go f$%! yourself, Milwaukee.”
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Oct 14, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, if it was a hacker that guy does a heck of an accurate pastiche
that rant was quality.
(also makes me wonder if Tom’s got more than one Twitter account, and the second is where he can swear and be cranky about other sports and he got the accounts screwed up. I’ve, um, done this.)
Tom hacked himself.
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well, d'oh
I don’t think there was a “hacker” but it is incredibly easy to get one’s social media accounts screwed up if you’re maintaining more than one, even if it’s something as innocuous as having a business and a personal account.
I believe this is the only one he deleted
@Haudricourt: Just the same old shit from him. Presenting material reported by the JS as if it is his or general knowledge.
Get a ife broseph
So far, I'm pretty happy with the Brewers managerial search.
Except for Bob Melvin apparently being the favorite.
It's a big search
They’ve been casting a wide net so far. It will be interesting to see what’s most important to them in the end with their choice.
Kyle, do you feel up to a post mortem follow-up when they do select a manager? It would be interesting to consider who they didn’t hire as much as who they did hire given everyone they interviewed. You’ve already done most of the legwork in that area, but a summary after it’s all said and done would be pretty interesting.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
Yeah, that should be easy enough.
A recap of the roads not taken, and a poll to see if people feel they made the right choice.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 14, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whoever is picked
in the end, we’ll all probably hate him.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 14, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
i recognize the likelihood that you're correct
But I’d like to believe we’d give a good one 8-10 years before he wears out his welcome.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Oct 14, 2010 11:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd like to believe that too
But I think Moe Szyslak summed up my thoughts perfectly.
… whatever the manager does, it’s wrong. Unless it works, in which case he’s a button-pusher.
Nobody likes their manager for one reason or another. Even if it takes 6-8 years, in the end, the manager will be the one who is wrong.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 14, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know who the manager
is but I already hate him and think he is a drone.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
by cooper82 on Oct 14, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What managers are actually liked by their fans?
Mike Scioscia, Joe Maddon, Terry Francona, Jim Tracy (for now), Jim Leyland, Charlie Manuel, kind of Ron Gardenhire and Tony LaRussa. And maybe Ron Washington? I dunno.
Is that about it? Do fans of the other 21 teams either not care about or hate their managers?
by Cheeseandcorn on Oct 14, 2010 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
You win, and people like you.
Too bad the manager doesn’t have a lot of say in whether or not a team wins.
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I'm not so sure.
I think the coaches have a much greater impact than the manager.
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Who are usually hired by the manager to instill a philosophy that should mimic the manager's
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Maybe.
Maybe that’s not the way to go. Hire good coaches, who needs a manager.
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Leyland
People here in MI (Tigers fans) don’t really like him, but they tolerate him because of his track record (which happens to be spotty) and because his good relationship with GM Dombrowski makes it tough to get him fired.
It's called "playing the percentages."
yeah, that
don’t get my boss started on Leyland, because mentioning his name will immediately get a “he doesn’t know how to manage a bullpen” rant.
I'll add Bobby Cox, Cito Gaston and Joe Torre in the "recently departed" division
And I’ll submit Ozzie Guillen into the conversation.
That gives us 13 names, which is a fair portion of the population. Especially when you consider the fact that a large percentage of teams have either had their manager less than two seasons or don’t have one right now.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
A lot of the Jays blogs, and fans hated Gaston
Respected him for winning back in the day, but definitely didn’t want him the past couple years. Drunk Jays Fans wrote a long post explaining why they would cheer for him on his last game after hating him for a couple years.
Living in Chicago, I can assure you a huge portion of the fanbase is tired of Ozzie’s talking and wants him gone. Constant topic on sports radio is “Should Ozzie be let go.”
I’d say there are 4 or 5 managers that are universally liked by their fan base, a few more that are liked only if they are winning and a whole lot who are disliked.
Get a ife broseph
depends on what you mean by fans
i think torre was liked in NY only because they won and he could deal with steinbrenner. a lot of people were very happy to see him go because he couldn’t manage a bullpen, etc… i’m not a dodger fan, but if i was i would not like him at all from what i’ve seen.
i’ll grant you cox, though.
by Capt Science on Oct 14, 2010 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll stick with the thought process of hoping he's an 8-10 year guy
Cause if you’re not trying to go for that, you’re probably not doing it right.
I’m curious who ends up getting the job, wouldn’t mind getting someone in here with a fresh outlook on things to go with the group of young guys. Pretty sure if Counsell leaves, our oldest position player will be Joe Inglett, who I think is 30.
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by GormanBraun28 on Oct 14, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
So, going with the thought process of Prince getting traded...
How do we fill that gap?
I like the idea of moving either McGehee or Hart to 1B and signing a better defender at either position.
Not sure what Brandon Inge’s price tag would be, but he brings the Brewers’ “homerun or die philosophy” to the table offensively while playing very stellar D. Look no further than what adding Rolen to the Reds did for their roster. Adds a good veteran presence, a steady glove at a tough position, and a little bit of pop to the lineup to help cover a little bit of the gap left from Prince.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
So, what would you do with the in organization replacements
for Hart & McGehee, be they Gamel, Lawrie, Cain, or Gomez?
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Gap probably doesnt get filled by just one guy
Because the “Ace” Melvin thinks he is going to get for Fielder doesnt exist. He’s proably going to have to settle for a prospect or an in arb already guy who maybe provides 2 wins.
Not that I condone it, one cheap alternative could be Jack Cust. Id project him at at least 2 WAR going from Oakland Alameda to Miller Park, and you get him quite cheaply probably after the A’s non tender him.
That at least gets you to ground zero for 2011 before having to fill the #3 or #2 rotation spots.
Yeah and we thought Fielder was bad in the field
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
Im not really a fan of the guy
But he’s not really a hack. He had a horrible UZR as an outfielder the past 3 seasons, but the move to 1B might actually improve his value.
Inge
He made $6.6M last season, but that’s probably a bit high considering his age (33) and his career stats (.237/.307/.394).
He doesn’t hit for much power (averages 17 HRs per season), strikes out alot (averages 139 Ks per season) and his career OBP would rank him near the bottom of the team this season… not really adding much to the lineup.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
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