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by Kyle Lobner on Oct 21, 2010 8:23 AM CDT
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Today's big news (if you can call it that) is once again on the managerial front, where Tim Kurkijian confirmed that Bob Melvin interviewed with the team yesterday. Meanwhile, Pat Listach says his Tuesday interview went well.
The possibility remains that the Brewers could trade for Zack Greinke this offseason, but it's unlikely and this report will likely make it even more so: The Royals are looking for "multiple ready-now prospects" in exchange for two years of Greinke.
If you've always wanted to work in player evaluation you should dust off your resume, because a position with the Brewers just opened up. Brewer Assistant Scouting Director Ray Montgomery is leaving the team to become the D-Backs Amateur Scouting Director (FanShot). He's been with the organization since December 2002.
The Brewers issued another statement yesterday on the condition of Bob Uecker: He's still doing well at Froedtert Hospital a day after undergoing heart surgery.
Today in accolades: Ryan Braun was named to The Sporting News' All Star Team.
In the minors:
- Hunter Morris made his AFL debut yesterday, and did it while making his first professional appearance at third base. Morris played first base for Wisconsin this season, and Jim Callis of Baseball America said he lacks the athleticism to stick at third long term. Morris, by the way, went 0-for-4.
- The Helena Brewers unveiled a new logo yesterday.
Apparently the players on the field aren't the only athletes in the Brewer organization. Caitlin Moyer has a look at some of the athletic accomplishments of people working in the front office.
Around baseball:
Twins: Are expected to decline infielder Nick Punto's contract option for 2011, making him a free agent.
Kevin Correia's name continues to come up as a potential buy-low candidate for the 2011 rotation. MLB Trade Rumors has a look at his free agent stock.
Meanwhile, here's a look down a managerial path the Brewers aren't traveling: Lookout Landing breaks down some of Eric Wedge's comments from his introductory press conference with the Mariners. The content itself is interesting, but the photoshopability of the picture is really what drew me in.
If you went to bed early last night like I did (I've been really tired lately for some reason), then you missed a classic back-and-forth NLCS game that ended with a pretty interesting decision. Faced with a tie game in the bottom of the ninth, the Phillies called upon Roy Oswalt to pitch despite the fact that he'd thrown a bullpen session earlier in the day. Apparently Oswalt asked into the game.
This number surprised me: Jayson Stark notes that 72 teams (not including the 2010 Phillies and Yankees) have trailed three games to one in a best-of-seven series, and eleven of them won three straight games to come back and win it. Todd Zolecki noticed that it's happened in an LCS six times since 1985.
Meanwhile, former Brewer farmhand Nelson Cruz is hitting .353/.421/.706 through five ALCS games. Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker has a look back at Cruz's history and a reminder that it's hard to blame the Brewers for moving on when they did.
Elsewhere in former Brewer notes: The Athletics will not retain former Brewer hitting coach Jim Skaalen.
Pirates fans haven't had a lot to be excited about over the last 18 years, but at least they have this...I guess: They finished first in Marketwire.com's rankings of MLB stadiums by restroom capacity. The Brewers were one of 16 teams that did not respond to their request. (h/t Bucs Dugout)
It seems only fair that we go from a story about toilets to yet another story about Yankee fan behavior at the ALCS. Big League Stew has video of a thrown beer narrowly missing TBS analyst Cal Ripken.
On this day in 1964, the Braves Board of Directors requested permission from the National League to move the team to Atlanta. The team would eventually play one more season in Milwaukee before moving.
Happy birthday today to:
- Helena Brewer Ryan Bernal, who turns 23.
- Huntsville Star Jim Henderson, who turns 28.
- 2006-08 Brewer Gabe Gross, who turns 31.
- 1991-92 Brewer Franklin Stubbs, who turns 50.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have plans for lunch.
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huh
I always thought Gabe Gross was older than that.
Also the first link has done two things to me: Put that song in my head, and make me want a beer.
Nelson Cruz
I agree with the sentiment that’s it dumb to look back and wonder “what could have been”.
At the time, Hart was showing much more than Cruz, so the decision had to be made. Even now, would we have been better off waiting 3 years for Cruz to break out or take an offensive force in Hart who at most disappeared for a year and half in that 4-5 year span?
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
He was already 25 at the time too
Not really a spring chicken, not that Hart was either at 24, but Hart had a few cups of coffee already at that time, and had more tools on dsiplay. I think the thinking was that Cruz had stalled and was a one tool guy. Heck, it took him 3 more years after 06 for him to produce anything.
define "prospect"
i think multiple prospects is vague and open-ended. gamel fits that model, so it’s a matter of what else. is there any way to convince the royals that gomez is a prospect and that he’ll be really good at some point? i’m sure doug still has his notes from the trade with the twins…
btw, the helena logo is terrible.
Agreed on the Helena logo.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 21, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Terrible, but still much better than it was.
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Based on "The Definition" (TM)
I believe a “prospect” must still be rookie eligible.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 21, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions
You can't spell
“We don’t care do any research or real reporting, and just make up irresponsibly bogus rumors and pass them off as legitimate ideas”
without
“Bleacher Report”
Maybe you can, I didn’t check.
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I feel I lost IQ points reading that
I fear for the future of the human race because more than half the people voted yes or not sure yet on “Do you think Doug Melvin will make a move for Felix Hernandez?”
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
I love the implication that that many people don't know what they think yet.
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They are waiting for Tom H. or A Dubs to tell them what they think
before voting.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 21, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
So funny
Just looked at the writer’s bio on B/R, and he’s a senior in HS. Almost feel bad for him. I loved that in his profile he wrote: I hope to someday become a Brewers beat-writer for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel — He’s on the right track.
Get a ife broseph
I would take him over Witrado.
He is young and can still learn. He just needs a good website to point him in the right direction.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Eh, he's just a kid
He writes well at least. His content isnt so much, but his style is quite expositional, which for a journalist is quite necessary.
Just think back to when you were in HS and all of the crazy things we all thought. Its always fun to see the cheer leader you thought was so hot is now a chain smoking bar fly with 4 kids, or the guy you thought was so smart is now a member of the tea party, or the teacher you really admired was arrested for DWI.
Heck, I can remember thinking that the Brewers should have traded Mike Caldwell to the Phillies for Ryne Sandberg. Boy was I dumb.
Kind of my thoughts as well
I had a Brewers blog on Angelfire.com for a couple weeks in the late 90s. I don’t remember what I wrote and I’m sure that no one else read it — thankfully.
Get a ife broseph
Geocities > Angelfire
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 21, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
We all made mistakes when we were young...
Not all of us learn from them.
by nullacct on Oct 21, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
How has this not been rec'd?
My favorite of your work so far, though perhaps Wendy S should be in there somewhere as well
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
You know that program that allows you to completely block any way to get to a particular website?
Jeff did this to evil BCB, I am considering doing this to Bleacher Report. To make things worse they have those obnoxious pop-ups, and somehow they pop up as the top result for half of my sports-related Google searches.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Today also a woot off day
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
*sigh*
The Brewers’ inability to sign Covey still hurts me. He seemed like a promising pitcher(I know that draftees are tough to predict but from what I heard about him he seemed promising). I hope the Brewers are successful in the next draft and get a pitcher that seems and possibly is better than Covey. Am I too much of a dreamer?
Promising with or without diabetes?
Maybe he’ll be good, maybe he won’t. I doubt he’dve been that high of a draft pick if conditions were known.
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I think he was too busy eating burritos
to notice that there was the whole diabetes thing.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 21, 2010 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions
still thought he's worth high pick $, though?
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probably not
anything over 2mil would have raised some eyebrows. I think 1.5mil would have been good enough
by ilikeburritos on Oct 21, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
But I wouldn’t want to pay him that much. no way.
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If he had a real agent then he probably would have demanded less
way less
by ilikeburritos on Oct 21, 2010 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you figure?
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The agent
will know how much is too much. The father will always do what’s best for his kid and will demand a lot for the benefit of his child
by ilikeburritos on Oct 21, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I read
it sounds like there was a deal in place, money was agreed to, before this discovery. The money/demands of Team Covey weren’t the problem.
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It wasn't really the Brewers' call
It may have been dumb reasoning, but his parents didn’t seem to want him to sign because they thought they could manage the diabetes issue better if he was in College.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
yeah, I know
not saying that the Brewers didn’t bother to sign him, just saying that they COULDN’T sign him due to rotten luck and cautious parenting
by ilikeburritos on Oct 21, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah I see
What you said before:
The Brewers’ inability to sign Covey still hurts me. He seemed like a promising pitcher(I know that draftees are tough to predict but from what I heard about him he seemed promising). I hope the Brewers are successful in the next draft and get a pitcher that seems and possibly is better than Covey. Am I too much of a dreamer?
seemed to imply that you thought the Brewers did a crap job of signing this kid, and hopefully the 2011 draftee won’t slip through their fingers.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 21, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
but with the money he was about to get
he would have been perfectly fine. he can get the best doctors out there, he can get as much insulin as necessary, and the medical staff in Milwaukee might help him deal with it. Probably the biggest worry is going to be how he’s going to handle it mentally. if he’s too stressed out about the diabetes then he might not be able to concentrate on pitching as much
by ilikeburritos on Oct 21, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
He also would have had several months to adjust
before spring training. Going to college only gave him a month or so to adjust before leaving home.
I thought Covey was the one who ultimately made the decision, not his parents.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
His family is pretty well off
I don’t think the best doctors is a problem and now he is closer than 1000 miles away from his family.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Sure, he'd have been perfectly fine
but would he have been the same pitcher the brewers drafted after making a substantial lifestyle adjustment? And is that gamble worth the 2M+? It isn’t, in my opinion.
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I think the final
number was more like $1.5 after they found out he had diabetes. Don’t quote me on that though. I am almost positive they lowered their offer but I am not sure by how much.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
that's still enough to handle diabetes pretty well IMO
but if he did sign the biggest problem probably would have been how he would handle it mentally
by ilikeburritos on Oct 22, 2010 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure he wanted to be by his family and vice versa
When you’re in a position to say “$1.5MM? Yeah, that’s enough for me, at 18 years old, to move nearly all the way across the country from my family to do something new, while also battling a potentially life threatening disease with which I have only been diagnosed! Sign me up!” then I think your simplifications of the situation will be taken more seriously.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 22, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
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