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Good morning and welcome to the offseason. The Brewers wasted no time getting going, as Ken Macha has already been informed he will not be retained for next season, according to Colin Fly of the AP (FanShot). Macha finished his Brewer career with a 157-167 record, a pair of third place finishes and one fake twitter account. Doug Melvin and Gord Ash helped Macha move out of his Miller Park office this morning. After that, Macha talked to Anthony Witrado one last time and discussed high expectations and his relationships with Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder.

Keith Law says it wasn't Macha's fault that this team didn't win, citing the lack of pitching. That's probably true, but the fact that the Brewer bandwagon had flat tires doesn't mean we should ignore the fact that the battery was also dead. Macha might land on his feet, though. There's already speculation that he'll be the next manager of the Pirates, who are expected to fire John Russell today.

So, moving forward, it's time to start considering possibilities for the job. Keep Turning Up the Heat! wants someone who will think outside the box. Bob Nightengale of USA Today has a list of potential first time managerial candidates, including former Brewer player and coach Ted Simmons.

Back on the field, the Brewers found a handful of ways to make yesterday's season finale interesting. Ryan Braun was pulled early for failing to run out a popup, Corey Hart was thrown out trying to steal home, and Lorenzo Cain picked up four hits to tie a career high.

If you're curious, here are the Brewer leaders in four hit games this season:

Player
Four hit games
Total games
Jim Edmonds
3
73
Ryan Braun
3
157
Lorenzo Cain
2
43
Casey McGehee
2
157
Rickie Weeks
2
160
Prince Fielder
1
161
Corey Hart
1
145
Carlos Gomez
1
97
Jody Gerut
1
32
Gregg Zaun
1
28

Other notes from the field:

  • Rickie Weeks was hit by a pitch Friday (tying the franchise record with 25) and Ryan Braun was hit Saturday, leaving the Brewers one plunking short of tying their franchise record. No HBP were delivered yesterday, however, so the record stands. Follow the links for more from Plunk Everyone.
  • Matt Maloney, Francisco Cordero and Jay Bruce are leading FanGraphs' Star of the Game voting.
  • Here are the MLB.com video highlights.
  • With the loss, the Brewers finish the season in third place at 77-85, 14 games behind the Reds.

Prince Fielder went 0-for-4 yesterday in what might be his final game as a Brewer. After the game, he admitted it took him a while to adjust to the way he was being pitched this season. All told, his season turned around pretty nicely after his first 26 games:

Date
AVG
OBP
SLG
On May 4
.232
.361
.364
Since
.267
.408
.493

Corey Hart finished his season with a 3-for-5 day and his 34th double, driving in both Brewer runs to finish the season with 102 RBI. After the game he told The Official Site that he's pleased with his season and is looking forward to not having to worry about his contract status this offseason.

Looking back another day, Saturday's game featured one of the poorer instant replay decisions in recent memory, as a fan reached over the fence and hit Lorenzo Cain's glove while trying to catch a Jay Bruce fly ball. The umpires ruled it a home run on the field, then looked at replay and confirmed the decision. Wezen-ball has an animated gif of the event. Take a look and decide for yourself, but I think the fact that the umpires were given the benefit of an extra look and still got the call clearly wrong is mind-boggling.

Looking ahead, the Brewers now have some time on their hands to start working on their offseason decisions. Adam McCalvy reminds us that Dave Bush, Chris Capuano, Doug Davis, Trevor Hoffman and Gregg Zaun are expected to become free agents (the Brewers are expected to decline options for Davis, Hoffman and Zaun), and Todd Coffey, Kameron Loe, Carlos Villanueva, Manny Parra, Prince Fielder, Carlos Gomez, Joe Inglett and Rickie Weeks will be eligible for arbitration.

Trevor Hoffman told Tom Haudricourt he knows he won't be back with the Brewers, but will wait and see if the opportunity to close again presents itself. Hoffman will turn 43 in October.

Mark Rogers wasn't able to finish off the hitless debut season, but he was still pretty impressive (1.80 ERA, 11 K in 10 innings) this September. Jim Callis of Baseball America noted the relative rarity of Rogers' comeback from major shoulder surgery, and suggested him as a possible closer. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar noted that Rogers' 126 innings this season were a career high, and predicts the Brewers will have him open 2011 in AAA where they can better control his workload.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Jeffress also had a pretty good debut month, allowing just three earned runs over ten innings with eight strikeouts. MLB Depth Charts listed him as one of their September Debuts That Could Stick.

Another day, another post mortem: Brewers Daily has End of Season Awards.

It's a BA-heavy day in the minors:

  • Baseball America's list of the top 20 prospects from the 2010 Midwest League is out and features just one Brewer: Pitcher Jake Odorizzi is #8.
  • Jim Callis of BA noted that the Midwest League has 16 teams, so there were a lot of prospects to consider.
  • BA has also shifted stances on Kyle Heckathorn a bit. Midwest League managers rated Heckathorn's changeup as the best in the league, but apparently scouts weren't as impressed. Chris Mehring wants to know when scouts saw him pitch. Heckathorn's strikeout numbers were a little low (90 in 124 IP), but he managed to keep his ERA under 3 and limit opposing batters to three home runs in 25 appearances, so it's hard to get too worried about it.
  • And BA also released their Classification All Stars: Brandan Katin and Mat Gamel made the AAA team, Odorizzi was the lone Brewer to make the squad from low-A and Cody Hawn represented the rookies.

If you weren't around this weekend, you might have missed this post from Noah taking a look at a change in Yovani Gallardo's release point that coincided with a relatively notable dip in his stats. It's worth a look.

Around baseball:

Astros: Are expected to exercise their club option for outfielder Jason Michaels, but will not exercise infielder Geoff Blum's option.
Diamondbacks: Are expected to remove the "interim" tag from manager Kirk Gibson.
Dodgers: Catcher Brad Ausmus retired following the season's final game.
Red Sox: Third baseman Mike Lowell retired following the season's final game.
Royals: Exercised their club option on outfielder David DeJesus, who will earn $6 million in 2011.

As one might expect, the Brewers make a fair number of appearances (but not many positive) in Jayson Stark's wrap-up of this seasons strangest moments.

So who are you rooting for this postseason? If you're still considering the options, I'd like to present this note for consideration: The Rangers display this while they're at the plate to keep fans from starting the wave.

Instead of stopping the wave at Target Field, the Twins are picking a fight with the Timberwolves over a sign they've displayed on the nearby Target Center.

It's possible a late nominee for "Injury of the Year" might actually be the best one: Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts will undergo a CAT scan this week to check for signs of a concussion. He's not sure exactly when the injury occurred, but acknowledges it's possible he did it by hitting himself in the helmet with his bat on Monday.

Piling on the Pirates is too easy but I couldn't let this note pass me by: Pittsburgh went 17-64 on the road this season, tying the worst road record in the 162 game era. They went 40-41 at home.

Today in sabermetrics: One of the challenges in using Wins Above Replacement (WAR) to evaluate players is the discrepancy between the inputs used to calculate the stat at FanGraphs and Baseball Reference. In a two part series, Dave Cameron of FanGraphs explains why his site uses FIP as an element in WAR for pitchers.

Happy birthday over the weekend to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to change.

Drink up.

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Maybe Macha can meet Jerry Manuel and John Russell in Pittsburgh for some pancakes.

They’ve all been canned / not retained already.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Let's just have a manager draft

everyone who wants to manage, put their names in, and the teams who’ve fired their managers can draft a manager, worst record first.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we should have a pool for when discontent with the new manager reaches a certain level

I’ll take April 1.

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Oct 4, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sucker bet

The 2011 season starts in March.

by klwillis45 on Oct 4, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair point

How mad are people going to be that Rick Peterson is being retained?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not?

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was basing the question on the trends in the BCB tracking poll, not personal bias.

The poll tends to show a high disapproval rating for him. I have been undecided, until today’s poll, which I said I approved of the job he did. I don’t think less than one year is a good time frame to judge results with a coach.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ah. Fair enough.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not me anymore

Wolf gave him credit for putting him back in form, Narveson emerged as a surprisingly viable starting pitcher, Axford is a new closer (that credit probably goes to Hoffman, though) and Gallardo was pitching deeper into games. Once they got rid of the dead weight on the pitching staff and they gave him some pieces to work with the pitchers were competent. By season’s end, which pitchers had regressed from the previous year?

I’d like to see Peterson with the Brewers next year.

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by ecocd on Oct 4, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Talking points

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take 2.5 minutes

after the hiring is announced.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perfect.

Consider yourself rec’d.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

SCHTICK STEALER.

Flagged.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 4, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

HBP record for Weeks

Rickie Weeks only tied Fernando Vina’s 1998 total for the record of most HBPs in a season by a Brewer, but Weeks did break another of Vina’s HBP records. Vina held the record for most HBPs at parks named after kinds of beer in a season, with 15 in 2001 when he played for the Cardinals. But Rickie Weeks had 16 this year – 13 at home, 2 at Busch and 1 at Coors. Overall, Weeks is up to 43 plunks at beer parks, but he still trails all time record-holder Larry Walker by 27.

by plunkeveryone on Oct 4, 2010 11:39 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Someone really needs to ask him about working up to the beer park plunk career record

And see how much meaning it holds to be approaching beer park plunk legend Larry Walker. If the Brewers can sign him for the next 3 years, he has an outside chance of breaking the record at home in 2012.

"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto

by ecocd on Oct 4, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Anyone else think Macha benching Braun was really just a "screw you, buddy"?

I mean, there were probably points in the beginning of the season that he could have been benched (or should have) and he wasn’t. Then again, at those points, Macha was still probably hoping for a job in 2012.

Valentine for 2012 coach!

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2010 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

**Job in 2011

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably

There’s no time better than the end of the year. One last poke before he leaves town. “You might control the front office, but on the field, you’re mine. You’d be best to remember that next year too, boy.”

"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto

by ecocd on Oct 4, 2010 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was the I the only one who was surprised to learn

that Macha had that bad of a relationship with Braun and Fielder?

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not

but it’s understandable. I remember a few occasions where Fielder seemed to look to the bench for some support, and Macha did nothing. The Braun thing is probably more about him being an egotistical primadonna, and less about Macha’s ability to connect.

I’d be surprised if a lot of superstars get along well with their managers, actually. I’m sure there’s some, but I’ll bet those are the exception.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

TLR and Pujols?

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Oct 4, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easy to get along

When you feel like you are the combo of God and Jesus

by Jeo on Oct 4, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

When the skipper is half in the bag...

not much friction is going to happen…. unless Sir Albert tries to take the communion wine back.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 4, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mike de la Hoz

Witrado’s favorite player?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2010 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

A free agent post-mortem

A number of months ago, I put up some numbers comparing free agent starting pitchers to Doug Davis and Randy Wolf to see how the signings turned out. Obviously, Doug Davis was a bust. Is there any interest in having me compile the numbers to see how Wolf stacked up against his free agent competition? By the end of the season, I bet Melvin did pretty well to sign Wolf compared to the other arms available.

"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto

by ecocd on Oct 4, 2010 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Compare him to Jason Marquis only

Maybe he should play first base instead. That is, he should lie out there and we can step on him when we get a hit.

by TheJay on Oct 4, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brewers drafting 12th and 15th

would be nice if they were down to single digits, I guess

by ilikeburritos on Oct 4, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah well

If you’re rooting for a team with a losing record, might as well root for them to lose more so you can get a higher draft pick.

(Note: I don’t agree with this philosophy, but I can see where ilikeburritos is coming from.)

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but that philosophy leads to the whole

“if you can’t make the playoffs, tank on purpose” dream.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

what's wrong with that?:P

as long as not everyone else does it, of course

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 5, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Negative attendance August-September?

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by Mykenk on Oct 5, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

1 season tickets are non-refundable

2 the team already sucks, if that wasn’t enough to drive away the fans…
3 you can choose to tank on the road without affecting home performance much

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 5, 2010 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

1) the brewers make a ton of money on parking and concessions
2) it was
3) Tanking is silly.

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by Mykenk on Oct 5, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Macha lands in Pittsburgh

I’d wager Peterson goes with him. Shoulder has ties to the Pirates.

by nullacct on Oct 4, 2010 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't

unless we fire him. He’s not gonna breach his contract.

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by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't this work kinda like the NFL

Where the incoming manager picks his staff? Given that the success of this team hinges on the improved performance of the pitchers, I’d want the pitching coach to be a guy I was really comfortable with

by nullacct on Oct 4, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

Contracts are binding in MLB… unlike those in the NFL (at least with players… not sure if it’s different for coaches or not).

Plus, I think the organization will make recommendations on certain roles… much like they did with Sveum and Sedar, so the staff selection isn’t completely left up to the incoming manager.

Wasn’t Maddux offered a job with the Brewers after Yost was fired, but turned it down to go to the Rangers?

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Oct 4, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

This case is somewhat strange.

Managers typically have multi-year deals, but most coaches go year to year. Peterson signed a two year deal.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 4, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd think

The Brewers would either decide they agree that Peterson can look for jobs elsewhere, giving him his blessing to be a “free agent” or would refuse permission for him to interview anywhere.

So, basically it comes down to the club: would they pursue a breach-of-contract, or would they let him go if he finds a better match.

I could see the Brewers giving him permission to only interview for pitching coach jobs with other clubs that are turning over managers – but not jobs where they’re just turning over the pitching coach.

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 5, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tit-for-tat

The Brewers have an incentive to let Peterson interview with other teams in the interest of league-wide cooperation which is kind of how college football works, I think. As long as the Brewers let their coaches pursue other positions, the other teams will allow their coaches to do the same and come to the Brewers. It also sends a good message to any new coaches that may be thinking about making the move to Milwaukee.

I’d like to see him come back, but I think it might be in their best interest to at least let him interview elsewhere. Just because he interviews doesn’t mean he’ll leave.

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by ecocd on Oct 5, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

kyle says that most coaches are year to year

so, there’s no potential tit to the tat. and you know how much we like the tit

by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 5, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

1) Should the Brewers try to get Yu Darvish?
2) If the Brewers have to sign FA pitchers, which pitchers should they get*? Garland? JDLR? Kuroda? Pavano?

*not including Lee

by ilikeburritos on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Darvish would have to be posted by the Nippon-Ham Fighters for an MLB team to be able to sign him.

Which means blind bidding just for the chance to sign him. I would bet the winning bid ends up being significantly more than what Daiusuke Matsuzaka got the Seibu Lions, which was $51.1MM. Bidding $50MM or more, and then signing him to a contract at least similar to Matsuzaka’s $52MM/6 year contract with the Red Sox is a huge risk for a pitcher who has never played in the MLB.

So, no, the Brewers shouldn’t try to get Yu Darvish. Nor will they seriously entertain the notion.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 4, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

All this, and

I remember hearing that Darvish wasn’t going to consider going to the US until he has 200 wins in Japan.

My goodness.

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dunno

but they can go get Hisashi Iwakuma now.
Not that I recommend it, but it looks like the sort of thing DM does.

by morineko on Oct 4, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Has anyone seen Melvin asked how many mangers he deserves to have in his tenure?

I think the answer would be 2, but apparently the scapegoating allowance is greater at Miller Park.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Oct 4, 2010 4:47 PM CDT reply actions  

It was an apostrophe-heavy comment.

You’re forgiven.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 4, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know the background.

He only made 4 starts this year, and 14 last year (and 18 in ‘08). What’s the injury? Isn’t this just Sheets Redux?

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 4, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

pretty much

without the mid-90s heat, though

by ilikeburritos on Oct 4, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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