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Some things to read while planning ahead.

We got a little more insight into the Brewer managerial search yesterday. In an interview with ESPN Milwaukee, Doug Melvin told Tom Haudricourt he'd prefer to hire a manager with experience, and again expressed his desire to pick a "proven winner:"

When asked about criteria he might use in selecting a replacement for Ken Macha, Melvin said, "The first criteria would be is he a winning manager? It’s going to be hard to match Ken’s record but other things will come into play.

Meanwhile, Willie Randolph's time with the Brewers is likely nearing its conclusion. Doug Melvin reportedly told Randolph he won't be a candidate for the managerial vacancy, and has told all of the coaches that they'll be considered for jobs in 2011, but it will be the new manager's call. In that link, Randolph told Tom Haudricourt he's "not really interested in coming back as a coach."

I guess only time will tell how much losing Willie Randolph will hurt this team, but I think it's fair to give him some of the credit for Rickie Weeks' career year, given how much emphasis has been put on the work the two have done together. All told, I would have liked to have seen Randolph at least considered for the opening.

He's certainly a better candidate than Bob Brenly. For a while Wednesday morning, Doug Russell of WSSP was reporting that the Brewers were close to hiring the former Diamondbacks manager (FanShot). The rumor was quickly refuted.

After scratching Randolph and Dale Sveum off my list of potential candidates, I was down to 27 names. I thought that was a lot, then I saw Jon Heyman's list of 38 potential managerial candidates for this offseason. Now I'm considering revising my list.

I didn't realize this wasn't official yet, but it is now: The Brewers have renewed their Player Development Agreement with Huntsville for the next two years. Also, the Stars' 2010 coaching staff has been retained.

Elsewhere in the minors, John Sickels of Minor League Ball answered questions about a couple of high profile Brewer farmhands as part of this week's All Questions Answered thread:

  • He addressed concerns about Brett Lawrie's demeanor a bit, and characterized Lawrie as someone who is very intense and competitive, but not necessarily someone with a bad attitude.
  • Meanwhile, he raised some concerns about Wily Peralta, saying his command slipped a bit in AA, his peripherals fell a bit and he's not getting as many strikeouts as you might expect. He says Peralta might fare better as a reliever.

Also, Baseball America released their list of the top 20 prospects in the Florida State League, and no Brewers were mentioned.

Brewer fans are still awesome. Between the Bars Milwaukee congratulates Brewer fans for continuing to support the team.

Around baseball:

Cardinals: Exercised Albert Pujols' 2011 club option. He'll earn $16 million next season.
Padres: Claimed infielder Jarrett Hoffpauir off waivers from the Blue Jays and designated catcher Chris Stewart for assignment.
Rangers: Claimed pitcher Ryan Tucker off waivers from the Marlins and designated pitcher Rich Harden for assignment.

Yesterday was a pretty good day of playoff baseball, but the historical trends would suggest that all three series are now over. Game one winners have gone on to win game two in eleven of the last 12 division series, and gone on to win the series in all 12 cases.

If the Reds really are done, at least it'll end the Jim Edmonds Saga: After weeks of daily rehab updates and retirement discussion Edmonds was left off the Reds' NLDS roster, but is leaving the door open for a possible NLCS return.

You might have heard that things didn't go well for the Reds yesterday, as they were no-hit by Roy Halladay and the Phillies. Shortstop Orlando Cabrera apparently lost track of the high road and told reporters this after the game:

"He and the umpire threw a no-hitter. Another umpire and another zone, he wouldn't have been able to throw a game like that. Basically, he was getting every pitch. We had no chance."

I'm guessing Cabrera will hear from the Commissioner's office today.

It got overshadowed because they finished fourth in the AL East, but the Blue Jays' offensive season turned out to be one for the ages. Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star notes that Toronto hit 107 more home runs than their opponents, which is the second largest differential in history.

Happy birthday today to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to stoke the fire.

Drink up.

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Beware our wrath

(in the 6th inning)

Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.

by theBrouhaha on Oct 7, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha. the 6th inning?

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by Mykenk on Oct 7, 2010 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

New franchise strategy

Push for expansion of the active roster to 30 and start relievers for 3 IP every game.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Oct 7, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Managerial candidate

Can someone remind me what happened with Ted Simmons in 2008? I see that Heyman has him at #5 on his list, which seems high for a guy who has never managed.

IIRC, he was fired along with Yost in the closing days of the 2008 season. I wonder if that would preclude him from being a candidate for the gig. Personally I wouldn’t have minded Randolph getting a shot.

by grant76 on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Simmons left when Yost was fired.

IIRC, he wasn’t fired.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 7, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ok I went back and checked.

Simmons was technically “reassigned” to an advisory role on September 15th when Yost was fired and Svuem promoted (Yount was named Bench coach in Simmons’ place). His contract expired in October and he was named the Padres bench coach in November of the same year.

I thought there was something odd about the way it went down, but maybe it was just part of giving the job to Svuem,

by grant76 on Oct 7, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

I vaguely recall he left the dugout because Yost hired him and he didn’t want to look like he was betraying his friend by staying on. Something along those lines.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Oct 7, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

i am a problem solver

kyle can get over kate bilo by downloading this app

by Capt Science on Oct 7, 2010 10:35 AM CDT reply actions  

so melvin wants a manager with experience "and a winning record", whatever that means?

why didn’t he just keep macha then, if those are his criteria? i have a feeling there’ll be some other watch ruby’ll write up.

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Oct 7, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it means

That the candidate should either:
a) have won a world series as a player and have positive, lengthy experience as a manager;
b) have won a world series as a manager; or
c) have extensive postseason experience as a manager

I don’t think it means:
d) guys who have been everywhere and seen everything
e) guys who have no managerial experience in the majors but have a super winning attitude
f) Willie Randolph

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

What about Frank Kremblas?

I hear he’s available.

"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto

by ecocd on Oct 7, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Need MLB experience

IMO to handle the job of MLB manager.

Wheter it be as a hitting or bench coach or somewhere on the field managing players in some capacity. AAA success doesnt necessarily translate to MLB success as a manager.

Unless youre willing to let the guy grow into the job why hire a guy like that and give him a short leash? And lets face it, DM and MA think this team is a contender, and wont accept anything less in the W-L column, and if that goal isnt acheived, in their minds, the manager is the difference maker.

by backtocali on Oct 7, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind a first-timer.

I wouldn’t be opposed to someone in their second tour, but I’m strongly opposed to rating managers by wins and losses.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 7, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd be OK with a first-time manager.

That said, the last first-time manager Melvin hired was Yost, so … Yeah.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 7, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a long-time potential candidate

He held is job for 50+ years despite rank incompetence…

It's called "playing the percentages."

by hilbelink on Oct 7, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I might get crucified for this

But Yost wasnt a horrible manager at the beginning. He (along with youth) took the team from awful to mediocre.

by BrewCrewBrian on Oct 7, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I won't speak for everybody

but I’m not about to crucify you for that statement. For a young team, Yost was a good fit: he played the kids regularly, stood up for them with the media, and protected them at all costs.

When the team was ready to contend, though, he wasn’t a good fit anymore.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 7, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Do you think

That Yost’s departure from the team was mishandled?

I.e. if you believe that he wasnt the right man for the job in the last two weeks of the 08 season, should he have been fired at mid season or beforehand? Or just play it out and hope for the best? And then, do you credit Sveum for getting the team to the 08 playoffs?

by backtocali on Oct 7, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yost's firing baffled me then, and baffles me now.

Personally, I thought he should have been let go after the collapse in ‘07, when there were already rumblings that his anxiety had infected the clubhouse and contributed to the downward spiral in the second half. Then I thought he was a goner in May, after the Red Sox debacle. But if they didn’t fire him then, he should’ve been allowed to play out the string.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Oct 7, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Though it would have been interesting if the Brewers had an actual catching prospect ready when Ned was here.

by klwillis45 on Oct 7, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not I

But the GM is under the impression that a “winning manager” can take a mediocre team to the playoffs, forgetting that 99% of the manger’s ability to win games hinges on the talent assembled by the GM.

In other words, we wont see one. Bring on the retreads!

I think a “winning guy” can make a difference with a very talented team, such as Torre’s Yankees or LaRussa or Pinella had done with the Cards and Cubs respectively, but the Brewers still have a youthful team lacking in 3 big areas and they need a different type of manager. The more I think of it, Randolph might be the right type of guy for the job, given his penchant for teaching. Looks like my guy just interviewed with the Blue Jays, so it will be interesting to see how well he does.

by backtocali on Oct 7, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

i definitely read that as "bring on the retards!"

and thought, “but the brenly rumor was already quashed!”

i'm fighting all the french people i can find. happy cinco de mayo!

by sowingwildoats on Oct 7, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Randolph is right

I don’t think he will be able to change the team’s philosophy enough, having been a coach there and enduring incompetent leadership, unless he was undercutting Macha, which I doubt. They need someone new from outside the organization to be pretty blunt with “Not sure why you’ve been sucking, but this is what professionals do to win.”

My early bets are Gene Tenace and John Gibbons. I hope I’m wrong.

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point about Willie & Rickie

And I think it’s fair to think that if Fielder leaves and Randolph leaves, there’s no good reason for Weeks to stick around either.

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 1:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Really?

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by Mykenk on Oct 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes really

Weeks was best man at Fielder’s wedding. If Randolph is indeed to be credited with smoothing the edges on Rickie’s game, then the two people he might have the best rapport with will be gone. Why stick around?

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give you four good reasons for Weeks to stick around

1. .366 OBP
2. .464 SLG
3. 112 runs
4. 6.1 WAR (the most on the Brewers!)

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 7, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the point was Rickie would go elsewhere as a free agent

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Oct 7, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, what the hell

Did you think I mean retire? FFS, why stick with the Brewers if they trade your best friend and don’t hire your favorite coach?

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's not the point

The point is that you are always directly competing against the big teams dollar for dollar unless you are offering a different kind of compensation, like comfort, community, autonomy, etc. What he has right now will go away, and he will go someplace else looking to replace it.

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh.

Well we can’t let that happen, either. I love him too much.

by Noah Jarosh on Oct 7, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, me too

But odds are he’s gone in 2012 now.

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Odds were high on that before (90%+)

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by Mykenk on Oct 7, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I want a first time manager

because they cost less, and I don’t think the manager has a significant impact on the teams performance.

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by Mykenk on Oct 7, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

the manager should just be a dungeon master guide and sack of dice.

line-up based on character class.

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by sowingwildoats on Oct 7, 2010 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's actually remarkably adept comparison

Braun has a +3 to Hit and +4 to Damage against left-handed pitchers. Corey Hart was previously a -4 to Hit on Sliders down and away, etc etc etc

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by ecocd on Oct 7, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

rickie week's +3 amulet of baseball attraction

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by sowingwildoats on Oct 7, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is Joe Torre being considered? I personally hope so.

Serious credibility – and he has history w/ Milw.

by victor s on Oct 7, 2010 2:55 PM CDT reply actions  

That would be ridiculously awesome.

Impossible for Milwaukee to be that fortunate. We only get the scraps that fall off the major markets’ tables.

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

He's about a .500 manager when he's dealing with an average talent team

He’s won with what he’s been given. I.e. He’s the same as Ken Macha. Without a personnell and GM change, doesnt really matter who gets the job.

by backtocali on Oct 7, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even then it doesn't matter.

Managers don’t do much. I’d value any given manager at +/- .25 wins/season

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by Mykenk on Oct 7, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

NO NO NO NO NO

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by Mykenk on Oct 7, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Both Torre and Uecker were backups to Del Crandell on the Braves, Torre won the starting job. It would be awesome to have him but I didn’t think it was possible because he’s 70. I was assuming after the Dodgers stint he was planning to retire for good.

by nullacct on Oct 7, 2010 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

If any place makes sense for pre-retirement, it's a small market

Some place that’s really out of the spotlight and relentlessly positive. To get on Milwaukee’s bad side (or Wisconsin’s bad side) you have to do something pretty terrible, like Suppan’s hideously consistent terribleness or Corey Hart slamming the fanbase. Torre would be practically revered in Milwaukee and the pressure to win wouldn’t be nearly as great in Milwaukee as opposed to an organization like the Cubs.

Unfortunately, the price tag for Torre is much more large-market. If he could be had for a rational salary, I would take Torre. He would certainly increase the exposure of the Brewers on the national scale and would be sure to energize the casual fanbase. For as terrible a signing Gagne was, it sure brought a lot of attention to Milwaukee both good and bad.

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by ecocd on Oct 7, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ask Lou Piniella how spending your pre-retirement years in a small market worked out.

Pretty sure that was the plan when he went to Tampa.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 7, 2010 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here are the names that intrigue me

From Heyman’s list – I would want to know more about each of them

Ted Simmons – for the obvious ties. but he may be more suited for a front office gig than a manglement gig
Jim Fregosi – part of me is intrigued by his history of being with ‘winners’. But he is 68. I am thinking that is too old for what should be an energetic younger team
Mike Quade – if he does well with the Brewers and the Cubs tank under Sandberg it will be a fun show to watch
Terry Pendleton – fits the ‘winner’ mold
Ron Roenicke – I like Mike Scioscia and wouldn’t mind leaching off of him
Don Wakamatsu – He was scape goated in Seattle and he has a cool name

by Saberilliterate on Oct 8, 2010 8:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I have all but Pendleton and Quade on my list too

And I’m considering adding Quade.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 8, 2010 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

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