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by Kyle Lobner on Nov 11, 2010 9:56 AM CST
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PrintSome things to read while going back a little further.
As you likely know, today is Veteran's Day. Ryan Braun is going out of his way to say thank you to those who have served or continue to serve our country, serving free meals to veterans at his Lake Geneva restaurant. That's a pretty cool gesture.
Today in Prince Fielder speculation: Brian Carriveau of Pocket Doppler noted that the White Sox are rumored to have interest.
And elsewhere in speculation: Milwaukee's Gr8st thinks the Brewers should consider bringing in Javier Vazquez this winter.
As expected, Alcides Escobar didn't win a Gold Glove yesterday. Here's something I didn't expect, though: This Baseball Reference study lists him as baseball's 21st best (out of 28) shortstop in baseball this season as ranked by Fielding Runs.
The bad defensive news doesn't end there, though: Matt Klaasen of Beyond the Box Score unveiled his 2010 Catcher Defense Rankings yesterday and all three Brewer catchers (Gregg Zaun at 88, Jonathan Lucroy at 98 and George Kottaras at 108) rated among the bottom half of the 120 backstops studied.
Before this season, no one could fully explain why Trevor Hoffman had remained so effective into his 40's despite losing a fair amount of his velocity. This might explain some of it: Beyond the Box Score studied reliever strike zones and noted that Hoffman (like many other pitchers with lower velocity) benefits from a wider strike zone than most pitchers.
In the minors:
- One of the more interesting Brewers to qualify for minor league free agency this week was Angel Salome, whose career has derailed over the last 24 months or so. R.J. Anderson of FanGraphs has a look at Salome's value and says "If nothing else, a team could stash him in the minors and allow him to gain reps in the outfield before eventually sneaking him out there on days with a groundball heavy starter on the hill; all the while holding onto the hope that Salome would have a change of heart about catching"
- Hunter Morris continues to spend the fall working on playing third base in the AFL, although he started at first yesterday. Tom Haudricourt reports that Brewer minor league infield instructor Garth Iorg thinks Morris "can be a good third baseman."
- Ever wondered what goes on at Maryvale Baseball Park between the end of spring training and the day when pitchers and catchers start reporting the next year? John Steinmiller has your answer, and it's a lot more than you might expect.
The offseason does give us plenty of time to rehash debates like this: Craig Calcaterra says the retro logo uniforms were the best in franchise history, and the current logo is the worst.
Around baseball:
Athletics: Acquired outfielder David DeJesus from the Royals for pitcher Vin Mazzaro and a minor leaguer. (FanShot)
Cubs: Outfielder Brad Snyder has been removed from the 40 man roster and is now a free agent.
Mets: First baseman Mike Hessman and catcher Omir Santos rejected outright assignments to the minors and are now free agents.
Rangers: Outfielder Jeff Francoeur has rejected an outright assignment to the minors and is now a free agent.
Reds: Outrighted catcher Corky Miller off their 40 man roster and re-signed him to a minor league deal.
Royals: Pitcher Brian Bannister rejected an outright assignment to the minors and is now a free agent. The team also designated pitcher/outfielder Brian Anderson for assignment.
Today in former Brewer notes:
- Carson Cistulli of FanGraphs noted that this offseason's list of minor league free agents includes former Brewer farmhands Dennis Sarfate, Adam Heether and R.J. Swindle. The Heater noticed that it also includes Brian Shouse.
- I wasn't able to find any current Brewers on the rosters for the new Australian Winter League, but Rattler Radio notes that David Nilsson is managing the Brisbane Bandits. Also, former Brewer minor leaguers David Welch and Trent Oeltjen are playing for the Sydney Blue Sox.
- Russell Branyan is a free agent this winter and is switching agents.
We have interesting news today from Minnesota, where the Twins have announced plans to add free Wi-Fi to Target Field. In-Between Hops wants the Brewers to follow suit.
Today's saddest news comes from Seattle, where Dave Niehaus, who has been the voice of the Seattle Mariners for their entire existence, has passed away (FanShot). Jeff Sullivan of Lookout Landing has a must-read tribute.
No birthdays today.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to update my prescription.
Drink up.
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Question, would the tigers include Jacob Turner in a package of prospects for prince fielder?
by KittenMittons on Nov 11, 2010 10:04 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I bet they would
But it wouldnt be much more after him.
Fielder’s value is not very high for a trade, as he is going to be due a lot of money next year, and the team that acquires him will only get him for one year.
A top ptiching prospect and a mid level prospect is probably all the Brewers get for him. Or an established pitcher with 2 years of arb left, and that mid level prospect.
They get the draft picks, though
Is that not taken into account? He’s obviously going to be a Type A free agent so there are two draft picks coming to the team that has him at the end of his contract. It certainly needs to be taken into consideration for the Brewers when they’re weighing the options of the trade. If there isn’t fair value out there, then holding him for the draft picks is a viable option, as well. It seems like draft picks would be much more important in considering a mid-season trade and they must have some value.
There’s no telling where the pick will be and whether they’ll get screwed like they did with Sabathia, but even sandwich round draft picks are worth quite a bit.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
by ecocd on Nov 11, 2010 10:39 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Trade Value Calculator
Figures in $5 million for draft pick value when acquiring Fielder. Without it, Fielder is worth almost nothing in a trade at this point because of his salary.
Here’s the math on it:
$5 million for Draft Picks
$14.7 million for 2011 Salary
4 projected WAR
Surplus value of $8.7 million
I figure he gets at least 100% premium added before the season begins because of his power output and potential.
A top pitching prospect is worth between $8 and $15 million depending on how “top”.
The brewers can still send money over with fielder in the trade.
I’d rather do that then give up a prospect.
by KittenMittons on Nov 11, 2010 11:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Thats true
But the Tigers can and probably would be willing to pay his full contract, and save themself a prospect. I think its pretty rare for a trade like that to be done before the season begins and have money be thrown in, especially if the teams dont really know what the salary amount is going to be.
4 projected WAR?
Maybe its quibbling, but I’d think it would be more near 5.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
Why would you project 5?
Thats a HUGE year. He was projected for that last year too and fell short.
The numbers I have seen had him at 5+, but when you factor in how much he missed by this year, I think 4 is a fair number. Any team acquiring him is going to factor in what they think his value is, and of course Melvin has his values as well, but 4 is a pretty fair number, imo.
How much he missed?
You mean .9? And the previous year was 6.9.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 12, 2010 9:55 AM CST up reply actions
Sounds like a good trade to me
Imagine a future rotation with Gallardo, Turner, and Odorizzi. Throw in two of Heckathorn, Rivas, Rogers, Peralta, Scarpetta, and that sounds like a pretty bitchin’ starting rotation to me.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Nov 11, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Completely agree
if the Tigers were to offer Turner, or Andy Oliver in a deal for Prince Fielder, DM would be buffoonish to turn it down.
Throw in a guy like Cody Satterwhite along with it and there are the makings of an amazing 2013 rotation.
Would you rather...
Get Andy Oliver for Fielder or Jacob Turner for Fielder? Fielder could get the Brewers either of them, but not both
by ilikeburritos on Nov 11, 2010 3:21 PM CST up reply actions
Oliver
but Turner is just as good. Just a difference of arrival time to the mlb roster. I would have taken Oliver instead of Arnett, though in the 09 draft.
Turner
He’ll take longer to get to the majors, but he has a higher upside. He’s exactly what Melvin is looking for…big and hard throwing. Excellent control for someone his age, and ridiculously low home run and walk rates in A/A+
by KittenMittons on Nov 11, 2010 5:20 PM CST up reply actions
Not quite what Melvin is looking for
He is looking for that kind of guy, but with 3 years of MLB experience. He’s not going to get that for Fielder, but thats close to what he’s looking for.
Why is DM so obsessed with veteran pitchers?
He’s known for taking pitchers who are 30+ years old and does not consider prospects as much IMO
I mean the major signings he’s had that I know of- Wolf, Davis, Suppan, Looper, and Sabathia(wasnt 30 years old but still a veteran pitcher and very expensive)
I don’t recall the last time Melvin has traded for a young pitcher/bright prospect
by ilikeburritos on Nov 12, 2010 8:07 PM CST up reply actions
If a guy is 30+ years old
and only has 3 years of experience, they probably suck.
Also, Sabathia doesn’t fit in your mold there, they didn’t sign him.
Also, teams like Milwaukee don’t trade for prospects. They trade prospects. That’s what having a great draft position every year lets you do.
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Calcaterra must be pretending 1994-99 never existed.
I can get behind that stance.
by klwillis45 on Nov 11, 2010 10:07 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The brewers are stuck with the current logo thanks to the Miller sponsorship, no?
by KittenMittons on Nov 11, 2010 10:10 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The logo from those years is the only one I dislike.
by Noah Jarosh on Nov 11, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed
That logo is just plain awful.
I love the retro logo. It would be great if they updated the colors and used that for a new logo.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Nov 11, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Nov 11, 2010 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Ditto
That was by far the worse logo in the history of the franchise. I actually like our current logo.
by Saberilliterate on Nov 11, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I like the current one as well.
It will never be a classic, but it’s nice.
by Noah Jarosh on Nov 11, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
Still my favorite uniform
I agree with CC, our current ones are just your basic, off the shelf, generic uniforms.
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Fielder and the White Sox
I think the Brewers missed their best chance to deal with the White Sox last July when Dan Hudson was still available. Now that he is a member of the Diamondbacks, they White Sox dont have much of what the Brewers want or need to get a deal done.
Of the White Sox rotation, Peavy is too expensive, Buehrle and Jackson would only be one year guys with the Brewers, the Sox wont give up John Danks, and all that leaves is Gavin Floyd.
Floyd has 2 years remaining on his current contract, with a team option for a 3rd year. I would project his surplus value in a trade at approximately $28 million. Given the fact that you would have to bet on the White Sox paying a 100% premium to get Fielder, the Brewers would still have to come up with something pretty valuable to land Floyd.
Its possible they could pull this off: a Fielder for Floyd and then the Brewers throw in a guy like Kyle Heckathorn or Amaury Rivas to balance it out.
Not a good trade. Why would they want to give up Fielder AND a prospect to get a pitcher for 3 years. Much better dealing with a team that can make the move where the Brewers give up nothing more than Fielder.
Because they want a good pitcher
I think the Brewers front office is thinking about this offseason as finding a free agent pitcher and not just trading Fielder away. Fielder can be a piece of a deal and still be a good trade for the Brewers. If you think there’s a trade out there that involves a pitcher that’s ready to play now (which is what the Brewers are looking for) for Fielder, then that would be great.
If you take it from the perspective of the Brewers wanting an affordable, quality pitcher, rather than a salary dump of Fielder, then a Floyd trade could start making more sense.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
I don't quite remember the exact quote...
but didn’t the MA and DM already state that they won’t be looking in FA for starting pitching?
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Yeah. I feel like "free agent" was out of place in that comment.
If you make this:
I think the Brewers front office is thinking about this offseason as finding a free agent pitcher and not just trading Fielder away.
Into this:
I think the Brewers front office is thinking about this offseason as finding a quality pitcher and not just trading Fielder away.
Then I agree with it.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 11, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, in that case I'm with you.
Fielder is one asset that could be flipped for pitching, but he’s not the only one and it’s possible a decent deal could get done without him being in it.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 11, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
At this point
its probably far more likely that his value will peak at July 31st, 2011.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
I'll agree with that.
I’m going to predict that Fielder is traded for a bat, after we trade a bat for pitching.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
It really depends on how the other trade goes.
If we trade, say, lawrie for a pitcher, we woudl trade Fielder for a prospect bat to replace Lawrie.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
If prospect
Here are a list of guys that would probably be one for one targets in a Fielder trade. Victor Wong rates a 26-50 prospect as worth about $20 million. So if we figure Fielders surplus value in the open market is $20 million and you say he goes for a bat, here are the potentials:
Chris Carter, 1B, Oakland
Travis d’Arnaud, C, Toronto
Dee Gordon, SS, Dodgers
Grant Green, SS, Oakland
Wilson Ramos, C, Nationals
Wilin Rosario, C, Colorado
I’m not including guys from teams in the division, or the Royals or Pirates.
Not a bad prospect to trade for a bat like one of the players listed above, and then move the same prospect for pitching, or move another bat for the pitching.
If the A’s – McGehee rumor had any legs, it would be interesting to see a Fielder and McGehee to Oakland for Chris Carter, Trevor Cahill (or Dallas Braden) and Kevin Kouzmanoff. Hmmmm.
I think they'll give escobar another year or two before declaring him lost
so, unless those SS prospects are in single-A, I think Dougie won’t pull the trigger. And I don’t think dougie sees anyone under AAA as having any value (if in another club’s system)
by PagsBrewCrew on Nov 11, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
That's what I was thinking
Though I don’t think there’s really any reason to give up on Escobar for a while. According to fangraphs he was a plus fielder, overall and positive WAR at the plate in his rookie season. Not all that bad for a first year shortstop. I think they’re going to give him at least 2 more years before moving him anywhere.
I would be interested to see what Escobar’s first half and second half defensive splits look like. It seems like he and Weeks had almost no chemistry to begin the season, but those double plays were really hooking up midway through the season.
Wasn’t one of them injured or Macha didn’t play them together much during Spring Training? I remember being worried about chemistry at the beginning of the season. I think we’re all expecting his defense to improve next year and his OBP couldn’t really get much worse…
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
I think he sees value in young hitters, but not so much in young pitchers.
He’s had so many prospect pitchers get hurt or go awry, that it makes sense that he’s lost faith in minor league pitching.
He’s seen plenty of his hitters pan out, though, so I’m guessing he thinks that their scouting reports are more indicative of future results than they are for pitching.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
True
But Carter could take over on opening day to replace Fielder at !B and be under team conrol for 6 years.
Having too many shortstops is an excellent problem.
It’s much easier to move a guy down the defensive spectrum than up.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Nov 11, 2010 12:35 PM CST up reply actions
It's too bad Hardy wasn't more open to a move to 3B
I think he’d have worked out well there.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Nov 11, 2010 1:53 PM CST up reply actions
Was that even a consideration?
I don’t remember reading anything about it, but that move might have made sense considering his speed.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
he refused to switch
i thought it was 2b though
by PagsBrewCrew on Nov 11, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
Considering his excellent defense, it was a great non-move
With his recent offensive output, defense is where his value lies.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
Australian league
Former Brewers farmhand Chris Oxspring is a player-coach for the Sydney Blue Sox.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Javier Vazquez
No thanks. He’s coming off probably the worst season of his career and will be 35 next season.
Maybe if he’s willing to take a pay cut from last season, but even then, I’m not sure.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Flyball pitcher too, blech
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 8:44 PM CST up reply actions
I tink he'd be worth a look if you can get him cheap enough.
He was great for the Braves. Put him in the NL Central instead of the AL East and I bet he does pretty well.
For your health!
Yeah, very cheap
he’s not that good, and will be getting worse. I think you can do better for the money than to gamble on Vazquez.
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Braves
That was one season… and a career one for him at that.
Looking at his other seasons, I’d say that going forward he is more likely to pitch like he did last season than he did the season with the Braves.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Player Development
It is nice to read that the Brewers do personal development as well as baseball development. There are a lot of skills that an 18-20 y/o young man still needs to learn – like how to eat @ a nice restaurant, financial skills, etc
by Saberilliterate on Nov 11, 2010 11:50 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I think you're forgetting
garish shirt design, arranging a basic itinerary to get to your first game, home run celebrations…
"I hope your name is Rick"
... your meatman...
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by tcyoung on Nov 11, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
November 19
= season ticket renewal deadline
December 15th = 9 pack renewal deadline
I’d be very surprised to see the brewers trade a major leaguer for a prospect before those deadlines. I wouldn’t be surprised, however, to see them try to bring in help for 2011 before that December 15 deadline.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Nov 11, 2010 12:13 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
But how do they get the latter, without giving up the former?
I just cant see them moving a guy like Lawrie or Odirrizi for an established arm. Its so incredibly short sighted that even OV might see the error of it.
I see you brought your welder's mask
Thus allowing you to stare directly into the sun.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
by ecocd on Nov 11, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
beware of STIS
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
still loving that Hardy trade...
guuuhh…
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Do you mean the one
that DM didnt pull the trigger on in the Winter of 2008 when he could have sent him to SF for Matt Cain?
You are confusing your made up trades
I believe it was Prince Fielder for Matt Cain that was proposed in make-believe land.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Nov 11, 2010 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
No I dont think it was ever pursued
Because DM over values guys.
Back at that time, after his 2nd straight 20+ HR season, I felt that it was time to sell high on him, and the Giants would have been a perfect trading partner, for Matt Cain.
He was traded after he slipped in 09 for Gomez.
I’ve always been a sell high guy. For the past off season there is one guy on the Brewers that I felt is a good sell now or sell high candidate that I will share with my baseball pals at work. This year of course its Fielder, last year it was McGehee, 08 was Hardy, 07 Sheets, 06 Hall, 05 Jenkins….
Oh, I'm well aware of your belief and Hardy's career to date
I don’t think it was ever pursued because the Giants would never give up Cain for Hardy.
In a quick google search, the only reference I could find was a Gammons mention from the 2008 offseason that had Fielder, Hardy and another prospect going to SF for Cain.
Its understandable to say “DM should have traded Hardy when his value was highest” but you lose me when you say “DM should have traded Hardy for Cain” because we have no idea if it was on the table.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Nov 11, 2010 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Should vs Could
Hardy was coming off of a 4.9 WAR year in his first year of arbitration while making $2.65 mil. Its reasonable to assume that at the very least he was going to provide you with $25 million worth of surplus value at that time.
Cain was coming off of a 3.7 WAR season and had just finished the second of a 4 year deal where he was still due $7 million with an option for a 3rd. You could expect $30 million in surplus value.
Granted, it could have been a stretch, but the Giants needed a SS at that time, Cain was coming off of an 8-14 season, while Hardy was coming off of a 24 HR season.
The Brewers should have traded Hardy for Roy Halladay.
Look, I can make up things, too!
by Noah Jarosh on Nov 11, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ugh
Of course I wasnt a member of this board at that time, and I only have my word as witness here (apart from the guys at my office I proposed those deals to), but trading Hardy after the 2008 season would have been a smart move, and not as outlandish as you propose the idea to be.
I believe that you wanted to trade him
I don’t believe that the Giants would have traded Matt Cain for him.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Nov 11, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
it's not that hardy was untradable
or that cain was untradable.
just the logistics of trading two players (or more) go beyond matching up surplus values and adding a fudge factor where convienient.
by PagsBrewCrew on Nov 11, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Pretty sure Supertramp is right on that one
I think The make believe Hardy trade was to Boston wasn’t it?
I do think he did a piss poor job on that trade unless he was just looking to dump salary. If that’s the case, he gambled on a guy with high upside in Gomez and can’t really be blamed for it.
For your health!
I can't see any universe in which the Twins non-tender him
unless they’re trying to save money, which they’re on the record as saying they aren’t.
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Agreed
Hardy didn’t play in as many games this year, but he had the best UZR/150 of any SS in all of baseball with at least 850 innings played and the 5th best UZR. If I remember right fangraphs had an article a year or two ago about Hardy being the 3rd best defender in baseball regardless of position of the previous three year time span. You don’t just drop a superb defender at a defense-first position. Its the reason Brendan Ryan is playing for the Cardinals
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
You're probably right
The more I think about it, the more it doesn’t make sense for the Twins to drop him mostly because the SS market sucks. Johnny Peralta just got a 2 years $11.25MM deal and he’s no better than Hardy.
The only way I could see it is if their defensive metrics and scouts have a different opinion of his defense than UZR does.
Get a ife broseph
He probably will be back, but I think there is a chance he is non-tendered
Just one unofficial poll, but Twins fans were split 60-40 on the question:
http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/8/16/1625501/will-j-j-be-non-tendered
He’ll make about $6mm and was bad at the plate the last two years, though average or above-average in the field depending on your preferred fielding metric.
Get a ife broseph
UZR loves him, no doubt
I’m sure the Twins have their own defensive metric that they will use, and that will play a big part in their decision.
He’ll probably be back, but it wouldn’t shock me if they decided he wasn’t worth the $5-$6mm
Get a ife broseph
The Twins were 59-36 in games that Hardy started.
I believe that works out to 35-32 in games he didn’t start.
I don’t know if this means anything, and it probably doesn’t. But it’s … something?
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
Partial truth
He held his own defensively, and was above average.
But his bat was horrible.
He was just a rookie, so nothing really to be concerned about if you ask me. If he slows himself down mentally on defense, he becomes that Gold Glover (not like Jeter) that everyone expects.
Offensively he just needs to recognize pitches better and be a bit more lucky than he was last year. With average offense and above average D at SS he is a 3 WAR player.
Everyone still has their own definition of defense
Fangraphs has him 10 of 22 qualifying and positive value above replacement on defense. That’s plenty good for a rookie.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
by ecocd on Nov 11, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd look into Brian Bannister
Probably because he’s an incredibly smart baseball guy, but still. He’d be nice depth.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Ummmmm, why?
His record doesn’t show anything other than replacement level. He made $2.3 million last year. Wouldn’t he expect at least the same? I’d think someone int he Brewers organization could put up those numbers for less money. Even Rogers could split time (due to injury) with Capuano to do it and they would collectively cost less than $2.3 million, I would think.
"Just one more turn." - The Civilization addict's motto
Your last commen applies to counsell as well
They better not be paying him more than a million this year for production they could likely get out of someone in their system for league minimum.
For your health!
Deities don't come cheap
I had a link here to my blog, but it's now defunct and I guess I've lost the URL. Currently taking suggestions for a new signature.
Yuck
maybe on a minor league deal.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
My heart wants Bannister
My head knows it would probably be a bad move.
I had a link here to my blog, but it's now defunct and I guess I've lost the URL. Currently taking suggestions for a new signature.
To all of you
He refused an outright, so I’m sure he’s not looking for much more than the minimum and a shot at the major league roster. He had a brutal year but he did put up a 4.14 FIP in ‘09, so it’s not like there’s no hope for him.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Right
but at best he’s probably a straight sub for Parra or Bush.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 11, 2010 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
No doubt
I was actually kind of curious to see if the OF corner defense would improve with a new coach.
Get a ife broseph
I'm guessing that Roenicke will give that responsibility to someone other than Sedar
While with the Angels, Roenicke handled that job as bench coach, so it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch if he would give that job to his bench coach.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Maybe he's back because he knows the players names
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by Mykenk on Nov 11, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
And has personalized handshakes for each of them.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
by sjlee on Nov 11, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This is crucial
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
you might be right
but, aside from posting on this blog, I could plead insanity
by PagsBrewCrew on Nov 12, 2010 11:49 PM CST up reply actions
No Silver Slugger for Rickie Weeks.
Ridiculous that they didn’t even mention the WAR leader among NL second baseman.
According to Wiki
These voters consider several offensive categories in selecting the winners, including batting average, slugging percentage, and on-base percentage, in addition to “coaches’ and managers’ general impressions of a player’s overall offensive value”
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
But it's a Silver Slugger for Yo
his first
by ilikeburritos on Nov 11, 2010 6:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think they really look at WAR for the Silver Slugger award
Doesn’t WAR takes defense into consideration?
Anyway, I agree that he should’ve been a candidate (at least ahead of Phillips), but I don’t think he should have won… not when you look at Uggla’s numbers.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
According to wOBA
they chose the guy tied for 7th best in the NL(according to OPS as well). That only includes qualified players. Uggla, Johnson, Utley, Weeks,Proado and Infante would all have been a better choice. Apparently OPS is to complicated for writers’ pea sized brains. He was a below average hitter. This is as bad as the GG awards.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Nevermind. The right guy won.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Writers don't vote on silver sluggers
It is coaches and managers.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
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