Thursday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while recruiting new landscapers.
It looks like Prince Fielder might be getting sick of all the conversation about his weight being a risk factor in a potential long-term deal: Craig Calcaterra saw a picture of the slugger on his recent tour of Japan and noticed that Fielder appears to have lost a few pounds. I've posted the picture on your right: What do you think?
Another day with minimal other news means another day discussing Carl Pavano. Tom Haudricourt noted that the Brewers would have to give their 2011 second round pick to the Twins if they sign Pavano, since he's a Type A free agent and was offered arbitration. Haudricourt expects all of this to play out before Christmas.
Meanwhile, John Bonnes has a look at the situation from the Twins side, and discusses the merits of either working out a deal or passing on Pavano soon.
It's worth noting, once again, that there are reasons to prefer Joe Blanton over Pavano: Dave Cameron of FanGraphs compared the two pitchers and said, "A GM willing to look past the hypnotic powers of ERA could save his team a lot of money."
Here's a name we haven't discussed yet: Jon Paul Morosi of Fox Sports says the Indians are listening to offers for righthander Fausto Carmona. Carmona posted a 3.77 ERA in 210.1 innings last season, a nice bounceback after posting ERA's over 5 in each of the two previous seasons. His peripheral numbers are poor (career 5.5 K/9, 3.7 BB/9), but he's signed to a relatively team-friendly deal: He's due $6.1 million in 2011, then could earn $7, $9 and $12 million from 2012-14 on a series of team options. Jordan Bastian of MLB.com says he's not surprised teams are interested, but would be surprised if the Indians make a move.
At least we can be confident the Brewers are leaving no stone unturned in their search for pitching: Baseball Reflections found this Help Wanted ad.
It's been a while since we've heard anything about the Brewers' efforts to sign Rickie Weeks to an extension. Vaughn's Valley makes the case for a long term deal.
In the minors:
- Rattler Radio has Episode two of the second season of The Offseason, and it's well worth seeing.
- Ryan Braun's brother Steve is no longer a Brewer minor leaguer, and Jack Moore of NotGraphs used his release as a segue into a conversation about Werewolf movies.
Flip Flop Fly Ball has today's most interesting graphic: They note that six teams (the Brewers, Cubs, White Sox, Tigers, Indians and Blue Jays) play their home games in a city bordering the Great Lakes, and they haven't all won on the same day since September 21, 2007.
Around baseball:
Astros: Signed infielder Brian Dopriak and pitcher Sammy Gervacio to minor league deals.
Athletics: Signed pitcher Rich Harden to a one year, $1.5 million deal.
Diamondbacks: Are expected to sign catcher Henry Blanco (one year, $1 million) and outfielder Xavier Nady (one year, $1.75 million).
Dodgers: Signed reliever Matt Guerrier to a three year, $12 million deal.
Marlins: Signed reliever Randy Choate to a two year, $2.5 million deal.
Pirates: Signed pitcher Donnie Veal to a minor league deal.
Red Sox: Signed pitcher Lenny DiNardo to a minor league deal.
Royals: Designated pitcher Philip Humber for assignment.
White Sox: Signed reliever Jesse Crain to a three year deal.
The Nationals held a press conference yesterday to introduce Jayson Werth. It was already widely believed that Werth's deal might be the worst signed this offseason, and that was before we knew it includes a full no-trade clause. Ouch.
Some of it went over my head because it was a little too early for advanced reading, but J-Doug of Beyond the Box Score has an interesting post showing that pitchers who throw more off-speed pitches tend to get fewer called strikes, especially down in the zone.
Elsewhere in sabermetric observations: Jeremy Greenhouse of The Baseball Analysts has another look at using Pitch F/x data to identify pace of game issues. There's some pretty interesting stuff in there.
I've toned down the winter league coverage around here a little bit this offseason, but I'm still fascinated by it. Ed Price of MLB FanHouse recently took a trip to Venezuela to watch Magallanes and Caracas play and shot this video of the dancing, shouting, beer-throwing environment.
- Adam McCalvy says Trevor Hoffman is still looking for an opportunity to close again next season, and wonders if the Dodgers might be a possibility.
- Cybermetrics unveiled a stat designed to pick the most "All-Around" players since 1957, and Marquis Grissom checked in at #21.
On this day in 1999 the Brewers signed infielder Jose Hernandez to a three year, $10 million deal. Hernandez hit .261/.324/.434 and was a 2002 All Star as a Brewer. His 2000 season was a disaster (-0.1 WAR, according to B-Ref), but he went on to be worth 5.9 WAR over his final two seasons. He also led the NL in strikeouts in 2001 and 2002.
With help from the B-Ref Play Index and Brewerfan.net, happy birthday today to:
- Alcides Escobar, who turns 24.
- Brevard County Manatee Trey Watten, who also turns 24.
- 2003-04 Brewer Matt Kinney, who turns 34.
- 2000 Brewer Chris Jones, who turns 45.
- 1975 Brewer Tommy Bianco, who turns 58.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back to my farm.
Drink up.
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Confused as to
how much money a team would actually save with Fat Pavano over Pavano… Philly isn’t going to give him away for nothing…
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by Mykenk on Dec 16, 2010 10:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
If a team took on his whole contract, they could probably get him for close to nothing.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 16, 2010 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
But a lot less than what they would pay to Pavano.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 16, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
On both years, plus possibly another $10MM for a third year of Pavano.
So as much as $13MM, potentially, and likely at least $3MM.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 16, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
3M for a better pitcher (IMO)
isn’t a lot. I don’t want him if it takes 3 years, though I wouldn’t be horribly upset with it.
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How do you define better, then?
As the post above notes, Pavano and Blanton have near identical peripherals. Blanton is younger and more durable.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Identical for their careers
But Blanton has been much worse recently and his career numbers are brought down by his one excellent season in Oakland that he’s shown no signs of being able to repeat.
Given Pavano’s age/injury risk/cost, maybe it would be worth it though, if the Phillies aren’t asking for anything but salary relief.
Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.
Blanton
Looking at his stats, it looks like a big factor in his declining performance between Oakland and Philadelphia was an increased HR/9 and a huge increase in HR/FB% (his xFIP the last two years was actually still pretty good). I thought that might be because Philadelphia has a park factor favoring HR way more than Oakland, but it looks like his HR/9 was fairly constant Home vs. Away, so I don’t know.
Maybe he caught Manny Parra’s disease.
Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.
I felt pretty loug when I woke up this morning.
by Braunstalker on Dec 16, 2010 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
flip-flopping
on the flip-flop graphic, that would be more interesting if he picked days in which all the teams won while at home… i would think that if you’re implying some kind of “lake effect”, then it would be relevant to home games (and not everyone will be at home all the time). otherwise, you might as well see when the last time all the teams with a three (or more) syllable city won a game or something like that.
as for the dodgers, that’s just silly. padilla and hoffman aren’t in broxton’s class… broxton was effective when used “normally” for a closer, but torre was horrible with him. there wouldn’t be a save situation for a week, and so he’d put him in a game with a 5 run lead and have him throw 50 pitches. as long as mattingly is somewhat judicious, he’ll be fine.
Good Lord, he's lost weight
There’s no doubt about it, you can see it. He’s much thinner.
before

after

I think it's just an optical illusion.
He can choose clothes that make him look slimmer. he only has so many uniform options.
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He's definately thinner,
You can see it in his face.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 16, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
I was wondering about that
Could the beard be deceiving us?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2010 11:31 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
No, he's thinner. Much thinner.
This is not an optical illusion.

by nullacct on Dec 16, 2010 12:47 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He hasn't lost any muscle
And he looks happy. Sounds to me like he senses the-payday-of-a-lifetime approaching and plans on capitalizing on it. So yes, since we’re not going to be able to re-sign him anyway, it’s very good for us.
Everyone's happy in Japan.
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by Mykenk on Dec 16, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He looks great, and he’s a Boras guy entering his walk year. He is going to hit 100 dingers and probably destroy one of Saturn’s moons doing it.
by warwick5s on Dec 16, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Not good because it means there’s even less of a chance he stays in Milwaukee, or not good because it will hurt his performance?
I think he could have a huge year if he’s finally in better shape (I mean, look at the ridiculous numbers he was putting up even when it looked like he could barely breath after reaching first sometimes)
Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.
Damn,
he loses any more weight, and keeps rocking the hair and beard, he could join Bad Brains.
by Braunstalker on Dec 16, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
he looks... normal O_O
what is this world coming to?!?
by ilikeburritos on Dec 16, 2010 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
Even though his jersey is not tucked in...
and my eyes are getting older, he looks thinner to me. I’m wondering what changes he’s made, whether it be diet, exercise or both? AND, will he come to Spring Training with the same power. When was that pic taken?
"Relax, have a homebrew."
by CajunCavern on Dec 16, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
He'll be in the best shape of his life!
Towlieppan: "You wanna throw high?"
by GoGregGo on Dec 16, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Fielder
BSohL
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2010 11:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
ahhh...i get it now (see GGG's post above)
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 16, 2010 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
yeah, maybe it was too obscure
although it should be a frequently used acronym.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
fff
the 2001 date, mke beat montreal, which is on the body of water linking the gr. lakes to the atlantic, so I’d argue that they’re also a gr lk team
Carmona
The question I have is whether this is a move to unload money or to strengthen the farm system. If they want to free up the money, then I think Melvin should try getting him. If they want premium prospects, then there is no way we get him. It would be great to have a static rotation for the next few years. Plus, if he does well, we can trade in 2014 and fill the farm.
by Mr. McGehee on Dec 16, 2010 11:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I doubt it's just to free up money
He’s only guaranteed $6.1 more million.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
So
maybe this is the year Escobar sucks in winter ball, and does well in MLB, instead of the other way around.
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Well
He sucked in winter ball in 2008 too. That’s the year he was rumored to have been kicked off his team.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
for the Ordonez re-signing?
its not an awful signing. Id project him at 2.1 WAR. Maybe overpaid a bit.
Its definitely not a surplus value driven deal
Unless he has a really good year.
Got me thinking though, if 2 WAR is an average major leaguer, and a win is worth $4.5 million, then the average production is worth $9 million. And as we learned yesterday, the average mlb salary is a little over $3 million. So someone is making a lot of money they didnt really earn, players or owners. Wonder how to figure that out. Any math guys want to take that on?
Correct me if I am wrong
but isnt that the free market value of a win?
so since so many players are under team control and therefor not really on the open market, it brings the average down
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The average is deceptive.
Because the vast majority of major leaguers are earning at or near the league minimum. In fact, it’s possible the median major leaguer makes less than $1m/year. But big contracts pull the average up.
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That's true
But $4.5 million is the free-agent value of a win. If the system allowed everyone to be a free agent at the end of their first year in the majors, it would be a weird situation, but considering the first 3 years of labor are artificially held down, the value of a win overall isn’t 4.5, unsurprisingly it’s closer to 3. An average player should get close to $9 million in free agency, not overall.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
It'd be interesting to see how the market would play out if all players were free agents.
It’d clearly be good for the guys who are under full control and making league minimum, but the redistribution of wealth would likely mean there wouldn’t be as much money left for the guys at the top.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Braves/Uggla repotedly nearing 5 year/$60 million extension
Would Weeks want something similar?
Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.
Good question
Uggla has had 5 straight years playing at least 146 games with a lifetime .837 OPS.
Last year was Weeks’ first full year and had a .830 OPS in what was considered his breakout year.
Weeks is 2 years younger and according to UZR plays much better defense. I’d think Weeks would get less than Uggla based on his injury history and Uggla’s mashing at the plate, but that’s just a guess.
Get a ife broseph
It gives me a lot of hope that they should be able to get one done
Because I think Weeks would demand less. Maybe he would want a shorter one to hit the market again later. 3 or 4 years, and $35-40 or $45-50, something of that nature would be hard to turn down for him I’d think.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I weigh 216.5 lbs....
Just so you know
Goooooo-mez!
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