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Some things to read while making a short list.

The Brewers still aren't sure who the fifth member of their starting rotation will be, but at least now we know one person it won't be: The team outrighted Josh Butler to AAA yesterday to clear a space on their 40 man roster, and aren't planning on inviting him to major league camp this spring. Butler has been in the Brewer organization for three seasons now and had a breakout year in 2009 but his overall numbers would suggest that season was an outlier, not an indication of his true talent:

Season Level ERA BB/9 K/9
2008 A+ 5.36 4.4 6.9
2009 Rookie/A+/AA/AAA 2.97 3.3 7.3
2010 A+/AA/AAA 4.94 4.3 5.6

Butler is one of 14 Brewers who have spent some time in winter ball this offseason, and Adam McCalvy has a roundup of their performances.

Cliff Lee's decision to sign with the Phillies this week has a lot of people talking about the best starting rotations in major league history. That conversation prompted Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar to look at the best and worst rotations in Brewer history: He has the 1992 rotation as the best in franchise history and, perhaps more surprisingly, the 2009 rotation as the worst by almost six full wins.

Today's most disappointing news comes in the minors, where Baseball America is reporting that the Carolina Mudcats, not Huntsville, will be the Southern League team moving into a new stadium in Pensacola. (FanShot) I'm not sure where this leaves the Stars, but it's possible they could be looking for another opportunity to relocate.

The team announced the hiring and/or promotion of nine scouts yesterday including new national crosschecker Joe Ferrone, who steps into the opening Ray Montgomery left when he took a job with the Diamondbacks a few months ago. One of the others being promoted is new Canadian Supervisor Jay Lapp. You might remember him as the scout that signed John Axford.

Axford, by the way, has a new Facebook fan page. While you're there, you should become a fan of BCB too.

Around baseball:

Athletics: Acquired outfielder Josh Willingham from the Nationals for pitcher Henry Rodriguez and a minor leaguer and signed pitcher Vinnie Chulk to a minor league deal.
Blue Jays: Signed third baseman Edwin Encarnacion to a one year, $2.5 million deal.
Cubs: Signed Kerry Wood to a one year, $1.5 million deal.
Indians: Signed shortstop Adam Everett to a minor league deal.
Nationals: Signed outfielder Jonathan Van Every to a minor league deal and are expected to sign pitcher Chien-Ming Wang.
Padres: Acquired 2B/OF Eric Patterson from the Red Sox, completing the Adrian Gonzalez deal.
Rays: Signed reliever Joel Peralta to a one year, $900,000 deal.
Red Sox: Signed reliever Bobby Jenks to a two year, $12 million deal.
Rockies: Acquired catcher Jose Morales from the Twins for a minor league pitcher.
Tigers: Signed outfielder Magglio Ordonez to a one year, $10 million deal.
Twins: Signed infielder Tsuyoshi Nishioka to a three year, $10 million deal.
Yankees: Signed reliever Pedro Feliciano to a two year, $8 million deal.

Today in former Brewers:

  • Tom Haudricourt is reporting the Rockies are interested in signing Todd Coffey.
  • I was relatively surprised to discover that the Dodgers were considering signing Bill Hall to play left field. I'm even more surprised to discover that three other teams (including the Yankees) are also interested in signing him.

Batting Average on Balls in Play (BABIP) has become one of the stats we use a lot around here in an effort to quantify the level of luck involved in player performances. If you've always wondered what it is or how it's calculated, Steve Slowinski of Beyond the Box Score has a primer for you.

With help from the B-Ref Play Index, happy birthday today to:

  • 1986 and 1989 Brewer Bryan Clutterbuck, who turns 51.
  • Stoddard, WI native Roy Patterson, who turns 134. Patterson was a member of the White Sox from 1901-07.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get a stronger grip on this stick.

Drink up.

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When will we find out what we got from Toronto for Villa?

I thought I had heard that we would find out after the Rule 5 but I could be wrong.

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by Jeo on Dec 17, 2010 9:30 AM CST reply actions  

That was the thought that it might

be a rule 5 eligible guy, or something like that. It’s not going to be anything, I wouldn’t get that excited about it.

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by Mykenk on Dec 17, 2010 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

It look that way

I really like the Marcum addition, so I’m not too angry at Melvin, but why exactly did he give away Villanueva for nothing? $<2 million in salary relief?

Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.

by SRB on Dec 17, 2010 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

Crowded bullpen, cost issues

I’m guessing they were going to non-tender him before they worked out the trade with the Jays.

$2MM isn’t a lot, but the Org felt (right or wrong) that they could get the same type of production for league minimum.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 17, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

You could tell he was on his way out when they didn’t bother using him very much when he rejoined the team in Sept.

I think the salary relief was less a reason than the roster spot he occupied.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 17, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough, about the salary relief and roster spot.

You’d think there would be moderate trade interest in a pretty decent reliever who is young, affordable, and can start in a pinch though. Maybe that’s just my irrational love for Villanueva speaking.

Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.

by SRB on Dec 18, 2010 1:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, if he gets a player worth .01 wins

Then he’ll have gotten more in return than he would’ve gotten for simply non-tendering him.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 18, 2010 9:02 AM CST up reply actions  

not really

depends on if you have someone worth more than that in your system that you’d promote in his stead.

for pitchers, that probably means that if he was worth -.5 wins he’d still be valuable:P

by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 18, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

1 yr- 1.5M

Seems to be a bargain for Kerry Wood. Not a great season in 2010, but he gives you veteran presence, can close, and strikes out (and walks) alot of guys per 9. If you limit the high leverage situations he appears in until he gets it going (look at the NYY stats from last year to see what I mean) he could be quite useful. I fear the Chubs might have finally made a sensible player acquisition this off season.

by Brew Town Boozer on Dec 17, 2010 9:59 AM CST reply actions  

He did

take a smaller deal than offered by the White Sox (I think ) and the Yankees to resign with the cubs.

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by Mykenk on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

White Sox offered him $3.5MM

Cubs have money, they took advantage of Wood’s desire to come back to the organization and lowballed him.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 17, 2010 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree?

Just pointed out they used his desire to return to their advantage, didn’t say it was a bad move.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 17, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Gotcha

I took “taking advantage” with a negative connotation. my bad.

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by Mykenk on Dec 17, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

That's a home run

"If the world were perfect, it wouldn't be." - Yogi Berra

by mnbrewer on Dec 17, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Too far or not far enough?

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 17, 2010 2:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That 1992 rotation

Was almost the same as ’93, with Bosio leaving and Miranda taking his spot. Miranda was a good fill-in, but Boddicker took on 1/3 of those starts and was not. The dWAR was higher in ’93 than ’92, and the rotation was almost the same. What change made everyone suddenly suck and the rotation drop 10 wins in one year? Other than moving Surhoff from C to 3B and having Nilsson call games, dunno.

by nullacct on Dec 17, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

Bill Hall

What do you think he’s going to make?
I would much rather have him than Counsell.
If we’re going to end up spending a couple of million on Counsell anyway, I would much rather have someone who’s got a little power.

Thoughts?

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 17, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I hope so

They Got Hall for 3 million
If we give Counsell that much I’m going to be pissed.

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 17, 2010 5:08 PM CST up reply actions  

$3 million?

I guess that’s reasonable. He’s getting about what Omar Infante has for the same production. That’s more than they’d get from Counsell, but at a higher price. I’m still wary of Weeks’ wrists and even with Hall’s painful performance against LHP, I think I’d rather have him as an everyday player than Counsell.

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by ecocd on Dec 17, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

He’s much more valuable than Counsell, he can play damn near every position on the field.

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 17, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Costs too much

He still has to be worth at least 8 million over 2 years, right? Probably more. His 2010 OPS was up to .772 and he still hits the cover off the ball against righties (.841 OPS on 219 PA). If the Brewers have money to spend I suppose he could be an option, but I don’t think that’s where they’re looking to spend their money.

He has a buyout for $500k in 2011. Are the Brewers responsible for that? I hope not…

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by ecocd on Dec 17, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Buyout

No, I don’t think teams are responsible for any buyout clauses for players that they DFA’d. I believe the last team he is with is responsible… which would be the Red Sox.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 17, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Seems weird to me.

Couldn’t they just DFA anyone and avoid buyout clauses? Or is it just assumed by the claiming team, and if no one claims, the original team is on the hook?

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by Mykenk on Dec 17, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

It was my understanding and I could be very wrong

that when you DFA someone, that any buyout instantly becomes a bonus and is paid right away. So we would have paid that money right away.

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by Jeo on Dec 17, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

You dare to say that a deity has no power?

I hope your insurance covers Raiders of the Ark style face-melting.

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Dec 17, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

As a backup SS/3B

His dWAR was good at SS and he’s got some pop, can play virtually any spot in the field in a pinch, and is only 30 yrs old – he’ll get $9MM/2 from someone, imo

by nullacct on Dec 17, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

In retrospect

The money we paid Bill Hall doesn’t look nearly as bad as some of the pitching deals we made the past few years. I think our memory is just exaggerated by the disappointment we feel for this guy. He had a lot of promise and just lost his way completely.

by nullacct on Dec 17, 2010 12:31 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It wasn't terrible...

But its got to be the worst contract in recent memory besides Suppan, right?

They paid him $8.4MM last year and he wasn’t on the team.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 17, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions  

That damn soap opera curse!!!

What happened to 5.0 WAR Bill Hall? :(

Shaun and Yo and pray for snow.

by SRB on Dec 17, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

The dWAR was from 4 years ago

Giving a guy a multi-year deal to play a position he’s barely played since 2006 doesn’t sound like a great idea.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 17, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Not bad

Good for Bill, I hope he does well

by nullacct on Dec 17, 2010 9:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Reports say

Hall goes to Astros on a one year deal (mutual option for 2012) of around $3 million…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on Dec 17, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Boom.

Roasted.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 17, 2010 2:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

McClung signs a 1 yr deal w/TEX

invited to spring training.

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by Mykenk on Dec 17, 2010 4:59 PM CST reply actions  

oh, glorious

Texas, hmm? I guess my theory re Maddux may not have been wrong.

by morineko on Dec 17, 2010 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Good for him.

I hope he does really well.

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 17, 2010 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Except in the World Series

I mean, he’ll be pitching against the Brewers, after all.

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by ecocd on Dec 17, 2010 8:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagree.

The WS is a lot of money.

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by Mykenk on Dec 17, 2010 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

besides the Cards fans

when the Cards offer Poo Holes $28 million per year and he signs with the Yanks for $29 million per.

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by molitorfan on Dec 18, 2010 7:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Edgar Renteria turns down $1MM offer from Giants

So would I, that’s chump change for a guy with his resume. He plays a decent shortstop and can hit, I’d rather have him on the roster than Cruz.

by nullacct on Dec 18, 2010 8:05 AM CST reply actions  

"I'd rather have him on the roster than Cruz"

That’s a really low bar to clear.

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by Kyle Lobner on Dec 18, 2010 9:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I would rather have a translator than Cruz.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Dec 18, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't pay your backups more than 1M

I think it’s a great strategy, I wish the brewers would listen.

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by Mykenk on Dec 18, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Maybe for the AL

But it seems like they play more in higher leverage situations in the NL

by nullacct on Dec 18, 2010 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought you wanted a backup infielder to play 2-3 times a week?

Not going to be able to find a guy who isn’t terrible for less than $1MM to do that.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 18, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Well, ideally, right.

but they’re not going to play the backup as much as they should. The brewers need more of a platoon player for 3b and SS, not a straight up backup.

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by Mykenk on Dec 18, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions  

That'd be awesome, but hard to find

A good left handed bat that plays average defense at 3B and SS?

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 18, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

THe biggest issue I think

is that he was the WS MVP.

Like it or not, that’ gonna make a guy have more perceived value. I’m sure that’s part of why he was so offended by the offer.

Of course being the NLCS MVP didn’t make Suppan suck any less.

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 18, 2010 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

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