Monday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while honking the right horn.
Before I get to the Greinke stuff, here's this morning's breaking news: Ken Rosenthal is reporting the Brewers have reached an agreement with Craig Counsell to return for one more year. (FanShot) Terms were not immediately disclosed. This would seem to lend some credibility to the theory that the Brewers intend to play Yuniesky Betancourt as their primary shortstop: Counsell almost certainly isn't physically capable of playing every day at this point.
Today's big story is, of course, the trade bringing Zack Greinke, Yuniesky Betancourt and $2 million to Milwaukee in exchange for Lorenzo Cain, Alcides Escobar, Jeremy Jeffress and Jake Odorizzi (FanShot). There's a ton of stuff about the trade to cover, so let's hit the bullet points:
- Greinke is due $13.5 million in each of the next two seasons before becoming a free agent.
- Tom Haudricourt notes that the Brewers have a good relationship with Greinke's agents (CAA Sports), but there's no talk of an extension at the moment. He reportedly wasn't interested in signing a long term deal to stay in Kansas City.
- Greinke rejected a deal that would have sent him to the Nationals before agreeing to come to Milwaukee. Patrick Reddington of Federal Baseball called that move "understandable."
- Doug Melvin said he thinks coming to Milwaukee will "reengergize" Greinke and help him improve on last season's 4.17 ERA.
- There was some speculation that Jeremy Jeffress could be removed from the deal, but he's back in.
- Lorenzo Cain told Adam McCalvy he's motivated by the trade.
- TheJay has a preview of Greinke's physical.
- Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar used 2010 WAR to rank some notable NL rotations and has the Brewers ahead of the Cubs and Reds, but behind the Cardinals, Giants and Phillies.
- Also using WAR, In-Between Hops makes the case that the Brewers are now contenders in the NL Central.
- Corey Hart and Ryan Braun are excited.
- Jeff Sackmann says the Brewers "are contenders in 2011, and it will only take one or two solid moves to make them contenders again in 2012."
- The Ghost of Moonlight Graham welcomed the Brewers to the NL pennant race.
- Chris Cwik of FanGraphs said "The Reds and Cardinals should compete for the division, but the Brewers' off-season acquisitions will be tough to beat."
- Jack Moore of Disciples of Uecker says "2011 will be a great year for baseball in Milwaukee."
- Jonathan Ede of Brewers Daily says he's "beyond excited for the next couple of seasons, but worried to say the least for what happens after that."
- Sully Baseball says that, by going all in, the Brewers are making an important statement to their fans.
- Joe Posnanski said the trade "seems to me very likely to be a huge victory for Milwaukee."
- Matthew Leach of MLB.com says the Brewers are a team to take very seriously this season.
- Bailey Stephens of MLB.com called the trade an "energizing move that sets up a tough rotation."
- Toby Harrmann of Brewerfan.net has the Brewer payroll projected at $85.47 million, not including Counsell.
- He also says the deal is great news for Caleb Gindl, who now seems likely to start in center field for Nashville.
- Miller Park Drunk isn't capable of words.
- Keep Turning Up The Heat! would like to make Doug Melvin GM for life.
- The Brewers Bar collected some Twitter reaction.
- Jeff Passan of Yahoo says the trade is pretty even for both sides.
- John Sickels of Minor League Ball says the Royals did "ok, but not great" in the deal.
- Marc Hulet of FanGraphs said the Royals' return is "certainly quantity over quality."
- Baseball America says the Royals got "no sure-fire stars but two projected strong up-the-middle defenders and two power arms."
- Call to the Pen called it a "passable" deal for the Royals.
- Baseball Intellect says the Royals could have done better.
- Dave Brown thinks the Brewers should start untucking again.
- Tom Haudricourt says it's safe to assume the Brewers are done pursuing Carl Pavano.
The excitement of getting Greinke was tempered a bit, though, by the fact that it makes Yuniesky Betancourt the Brewers' likely starting shortstop on Opening Day. Let's go back to the bullet points for a closer look at him:
- Betancourt hit .259/.288/.405 for the Royals last year, which was actually a slight OPS improvement from his .272/.296/.393 career line.
- He's also widely regarded as one of baseball's worst defensive shortstops. Jack Moore says it's possible Rickie Weeks would be better.
- Lookout Landing suggested that he might be the worst regular on a contending team in 2011.
- The Mariners, who traded Betancourt away during the 2009 season, are still on the hook for $1 million of his salary in 2011.
Ryan Topp of Bernie's Crew says shortstop is a position that needs to be shored up if the Brewers are going to contend, and offers some options for doing so.
Elsewhere in likely weak spots, the Brewers avoided arbitration with Carlos Gomez (FanShot). He'll receive $1.5 million in 2011, a $400k raise from last year. Adam McCalvy reports that the Brewers plan to play Gomez in center and Betancourt at short.
Looking way too far ahead: Matt Garrioch of MLB Bonus Baby has his first mock draft for 2011, and he predicts the Brewers will select UConn outfielder George Springer and Texas high school pitcher/shortstop Ricardo Jazquez #12 and #15 overall, respectively.
The team's 2011 draft picks might be scouted by a former Brewer: The Kearney Hub has a story about one of the organization's new scouts, 2006 Brewer Drew Anderson.
Does all of this weekend's news have you reenergized and looking for an opportunity to help the team? The Brewers are hiring an Audio/Video Engineer.
Angels: Signed catcher Ryan Budde to a minor league deal.
Astros: Signed Bill Hall to a one year, $3.25 million deal.
Athletics: Claimed pitcher Philip Humber off waivers from the Royals.
Diamondbacks: Designed pitcher Roque Mercedes for assignment.
Giants: Signed pitcher Guillermo Mota to a minor league deal.
Marlins: Reportedly signed pitcher Ricky Nolasco to a three year, $26.5 million extension, avoiding arbitration.
Nationals: Signed pitcher Chad Gaudin to a minor league deal.
Orioles: Signed second baseman Matt Antonelli to a minor league deal.
Padres: Acquired shortstop Jason Bartlett from the Rays for relievers Adam Russell and Cesar Ramos and two minor leaguers and signed second baseman Orlando Hudson to a two year, $11.5 million deal.
Rangers: Signed outfielder Endy Chavez, infielder Brian Barden and Seth McClung to minor league deals. (FanShot)
Red Sox: Signed reliever Dan Wheeler to a one year, $3 million deal.
Rockies: Signed first baseman Mike Jacobs to a minor league deal.
Royals: Designated infielder Lance Zawadzki for assignment.
Yankees: Signed pitcher Luis Vizcaino to a minor league deal.
As you might expect, the note linked above regarding Bill Hall and the Astros was written by Jack Moore.
Last week I mentioned that the Phillies had signed reliever Dennys Reyes to a one year deal. Reasons are unknown, but the deal has fallen through and Reyes remains a free agent.
It's relevant to nothing else we're discussing today, but I thought it was interesting so I'm throwing it in anyway: USA Today has a story on the Lancaster JetHawks (the Astros' affiliate in the California League) and their efforts to supply 98% of their ballpark's 2011 energy usage via solar power.
On this day in 1995, B.J. Surhoff signed a three year deal with the Orioles, ending his Brewer career. Surhoff spent nine seasons in Milwaukee, appearing in 1102 games and hitting .274/.323/.380. He still ranks among the top ten Brewers of all time in games played, hits, doubles and stolen bases.
With help from the B-Ref Play Index and Brewerfan.net, happy birthday over the weekend to:
- Wisconsin Timber Rattler Santo Manzanillo, who turns 22 today.
- Amaury Rivas, who turns 25 today.
- Chris Narveson, who turns 29 today.
- 1977-87 Brewer Cecil Cooper, who turns 61 today.
- Watertown, WI native Fred Merkle, who would have turned 122 today. Merkle played 16 major league seasons with the Giants and three other teams.
- 2004-05 and 2008 Brewer Russell Branyan, who turned 35 on Sunday.
- 1995 Brewer Joe Slusarski, who turned 44 on Sunday.
- 1992-97 Brewer Mike Fetters, who turned 46 on Sunday.
- 1985-95 Brewer Bill Wegman, who turned 48 on Sunday.
- 1976 Brewer Art Kusnyer, who turned 65 on Sunday.
- Huntsville Star Patrick Arlis, who turned 30 on Saturday.
- Milwaukee native Joe Randa, who turned 41 on Saturday. Randa played 12 major league seasons from 1995-06 with the Royals and four other teams.
- 1981-84 Brewer Roy Howell, who turned 57 on Saturday.
- Seattle Pilot and 1970 Brewer Steve Hovley, who turned 66 on Saturday.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm out of gumdrops.
Drink up.
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This has to be one of the biggest offseason Mugs of all time.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 20, 2010 10:55 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Zack's been added to the media availability roster at 11 a.m. today.
McCalvy promises updates, if you can’t watch/listen.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
Two off the cuff things I've noticed from reading around the various projections and analyses over the past day
1. Outside of BCB, I haven’t seen much mention of Dickerson as the potential CF starter. Looking at the numbers he has put up in the past I don’t understand why it shouldn’t at least be an open competition going into spring training and I’m surprise the likes of fangraphs, doesn’t even account for that possibility.
2. Much less of a surprising observation here, but I’ve seen several comments of how far the Brewers finished behind the Reds and Cards last year and that this move still doesn’t make up that entire gap. While this is true, I also think those individuals fail to account for the early season implosion of Hoffman and the 10 games below 500 hole the team was put in by June. The team played .500 ball from June on and I think that is a much more valid starting point for where these offseason moves should be accounted from.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
Agreed on #1
I think Dickerson and Gomez should start out splitting time in CF.
Because I’m too lazy to look it up: Does Boggs play center?
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 20, 2010 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
On some other forums, I've seen suggestions of giving Dickerson time
Myself included. He plays very good defense, and he gets on base well. If anything, it would be nice see him get a chance at significant time in a platoon.
CF they’re going about the right way in terms of making sure defense is there if they can’t hit as well. Shortstop is my main concern. It’s a long offseason, we’ll see if they look for someone else to trade with like Baltimore (who has 3 shortstops last I checked).
If not, Counsell and Cruz might see some significant time.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Dec 20, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
That's all he really needs
Play solid D and get on base – there’s already a ton of RBI guys in the lineup to knock you in.
I will fight until my last breath for Chris Dickerson to be the starter.
Chris Dickerson for CF '11!
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 20, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I will hold your hand during that time.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 20, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I will eat a hot ham sandwich.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
ME TOO!!!
I cannot believe that anyone would want Gomez to start!
Why?
Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
Gomez has PROVEN he sucks (offensively)
Give Dickerson the same chance. if he sucks, oh well, at least you tried.
I honestly think that Gomez should be spending time in the Minors working on his hitting.
Or at least his patience FFS.
He’s so damn frustrating. He has a world of talent put just can’t put it together.
PLEEEEEASE make Dickerson the starter!!!
For your health!
Buddy:
deep breath.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
by Rubie Q on Dec 20, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't tak any more of Gomez' ineptitude
Hopefully if he does start, Roenecke will figure out some way to use his skill set more effectively.
That’s as optimistic as I can get about Carlos #@&!*# Gomez.
For your health!
We're going to need his defense, though.
He’s probably the best defender we have left.
Do like I do: turn off the radio/TV when he comes up to bat, wait 45 seconds (his ABs rarely last longer), then resume the broadcast.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
Dickerson is a fine defender
With our pitching staff I don’t think we need to have an absolutely elite defender in Center.
Look at old man Edmonds last year. He did fine and he’s what… 97?
Gomez is a very god defender but he is an offensive liability.
Dickerson needs to be given the chance to start.
Just my opinion.
For your health!
Won't it work itself out next season?
I assume they’ll play the best guy, no reason to think otherwise or get upset right now.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 20, 2010 12:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
excuse me while I chortle
brewers play the best player available? what team have you been watching?
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 20, 2010 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
When haven't they done that?
I’m not talking individual games, we could all quibble the lineup every day, I can’t come up with many times where they played the wrong player for an extended period of time.
Cain/Edmonds took over for Gomez last year, Lucroy for Kottaras, McGehee played his way into the lineup, Hart was benched when he was struggling, Axford took over for Hoffman, Riske was cut to make room for younger options…etc.
You could probably point to the Hardy fiasco, but that was done to give him more trade value (ha).
Get a ife broseph
Gomez was left in there too long
Gamel’s never been given a shot
Counsell gets starts
Suppan was in the rotation
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 20, 2010 2:19 PM CST up reply actions
Don't think those are good examples
Counsell was signed to be the backup at 3b/SS/2B and only had 35 starts last year. I think you might argue he didn’t play enough to give Weeks, Escobar or McGehee more days off.
Gomez had 66 starts last year. Until Cain was ready for MLB, there weren’t any other options on the roster that could take more starts from him.
Suppan had 2 starts last year. There were hardly any other options in 2009 to take starts from him.
I disagree on Gamel, but that’s a much longer argument that we’ve had numerous times on this blog.
I think your issue is with how the roster was put together (especially since you’ve included Counsell). That is a different issue – I’m arguing once the 25 man roster is set, the better guys get more of the playing time.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 20, 2010 2:27 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the issue w/ Counsell
was when he was getting starts over Esky and Hardy in the fall of 2009.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
The real issue with Counsell was him getting starts over Branyan at 3rd in 2008
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Then who am I thinking of?
Hmmm. Nevermind, I’m clearly confuzzed.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
Dickerson
Isn’t too shabby himself on the defensive end. If it was a choice between a guy with offensive skill but questionable defense and Gomez I think many around here would be ok with Gomez’s black hole offense.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 20, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Dickerson actually has a better UZR than Gomez.
Chris Dickerson for CF '11!
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 20, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
He has a better UZR/150, yes.
Based on 180 total plays in his career. Gomez has 753.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
Dammit, how the hell did I get roped into defending Gomez?
Where’s SRB when you need him? I don’t want this job.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
by Rubie Q on Dec 20, 2010 12:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I just hope they let one be the starter, rather than randomly splitting time
I don’t know what to expect from Dickerson. His numbers in CF are impressive, but in a limited sample, and his numbers in LF/RF are merely solid to below average. He had excellent offensive numbers in ‘08 and ’09, but that may have been due to a .410 and .360 BABIP (then again, he maintained a really high BABIP in the minors too). He’s also 29 and probably not getting better at this point.
Gomez has the upside and was much better last year.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I think that shows well enough that, with his much better hitting skills, he would be more valuable than Gomez over the season.
Chris Dickerson for CF '11!
Right, but large enough to show he is an above-average defender, I think.
Maybe not as good as Gomez, but his offense will more than make up for that.
Chris Dickerson for CF '11!
Didn't he retire 20 years ago?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Dec 20, 2010 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
82 total plays, 42 games started in center field
As much as I’d like to think he’s as good as Gomez in center, this would be like pointing to approximately 60 major league at-bats and saying a player is an above-average hitter. It’s quite dangerous. Since he’s been above-average in the outfield overall, I think it’s safe to say he’s an above average outfield defender, but remember that Gomez is one of the best in the majors.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Dec 20, 2010 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well
He’s got a career .286 wOBA against left-handed pitching. That number is .347 against RHP.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 20, 2010 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
you can see my ramblings on grienke in the fantasy football review
I’m always interested in history, so thank you Kyle for mentioning Merkle in the birthdays. He was the original buckner. He was celebrating an apparent walk-off hit that cost the New York Giants a game in the 1908 pennant race. The giants missed the pennant by a game or 2. I highly recommend any book you can find on that race, it’s pretty interesting.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Dec 20, 2010 11:23 AM CST via mobile reply actions
also with a birthday over the weekend
Fred Thomas
Born in Milwaukee, died in Rice Lake, WI
didn’t play for a WI team though.
Former Brewers
I guess we get to see Hall in the opposing dugout alot more this season… let’s see how he does against Greinke, Gallardo and Marcum.
Congrats to McClung on getting another shot in baseball. Guess his blog over at OnMilwaukee.com is pretty much done.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Still can't believe it
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
I love how the Brewers aquired Greinke
and yet, the D-List (local radio show here) is still talking about the Packers…expected but sigh…
I was disappointed with the lack of hookers but the pancakes were delightful
by Michael M on Dec 20, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I love the Packers
But yesterday was unquestionably a Brewers day. Today, too.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 20, 2010 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Packers talk gets a little ridisculous.
I don’t know where everyone is at but I’m in Appleton and it’s ridiculous how much Packers talk dominates the radio here. You can’t find Brewer or even baseball news if you want to unless it’s during the season.
Meanwhile they talk about the Packers year round.
It gets a little old.
For your health!
by menchkins on Dec 20, 2010 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the updates on the battle for the fifth-string guard spot in training camp
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Appleton area here, too
and I’m glad the appleton/GB sports-talk guys don’t talk about the brewers much, because nearly all of them are morons. I’d rather listen to them debate about the fifth string guard spot, than hear them wonder who Shawn Marcus is, and debate whether he’ll really be any better than Suppan was. I just end up yelling at the radio.
And then trying to find the D-List or Homer through the static.
I'm in Texas
So no, not much Packers or Brewers talk here. Lots of Longhorns, with a generous side of Cowboys.
The Packers blogosphere can be a bit grating, though.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 20, 2010 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
try living in Dallas
The Rangers clinched, and the lead story was about the cowboys kicking game. Talk about dumb priorities…
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Dec 20, 2010 9:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
seconded
I live in Neenah, and I totally agree with you. It does not help that we get sports radio from Green Bay.
I'm actually in Neenah as well.
Just used Appleton since I figured more people would know where it is = )
For your health!
This is why I can't stand football.
My goodness.
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 21, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
I can tolerate football but it is tedious
They talk about it all year long.
Even if there’s no NFL season next year they’ll just talk about that all year long.
The sport I hate is basketball but at least I don’t have to hear about it much.
For your health!
It's why I stopped watching football for a few years.
Now that I don’t read the JS for my sports news, I like it again.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 21, 2010 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
I bet Kevin Youkilis doesn't work either
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
nope...that shouldn't be a problem
but it was someone like O’Keefe that was the first problem. An apostrophe in a URL? really? shame on you BR
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 20, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
You're the one writing an algorithm for a chance to win a 1/16 shot at a free t-shirt
But they’re the ones deserving of shame? Something seems amiss here. :-)
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 20, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Hm, I was referring to the fact Youkilis doesn't follow the same pattern as the rest of the URLs
Guess your program wasn’t fooled.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
true
but it just looks for a bunch of letters (or punctuation) and two digits.
are there any players with umlauts (or accents) in their names, particularly first letters?
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 20, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Surhoff? Why?
I pull out last names so that’s not a big deal. It’s guys like George Pierce http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pearcge01.shtml
that got my algorithm all ticked off.
Minecraft is like digital Legos. I like digital things and I like Legos. I am now addicted to Minecraft.
surhoff is like surhob.01.shtml
that dot is evil. why not bj01? or figure out if his name is bruce or something?
but yeah, I can see pearce/pierce being annoying
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 20, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Witrado with some good nuggets in Greinke interview
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/brewers.html
It sounds like the Brewers didn’t have a chance to land Greinke until the last two weeks, anyway. A little bit of luck and a little bit of savvy = Melvin’s best offseason ever.
I like Jeff Sackman’s post especially and anyone that skimmed over the bullet points should take time to click that link. The 2012 Brewers are looking good, too.
With Fielder’s salary off the books in 2012, the Brewers can afford to keep Weeks and finally have a place to move Gamel’s major-league-min salary up to the majors. After that, they’ll have a little money to throw around to find an improvement at SS and/or CF in 2012. They don’t have to replace Fielder, they have to replace Fielder’s production. That’s a lot easier. Moneyball at its finest.
Minecraft is like digital Legos. I like digital things and I like Legos. I am now addicted to Minecraft.
Witrado...good nuggets...
Does not compute.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 20, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions
best
"I know (Yovani) Gallardo struck me out before," Greinke said, "so he must be pretty good."
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 20, 2010 12:36 PM CST up reply actions 7 recs
I already love Greinke
I love how he talks about his hitting like he’s Lou Gehrig or something.
Awesome, just awesome.
Can’t wait to see what he brings to the team!
For your health!
Bill Wegman was awesome
so happy birthday to him!
Not Zack Greinkanakis awesome, but awesome nontheless.
In the minority
I don’t know if it has already been said by anyone else, but this trade is the opposite of the Richie Sexson deal.
by Saberilliterate on Dec 20, 2010 12:37 PM CST reply actions
The Sexson deal was a good one. I can’t imagine how horrid those years would have been without the players we netted.
by Braunstalker on Dec 20, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
We are Arizona giving up more than we can afford to
by Saberilliterate on Dec 20, 2010 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Don't see the comparison
1. Sexson only had one year on his deal left, Greinke has 2
2. The players Arizona gave up weren’t anything special. Just did a quick look and the players from Arizona had a total of 17.4 WAR in their Brewer careers (8.1 of them coming from Cappy). If the players the Brewers gave up total 17.4 WAR for the Royals, I think that would qualify as a huge success from the Brewers perspective.
I didn’t include Bush or Gross in the calculations, nor assign any value to the draft picks the d-backs got for Sexson. Plus, Arizona won 90 games 3 years after the Brewer trade, hard to say it hurt them long term.
Get a ife broseph
Sexson had exactly two good years after we traded him
2005/2006, both with Seattle, and those were not years the Brewers were close to contending. After that he was awful.
Anyone know what The Ueck thinks?
Sort of surprising I have not seen any comments by Mr. Front Row.
On a Mission from God!
He's probably got more important things going on...
like recuperating after his second heart surgery.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Melvin did an interview on xm today.
He said that he “made mistakes” signing free agent pitchers in the past. He went after pitchers in trade so he wouldn’t do it again. I found in interesting that he’s learning from his mistakes. Casey also did an interview and said they all are excited for 2011, and they expect to be contenders.
by Mr. McGehee on Dec 20, 2010 1:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Paying more than you can afford to in trades is just as bad as paying more than you can afford to in free agency. I think that he hasn’t learned from his mistakes… just found a new way to make them.
by Saberilliterate on Dec 20, 2010 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
But the difference is (should be) production
Over-paid for free agent pitchers and they didnt produce, if he over-paid for Grienke/Marcum (debateable) they should at least produce
BCB: Pointless Exercises in Devils Advocacy
by Jeo on Dec 20, 2010 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
true
also, what if there IS a good FA to sign? will he just pass on that means of obtaining players entirely? Just wait until someone picks up a player via FA and then dougie trades for him right away.
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 20, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Of course there are occasional exceptions
but most free agent pitchers that fall into the Brewers’ price range (less than $60 million, let’s say) end up meeting most of the following criteria:
1) 32+ years old
2) Non-elite talent
3) Potential history of injury
4) Previous team opted not to seriously pursue an extension.
If Melvin passed on every single one of those guys, I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 20, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Smart move by Melvin
Passing on any free agent relievers and giving the younger players a chance is progress too.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Melvin's take on Yuni Betancourt, on the D-List today:
He’s a major league shortstop. I think the numbers people don’t like him. He doesn’t get on base. So that’s a reason, I guess, not to like the guy.
Baby steps, and all.
I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.
by Rubie Q on Dec 20, 2010 3:24 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
A late add-on pic to last Thursday's Fielder weight discussion...
Press pic from a visit to a sumo stable last Friday…avert your gaze now if half-naked men are liable to cause you ocular damage:

For comparison, the guy next to him is ozeki (champion-grade) Kaio who clocks at 6’1" and about 380 lbs.
I don't know...
it doesn’t look like he’s lost that much weight, but it’s hard to tell. Let’s see how he looks in spring training.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
This must be your dream combination of sports right there
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I dunno about that...
It’s actually always a bit jarring to see a non-wrestler in a sumo wrestler’s getup (a bit less so if it’s at least somebody who practices another martial art). I’m not sure I would have posted the picture if Prince had decided to skip the pants…
This picture is fantastic.
Why is Kaio only wearing one sock? How come they let Prince wear compression shorts? So many questions.
THwitter Brewers sign SS Edwin Maysonet to minor league contract
It sounds like Maysonet has become a superutility man. Based on the current roster, he may find a home on Milwaukee’s bench.
He’s been just good enough for the Astros to hang on to him, but never good enough to make it to the major league club. I’ll admit I know little about Luiz Cruz, but with the current 40-man, there might be a bench role competition between Cruz and Maysonet in Spring Training. That would also give the Brewers another option at SS when Roenicke has had enough of Yuni’s terribleness.
Minecraft is like digital Legos. I like digital things and I like Legos. I am now addicted to Minecraft.
I don't know, but he is Puerto Rican
…not being flippant here, with all the controversy about Cruz’s comments, it is possible that there can be unconscious racism with personnel decisions going on at the same time that Cruz just happens to be an epically awful player. Or it just may be that the Brewers’ Latin American scouting has historically been not a priority and most of the non-US Latino players the team acquires come in via trade or minor league free agency.
Right. But it will never die.
Why do you think they traded Escobar? huh? HUH?
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a British gin
I’ll take a Betancourt and tonic.
Celebrating the addition of Greinke and mourning the loss of my man crush Cain









































