What's Left Down on the Farm
On Monday I paid a little visit to Friday’s at Miller Park. But before I walked in I stopped at the Fanzone. The first thing you see as you walk in are two new Brewers jerseys: Shaun Marcum and Zack Greinke. As I looked at them, I couldn’t stop smiling. Zack Greinke is a Brewer, and that is really, really exciting.
As fun as it is to think of how much better our rotation will be next year, it came at a steep price. Our farm system, which was pretty blah to begin with, was robbed of the majority of our top prospects this offseason. With the trades for Marcum and Greinke, the Crew traded away 4 of their top 10 prospects (according to the Brewerfan.net Power 50), and then some. Today, we’re here to look at what’s left.
Follow the jump for a little bit on some of our new top prospects.
Let’s start with the position once occupied by Lorenzo Cain. It was fun to watch Lo-Cain run down fly balls last season, and I’m sad to see him go, but I’m not too worried about the future of CF with the Crew. The Brewers last two minor league players of the year, Logan Schafer in 2009 and Erik Komatsu in 2010, will both be vying for the title of "centerfielder of the future" next season. Both had breakout seasons in Brevard Co. and both have struggled with injuries. They’re similar players, however Komatsu has a clear advantage in OBP and base running. Both seem like they will be solid regulars at the major league level,* much like Lorenzo Cain was said to be.
Moving to the OF corners we have a few interesting prospects. 2009 supplemental first round pick Kentrail Davis struggled a little in Brevard Co. last season, but blossomed in for the Timber Rattlers. Manning the other corner in Wisconsin was Khris Davis, who set a new Rattler record with 22 homers last season, and had a nice slash line of .280/.398/.499. Caleb Gindl had his first rough season in 2010, but still had a decent line of .272/.352/.406. Although with the departure of Cain, we could see Gindl moving over to CF next season in Nashville. I’m not going to worry too much about the corner OF spots because those are pretty much set at the major league level for the next few years.
Our infield situation is looking pretty bleak at the moment. The departure of Brett Lawrie cleared the path for Eric Farris and Scooter Gennett. Farris may be strong defensively and swipe a lot of bases, but many doubt his ability to hit at the major league level. Tiny Gennett isn‘t as strong defensively as Farris, but its hard to argue with the offensive season he had this year: .309/.354/.463. Some other interesting IF prospects to keep an eye on next year include 3B Cutter Dykstra, first basemen Hunter Morris and Cody Hawn, and catchers Cameron Garfield and Tyler Roberts.
Despite the departure of Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress, pitching remains a strong point in the Brewers system. We’ve still got guys like Mark Rogers, Amaury Rivas, Wily Peralta, Cody Scarpetta, and Kyle Heckathorn. However, scouts aren’t very high on any of our pitching prospects. Heckathorn probably has the highest ceiling out of the aforementioned pitchers, and most scouts see him as no more than a number three starter or a reliever. I however would recommend keeping an eye on Scarpetta, as he made a slight mechanical adjustment towards the end of last season that helped him to dramatically cut down on his walks. He also been on the 40-man roster for the past two seasons, so his minor league options are running out.
Before the trades for Marcum and Greinke, the Crew really only had two front-line prospects (Lawrie and Odorizzi) and a bunch of others that were solid yet unspectacular. Well, now we’ve only got the latter. But its not all doom-and-gloom, gang. Most of the prospects mentioned could probably be solid regulars at the major league level. And despite the losses of Lawrie and Odorizzi, the Crew‘s system is in pretty much the same situation it was before- short on elite prospects. Let's hope that over the next couple years we can restock our system with our extra draft picks.
Note: I am not a scout, so I could be totally wrong here.
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don't worry about not being a scout
they’re wrong all the time. See eric arnett and brant brewer as prime examples
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Brant Brewer?
Is he the guy the Brewers meant to take when they selected Brent?
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Or Brant Brown and Brent Brewer
One of them actually helped the team win a game.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Gennett is criminally underrated
People were calling him one of the best pure hitters coming into the 2009 draft and saying that he might go in the first two rounds. I’m not sure how he fell to the 16th round (does anyone remember?) but all he has done is hit ever since, while still playing defense well enough to stay at 2B. Who cares about his size.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Dec 22, 2010 4:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Look at guys like Mike Fontenot who has turned into a pretty solid major leaguer. If you want a great example then look at Eric Young, he had a great career all things considered.
Come on
You can’t compare Scooter to Eric Young. That’s absurd. Scrappy white guys can only be compared to other scrappy white guys.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 22, 2010 9:38 PM CST up reply actions
Both Fontenot and Young are much bigger than Gennett.
I’m not saying his lack of size disqualify him from playing in the majors, but I can’t think of an MLB regular that’s as small as he is.
B-Ref lists him at 164 lbs, but I’d have to see him step on a scale to believe he’s much over 150. And his frame is so small that I have a hard time believing he’d be able to add much muscle without sacrificing speed.
Now, he could be a viable major leaguer even if he doesn’t add much strength. He’s got some clear talent. But he’s also got a pretty big obstacle to overcome.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
when i was 12
I knew of fellow little leaguers that could hit the ball over the fence.
not that I could do it.
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 23, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
I weigh 150 pounds
And I hit the ball over the fence once.
OK, it was a softball field … and a foul ball … but you know.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 23, 2010 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
David Eckstein is listed at 5'7" and 175 lbs.
Which is fairly similar.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 23, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
If Albie Pearson could do it 50 years ago, Scooter can do it today
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Sounds like a couple things went against him in the draft...
Found this blurb on SportsBubbler which referenced BrewerFan.net:
“As a left-handed hitter Gennett is one of the best pure hitters with one of the better approaches of any prep player eligible for the 2009 draft. He doesn’t have the greatest size, and may not have the range to stick at shortstop, but he is an athletic player that has very good speed as well as a very strong arm. He handles himself very well at second base, and third base could also be an option given his offensive potential and arm strength. Gennett’s pitch recognition is uncommon for a high school senior, as he exhibits an incredibly polished approach at the plate. He has very good bat speed and can turn on the best of fastballs, and he performed well on the showcase circuit during the summer of 2008, including his participation in the Aflac All-American Classic. Despite his smaller frame, he has good power potential, and should hit plenty of doubles and triples as well. He had somewhat of a down senior year, which caused scouts to wonder if he may be better off going to college. If he does take his talents to Florida State we may be talking about him as a first-rounder for the 2012 draft. "
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Brewers may have gotten a steal
I wonder what his reputation as a prospect would be right now with the exact same stats and skill-set, but if had he gone in the first or second rounds.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I love that that blurb
Was written pre-summer 2010 and has the phrase “take his talents to Florida State.”
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 22, 2010 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I must have missed
his televised press conference with Jim Gray
Celebrating the addition of Greinke and mourning the loss of my man crush Cain
Too much thought on body size.
That’s what scouts said about Lincecum. Same thing about Thormberg, if he’s bigger, he goes in the first round imo. Look at what Ben Oglivie did in his career(6’2" 160).
by Mr. McGehee on Dec 23, 2010 9:03 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Scarpetta (from March 2009)
Cody Scarpetta | RHP | Helena (Rookie) | Age – 19 | Drafted – Round 11, 2007
Scarpetta is a big pitcher with a durable frame. His fastball is clocked between 92 – 94 mph with a lot of natural movement that he’ll have some difficulty getting a handle on. The pitch has a sneaky quality to it. His curveball is of the power variety, coming in between the mid – upper 70′s with a lot of bite. Consistency can be an issue, but the pitch flashes plus potential. Scarpetta also has a change-up that is still in development.
Scarpetta is one of the highest upside players in the Brewers’ system. The sample size is small, but he overwhelmed the AZL and Pioneer League during his short stint. Scarpetta looks to attack the strike zone, but will struggle with his command at times because of an inconsistent release point. In addition to missing bats, Scarpetta has the ability to induce ground balls.
He’s a guy that could move quickly through the Brewers farm system especially if he can harness the command of his fastball.
Grade – C+
ETA – 2012
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Heckathorn
School: Kennesaw State
Drafted: 47th overall in 2009 by the Milwaukee Brewers
Scouting Report: Heckathorn has a great arm with two good pitches, despite issues with his arm action and athleticism. He works primarily with a 91-93 mph fastball that will touch 95 and a hard mid-80s slider up to 87 with good tilt. He has a great body for a 200-inning starter at 6-foot-6, 240 pounds, but isn’t a great athlete. His command and control are both below average, and unlikely to improve much unless someone cleans up his arm action. His delivery gets some tough reviews from scouts. He separates his hands high, but after that it’s rough: his elbow is way up, he shows the ball to the center fielder, he rushes his arm through the motions to get to release, he doesn’t utilize his lower half well, and he has recoil at the finish. Because of his arm strength he’ll go in the top two rounds, but delivery and command issues make him much more likely to reach the majors as a reliever.
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
Peralta
Couldn’t find much on him except this…
Wily Peralta | RHP | Grade – B- – High upside pitch with excellent stuff, but questionable control…could end up in the bullpen
Which was followed by this…
Cody Scarpetta | RHP | Grade – B- – Similar to Peralta, but with slightly worse command…could also end up in the bullpen
Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.
More reason for optimism?
2.96 FIP, 10.0 K/9, .324 BABIP (A+, 21 years old) = Cody Scarpetta, 2010
2.71 FIP, 10.1 K/9, .288 BABIP (A, 20 years old) = Jake Odorizzi, 2010
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
So does a high BABIP mean that the pitcher was unlucky?(or unluckier than the other pitcher in comparison?)
by ilikeburritos on Dec 22, 2010 5:17 PM CST up reply actions
In theory, yeah.
Over time BABIP should tend toward .300, so anything above that means he was unlucky in a given year, and anything below that means he was lucky.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
If you're looking for a pitcher who in the MLB who sucks without luck factored into it,
look no further than Jeff Suppan. He might have done okay once he returned to St. Louis, but still was well below average
by ilikeburritos on Dec 22, 2010 5:31 PM CST up reply actions
If you have an absolutely fat, meatball of a pitch, then it should be easy for a major leaguer to put it where he wants it.
That pitcher could sustain a high BABIP without being unlucky.
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Manny Parra's career BABIP is a cool .350
and .352 as a starter.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 22, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
And he has a putrid fastball. It's straight as an arrow.
Maybe that’s why he gets so “unlucky”
http://www.mlbsoup.com
Yup
“The Curious Case of Manny Parra”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 22, 2010 6:13 PM CST up reply actions
The prospect "experts" are right. We're pretty much doomed a few years from now.
Look at these scrubs that were in the bottom-two ranked systems in 2005 or 2006: Adam Wainwright, Curtis Granderson, Justin Verlander, Joel Zumaya, Homer Bailey, Jay Bruce, Travis Wood, Joey Votto.
Dear God, NO!
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
There will be no "few years from now"
/2012
http://www.mlbsoup.com
by tcyoung on Dec 22, 2010 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Hardball Times review of our farm
Well, I say “farm”. In reality it is not so much a fully-functioning agricultural behemoth of a farm, more a small patch of mud where a couple of emaciated chickens peck desperately in search of some loose seeds of corn that just might be floating in the stagnant muck…
Here it is anyway: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/fantasy/article/2011-top-10-prospects-washington-nationals-and-milwaukee-brewers/
Ready and able to turn any discussion into one about Russell Oles Branyan...
by MrLeam on Dec 23, 2010 6:52 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I thought dykstra was released
i guess I was wrong?
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 23, 2010 7:49 AM CST up reply actions
Dykstra
Thought this too after watching him play for the T-Rats the year before last….went from starter to no longer there…possibly got sent to Helena?
He did get sent to Helena in 2009
But came back up to Appleton in 2010 as a full-time starter, mostly at 3B. OBP’d .416 for them, actually.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 23, 2010 9:36 AM CST up reply actions
Dykstra also left the team in 2009 for a while with family issues.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Scarpetta
I’m glad the number of options running out was mentioned, I think it will have an impact on the role the Brewers plan for him. The THT link from MrLeam says Scarpetta may eventually be moved to the bullpen but given his dwindling options, I think, if true, that will be sooner rather than later. Maybe he has a really good 2011 in the Huntsville rotation and it’s a moot point.
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Didn't Scarpetta gain an extra option?
How many has he used so far? Link
A player may be eligible for a fourth option year if he has been optioned in three seasons but does not yet have five full seasons of professional experience. A full season is defined as being on an active pro roster for at least 90 days in a season. (If a player is put on the disabled list after earning 60 or more days of service in a single season, his time on the DL is counted.) The 90-day requirement means short-season leagues (New-York Penn, Northwest, Pioneer, Appalachian, Gulf Coast, Arizona Rookie, Dominican and Venezuelan Summer Leagues) do not count as full seasons for the purposes of determining eligibility for a fourth option.
If I had to guess I would say we can leave him in the minors for 2 more years.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

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