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Some things to read while Kenny Loggins ruins Christmas.

I took a day off and missed two additions to the 40-man roster: The Brewers have signed reliever Sean Green to a one year, non-guaranteed deal that could be worth $875,000 (FanShot) and claimed reliever Roque Mercedes off waivers from the Diamondbacks (FanShot).

Let's start with Green: He's a former Met and Mariner with a career 4.36 ERA in 250 relief appearances. He pitched in 11 games for the Mets last year, missing most of the season with a ribcage injury. He's 31 years old and has 196 strikeouts and 127 walks in 258 career innings.

Mercedes, meanwhile, is coming back to the Brewer organization after being traded as part of the Felipe Lopez deal in 2009. He's 24 and pitched in relief in AA Mobile last season, posting a 4.36 ERA with 45 strikeouts and 24 walks in 53.2 innings.

With Craig Counsell, Green and Mercedes, the Brewers now have 39 players on their 40-man roster.

We've got some great Zack Greinke-related stuff today:

If you didn't already know, having Zack Greinke in Milwaukee is going to be fun. The Kansas City Star has a collection of some of Greinke's most notable quotes from his time with the Royals. No, the burrito quote isn't included but yes, I've heard it. (h/t Rob Neyer) Dick Kaegel of MLB.com also has a great profile. (h/t McCalvy)

So the Brewers are 2011 playoff contenders with three 2010 Opening Day starters in their rotation, and they have Ryan Braun and Yovani Gallardo locked up long term. Would you rather have that, or the Royals' loaded farm system with virtually no hope of contending in 2011? Amazingly, roughly 75% of Royals Review readers say they prefer the latter.

I'm guessing that post is a candidate to be added to Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar's list of Brewer Festivus Grievances.

Yuniesky Betancourt is also a prime candidate for most grievance lists. Here's the stuff people are saying about him today:

Carlos Gomez is also a featured target, but Toby Harrmann of Brewerfan.net says maybe it's not as bad as some of us think. Adam McCalvy noted that Gomez could earn an extra $100,000 by making 525 plate appearances in 2011. He made 318 last season.

If you'd like less "airing of grievances" and more "heart warming," I'd strongly recommend this week's installment of The Offseason.

Elsewhere in the minors:

  • Baseball Prospectus ranked the Brewers' top 20 prospects, and lists Mark Rogers #1.
  • The Hardball Times unveiled their Brewer top ten, and Rogers is also #1 there.
  • Diamond Futures ranked the Brewer farm system as baseball's 29th best, and lists Caleb Gindl as the organization's #1 prospect.

Finally, here's some good news: Adam McCalvy talked to Bob Uecker about his rough 2010 and learned that, while Uecker is passing on his normal holiday trip to Wisconsin, he still expects to be back at full speed by spring training.

Looking for something to do this afternoon? John Axford is chatting with fans at Brewers.com.

Any BCB'ers in the Orlando area? Jonathan Lucroy is holding an autograph signing on Sunday to benefit his high school's athletic department.

Around baseball:

Astros: Signed pitcher Gustavo Chacin to a minor league deal.
Blue Jays: Signed outfielder Corey Patterson to a minor league deal.
Dodgers: Designated pitcher Brent Leach for assignment.
Nationals: Signed reliever Sean Burnett to a two year, $3.7 million deal, avoiding arbitration.
Padres: Acquired catcher Rob Johnson from the Mariners for a PTBNL or cash.
Pirates: Designated pitcher Joe Martinez for assignment.
Red Sox: Designated infielder Brent Dlugach for assignment.

Here are a couple of interesting baseball economics notes:

  • The Biz of Baseball notes that revenue sharing in 2010 totaled $404 million, down from $433 million last year.
  • Beyond the Box Score considers the case of twelve starting pitchers who signed one year deals last offseason and finds that three did well, four didn't do as well and five were disasters. Doug Davis falls into the last category.

Here's today's former Brewer notes:

This isn't what "season of giving" is supposed to mean: Apparently Chipper Jones is spending part of his offseason dry-heaving on his neighbor's lawn.

There won't be a Thursday Thinker this week (it got bumped to Tuesday), but here's a Sporcle quiz to fill the gap if needed: I was able to name 157 of the All Star starters since 2000. (h/t Lone Star Ball)

On this day in 2000, the Brewers signed outfielder Jeffrey Hammonds to a three year deal. Hammonds would go on to appear in just 187 games as a Brewer, hitting .248/.321/.398. Baseball Reference estimates his total value for the three seasons at 0.1 WAR.

With help from the B-Ref Play Index, happy birthday to:

Also, on Tuesday I missed the birthday of 1958-60 Milwaukee Brave Bob Rush, who turned 85.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm not done with this doorstop (h/t Aaron Gleeman).

Drink up.

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I wholeheartedly endorse a Counsell-Betancourt Platoon. Probably best case scenario.

Just read a tweet from Bernie’s Crew pointing out that Luis Cruz was voted best defensive shortstop in AAA. Could mean we only have to suffer for one year of Yuniesky.

by Nicole Haase on Dec 23, 2010 11:20 AM CST reply actions  

I think I’m just about completely on the Luis Cruz for starting shortstop bandwagon. If he is a very good defensive SS then I’m willing to give up a bit of offense for him. He is tearing up winter ball and his offensive projections don’t look that much worse than Betancourt’s (just less power).

He’s not really a prospect and doesn’t need anymore minor leagues seasoning. He’s 26 and he’s not going to get much better by spending another year in the minors.

by grant76 on Dec 23, 2010 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Based on his ZiPS projected .291 wOBA, he would need an UZR/150 of around 9.0 to be worth 2 WAR over 162 games. I don’t know what to expect from him defensively, but he’s experienced and if he has such a good reputation maybe he could pull that off. Either way, he’s probably better than Betancourt.

Counsell should get as many starts as he can handle though, he looks like the best option in the system right now.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 23, 2010 3:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not high on anyone that complains that the man is keeping them down

unless they have proof of that.

basically, it speaks to a poor work ethic to me. Trying to blame others for your inadequacies.

by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 23, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Eh, I don't really care as long as he plays decent baseball.

I just found this article from Jeff Sackmann that pegs Cruz as one of the best defensive SS in the minors according to Total Zone, with a +10 RAA mid-2010 and a +18 RAA a couple season ago. As a comparison, Alcides Escobar’s career best is something like +22 RAA (iirc). If Cruz can translate most of that defense into the majors, he could be an above-average major leaguer enxt season.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 23, 2010 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he would have to hit at least a little bit to even be average

Hal Lanier wasn’t above average. I don’t think Cruz would hit much better.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Dec 24, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions  

ZiPS projects a .291 wOBA

With plus plus defense, that’s an average to above-average player.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 24, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

You mean like Escobar translated his minor league defense to the majors.

Oh, wait. I am very leery of minor league defense scouting after Escobar. He was supposed to bring better than average to league best defense with him right away.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Dec 25, 2010 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Best Greinke Quote

From the Dick Kaegel article linked above -

“I just wanted to make this clear: I can’t live without baseball. Up till this last offseason, I couldn’t go a day without playing it,” he said. “It’s to the point where it caused problems with my girlfriend [Emily] because she knows baseball is more important than her. I say, ‘Hey, I’m sorry. I love the game that much. You’re not even close to being No. 1 — that’s how much I love baseball. I couldn’t live without it.’”

I love that attitude. And he is not afraid to tell that to his wife.

by Saberilliterate on Dec 23, 2010 11:21 AM CST reply actions  

Question about former prospect Brad Nelson.

Wasn’t he our #1 prospect at one point? Or was he the #1 infield prospect. I’m not all doom and gloom on the farm, my evidence is to look at former top prospects. Escobar, Gamel, LaPorta, etc. I think Melvin sees the undervalued players getting recognized to their potential this year. I think our farm system will be back to it’s previous value by 2012. Only downside is that it would have been an excellent system with Lawrie and Odorizzi still in it.

by Mr. McGehee on Dec 23, 2010 11:25 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

Can't remember where Nelson was ranked

I thought he was fairly high though.

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 23, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he was #1

The year before they drafted Prince. Per this article

by SgtClueLs on Dec 23, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Brad Nelson was #1 in 2003

You can see the previous #1 Prospects on the sidebar on any more current Baseball America top 10 list. It looks like they only have the lists back to 2004 available on their website, at least as far as I could find.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 23, 2010 3:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Searching for it I also linked through to this USA Today list of the league’s #1 prospects (after Prince Fielder bumped Nelson off 1B and took over as #1). Our good friend Chris Narveson is there as the Cardinals’ #1 prospect.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 23, 2010 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

lists of that nature are why I'm not sold on most prospects

Injuries happen, promise is not fulfilled. that list is better than a lot I’ve seen, at least a plurality of those players actually did have some MLB playing time and most of those were actually somewhat successful. I hadn’t realized before this post that Narveson was actually highly regarded at one point. I forgot he was a 2nd round pick.

by morineko on Dec 23, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

This

You never know who’s going to turn into a productive player.
See: Piazza, Mike

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 24, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions  

wow, this got 3 recs despite the bad math.

Must’ve been a slow morning for all of us.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Dec 23, 2010 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

"The bad math?"

If four people voted and three of them were Royals fans, then that’s 75%.

Now that's great tasting chicken!

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 24, 2010 6:34 AM CST up reply actions  

But you needed 4 total people to vote to obtain 3/4.

I did the math right, but my mind was focusing on the 3, when I meant to say 4.

It still works, but it was definitely a typo on my part.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Dec 24, 2010 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

How are the Weeks negotiations going?

don't forget to brush your teeth.

by Drew C on Dec 23, 2010 11:31 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

they're going great

I’m close to inking him on a deal

by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 23, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

We need to extend him.

don't forget to brush your teeth.

by Drew C on Dec 23, 2010 7:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

That's what

Deana Favre said.

Celebrating the addition of Greinke and mourning the loss of my man crush Cain

by molitorfan on Dec 24, 2010 12:13 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Royals Review article

Thanks Kyle for writing more comprehensibly than your peers.

by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 23, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions  

however

the question is “Which would you rather be a fan of” which some could read as “which team are you a fan of”, so it’s not really telling. The question should be more along the lines of “would you like to be in the playoff mix this year and possibly next year (and no farm), or would you rather have one of the top farm systems in MLB (with no chance for a few years)”

by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 23, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd rather be a Brewers fan right now.

But in 2-3 years, I think I might be wishing I was a Royals fan.

by Noah Jarosh on Dec 23, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

The Royals have some of our best future players in addition to their own already stacked system.

If we can get a couple extensions the Brewers are still going to look pretty good in 2-3 years.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Dec 25, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions  

If Joe Nelson was ever ranked highly then

that tells you how much of a crapshoot “potential” is.

by jmeks23 on Dec 23, 2010 11:50 AM CST reply actions  

My point exactly

A top prospect is supposed to make an impact at the MLB level and none of ours have. I think if Cruz played SS instead of Escobar last year, it is about even. People said Melvin was dumb to trade LaPorta, that worked out well for us so far. However, I don’t want to get away from my point that the farm is just undervalued. Scooter, Heckathorn, Morris, Gindl, Scarpetta, Farris, Thornberg, and Rivas are all solid players with loads of potential. With the players we have for long term, plus the potential to sign rickie, marcum, and very possibly greinke long term, this team could contend for the next 4 years. This is also not counting the two first round picks this year and the pick when Prince leaves.

by Mr. McGehee on Dec 23, 2010 12:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

True

It’s just generally an offense-heavy position and I know the Royals have at least 2 good first base prospects.

Plus we’re going to need a first baseman unless Gamel can do it or we can shift people around successfully.

For your health!

by menchkins on Dec 25, 2010 3:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I got 158 on the sporcle game.

I was impressed that I got all of 2004. I also can’t believe that Scrappy White was a starter on an all-star team.

by Noah Jarosh on Dec 23, 2010 12:07 PM CST reply actions  

165.

And missed a head slapper.

I’m not smart enough to look at the other stuff and do anything but drool and mumble.

by Rubie Q on Dec 23, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

174

Didn’t miss any I’m too upset about.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Dec 24, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

I like the way the Brewers are building

I am a Mets fam and signed up to chat because you have an exciting off season so far. so far I see the brewers as the most improved team because of Greinke and Marcum

Any task BIG or small, Do it well or not at all

by Rickfansince76 on Dec 23, 2010 3:38 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks!

Want to trade us Jose Reyes for Yuniesky Betancourt? :)

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 23, 2010 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Just sign him after the 2011 season

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 23, 2010 9:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

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