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Some things to read while leaving the kids at home.

The non-tender deadline has come and gone, and the Brewers will be moving on without the services of Todd Coffey and Joe Inglett. (FanShot) They did tender 2011 contracts to Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, Carlos Gomez, Manny Parra, Kameron Loe and Carlos Villanueva.

Money appeared to be the deciding factor in the decision to cut Coffey, who told Tom Haudricourt there are "no hard feelings" between him and the team. Coffey likely would have earned somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 million next season.

Joe Inglett appeared to be a bit of a long shot to make the roster in 2011, so the team opted to let him go seek opportunities elsewhere. Doug Melvin left the door open for Inglett to return to Brewer camp as a non-roster invitee if he can't find work elsewhere between now and February.

Meanwhile, the Brewers weren't the only team to non-tender players yesterday. (See the massive transaction list below.) The Brewers Bar has a look at five non-tendered players the Brewers could consider, although the first guy on his list probably isn't someone many of us would want back.

With the tender deadline behind us, we can now turn our full attention ahead to next week's Winter Meetings. Adam McCalvy and Tim Brown of Yahoo have previews of the Brewers' activity in Orlando, with both noting that the Brewers are continuing their search for pitching.

Here's one place the Brewers might find some help: As Backtocali noted in this FanPost, Christina Kahrl of Baseball Prospectus is suggesting the Brewers could trade Mat Gamel and Manny Parra to the Rays for James Shields. I'd make that deal.

One internal option, though, does not appear to be being considered: Adam McCalvy says Doug Melvin would prefer to keep Kameron Loe in the bullpen next season. Loe was a starter for much of his early major league career, and made ten starts for Nashville in 2010 before being called up.

Elsewhere in starter/relievers: In his chat yesterday Keith Law said he thinks both Mark Rogers and Jeremy Jeffress will end up in the bullpen, and he prefers Jeffress over Rogers. (h/t Battlekow) He also noted that he gets that question a lot.

For all the talk about what the Brewers will do this offseason, what would happen if they did nothing at all? Miller Park Drunk has a look at the possibility, and it might not be as bad as you'd think.

It's been a few days since we've discussed new manager Ron Roenicke, so perhaps it's time we stir up that discussion again. Jerry Crasnick of ESPN has a nice profile of Roenicke and his career to date.

The Brewers' annual Clubhouse Sale opened this morning, and John Steinmiller and Caitlin Moyer have a look at some of the items available.

Around baseball:

Angels: Signed reliever Hisanori Takahashi to a two year deal and non-tendered infielder Kevin Frandsen.
Astros: Non-tendered reliever Sammy Gervacio.
Athletics: Non-tendered 1B/DH Jack Cust, outfielder Travis Buck and third baseman Edwin Encarnacion.
Blue Jays: Non-tendered pitcher Jeremy Accardo and outfielder Fred Lewis.
Braves: Re-signed 1B/3B Eric Hinske to a one year, $1.45 million deal with a club option for 2012.
Cubs: Avoided arbitration with infielder Jeff Baker ($1.175 million)
Diamondbacks: Avoided arbitration with pitcher Zach Duke and non-tendered infielder Augie Ojeda, pitchers D.J. Carrasco and Blaine Boyer and outfielder Ryan Church.
Dodgers: Non-tendered catcher Russell Martin, reliever George Sherrill and outfielder Trent Oeltjen.
Giants: Avoided arbitration with infielder Mike Fontenot and non-tendered reliever Chris Ray and outfielder Eugenio Velez.
Indians: Avoided arbitration with pitcher Jensen Lewis (one year, $650,000).
Mariners: Non-tendered pitcher Ryan Rowland-Smith and signed pitcher Erik Bedard to a non-guaranteed one year deal.
Marlins: Avoided arbitration with pitcher Burke Badenhop and non-tendered catcher Ronny Paulino and pitcher Jose Veras.
Mets: Non-tendered pitchers John Maine and Sean Green and first baseman Chris Carter.
Nationals: Avoided arbitration with catcher Jesus Flores and infielder Alberto Gonzalez and non-tendered catcher Wil Nieves and pitchers Joel Peralta and Chien-Ming Wang.
Orioles: Non-tendered reliever Matt Albers.
Pirates: Avoided arbitration with pitcher Jeff Karstens ($1.1 million) and non-tendered outfielder Lastings Milledge, pitchers Brian Burres and Donnie Veal and shortstop Argenis Diaz.
Rangers: Non-tendered pitcher Dustin Nippert.
Rays: Non-tendered pitchers J.P. Howell and Lance Cormier, infielder Willy Aybar and catcher Dioner Navarro.
Red Sox: Re-signed catcher Jason Varitek to a one year, $2 million deal.
Rockies: Acquired infielder Jose Lopez from the Mariners for a minor leaguer.
Twins: Avoided arbitration with pitcher Pat Neshek ($625,000) and outfielder Jason Repko ($600,000).
White Sox: Exercised infielder Alexei Ramirez's $2.75 million option for 2011, signed Adam Dunn to a four year, $56 million deal, signed A.J. Pierzynski to a two year, $8 million deal, and non-tendered closer Bobby Jenks.
Yankees: Are expected to sign Mariano Rivera to a two year, $30 million deal.

Today in former Brewers:

Each year the Hall of Fame ballot includes a few dozen players, listed alphabetically. That's fine, I guess, but Wezen-ball took a crack at a better format yesterday.

On this day in 1901, the American League dropped the original Milwaukee Brewers, replacing them with the St. Louis Browns.

On this day in 1971, the Brewers traded outfielder Jose Cardenal to the Cubs for pitcher Jim Colborn. Colborn went on to pitch five seasons as a Brewer, winning 20 games and making the All Star team in 1973.

Happy birthday today to:

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to brush my teeth.

Drink up.

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Dioner Navarro and Russel Martin non-tendered.

I wonder how Paul LoDuca and Mike Piazza are doing, because it’s a bad day for Dodgers catchers.

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 3, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

What happened to Martin?

Two-time all star in his first three years, stole 20 bases one year, and then his power went away.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Dec 3, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

idk what did

I think he still is a good catcher, better then what we have.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

he started swinging for the fences more

guessing from his batted ball stats….

Hed probably at least be league average for the last year before FA. Might cost $7 mil to sign him but youd get your moneys worth and then some. Probably not a good move for the Brewers, but some team out there with some money will spend it on him as a fix.

by backtocali on Dec 3, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

that is kind of hefty for the Bewers

he had some speed, he had some pop, and he hit for a good avarage. That to me seems like what the manager would want. I dont know if the front office will see it that way or not. We dont need anymore “Power Hitters” who strike out over 40% of the time. at least put the ball in play and make the other team make a play.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Power, average, on-base...it all went away. But I thought you all would appreciate this from Dodgers.com
I"m glad we non-tendered Martin.19hrs-87rbi then 13hr-69rbi then 7hrs-53rbi then 5hr-26rbis.Of all starting catchers in the NL he had the worst rbi per AB ratio,the worst rbi per game ratio,was the worst with runners in scoring position and second to last in HR"s.I wouldn"t give him 5 mil. # when his game has deteriorated every year.

RBI / AB and RBI / G? Those sound like GREAT measures of a hitter’s ability….

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 3, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm not sure I get what you're saying.

Is is that Old Vegas is filled with idiots, but so too are many other gatherings of sports fans, and we should avoid all of them?

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 3, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Well

they may well say their stats show his game has deteriorated. However, I suspect many Dodgers fans will change their minds when I show that my patented RBIs to HR ratio proves Martin has been remarkably consistent over the last few years…

"I hope your name is Rick"

by MrLeam on Dec 3, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Brewers/Browns phrasing

The franchise was sold by the Milwaukee owner to a St. Louis syndicate. So I think the link is wrong in that it wasn’t really dropped, just moved.

I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.

by TheJay on Dec 3, 2010 10:39 AM CST reply actions  

Does anyone know the Brewers salary situation?

If I’m correct, aren’t Suppan, Hall, and T Hoffman now off the books?

I would think that would give them some $$$ to play with. No?

by victor s on Dec 3, 2010 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

true

hall was something close to 10 mil, I dont remember soups but it was alot, and hoffman since he declinced arbby, we owe him nothing. but I believe it was something like 20 mill coming off of our books this year.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

A little.

But raises will eat up a nice chunk of that.

by klwillis45 on Dec 3, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions  

quick look at Cot's

Braun & Yo eat up almost $6M by themselves.

Link

by klwillis45 on Dec 3, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

im fine with that.

they should get paid, probley more then what we are paying them.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Right

If we’re going to give someone more money, might as well be the guys producing year in and year out.

Still, there was a lot of money committed to those 3, and don’t forget the 4 mil towards Riske. Should be some money to throw around.

"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck

by GormanBraun28 on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I forgot about him

His name should of said everything about him. sorry could not resist.

There will be money, the FO just has to be wise about it. What we all consider wise will vary alot.

I would like to see alot of NRI buy low pitchers and see what ones still have it, it worked last year with Edmonds, and we got something for him when we traded him, even if its just a pick or two late in the year, it will help the team in the long run.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:42 AM CST up reply actions  

I dont think he will be

on the roster the whole year, I see him being moved in the first two months of the season, hopefully faster. We keep on losing places to move him.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But we have “been in contention” the last couple of July’s so Doug Melvin may not want to move him at all, in chances that he can help for the stretch run.

by backtocali on Dec 3, 2010 12:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Some what..if I understand the rules right

Suppan – Yes. His buyout became a bonus when we released him. (Paid last year)
Hall – Yes. His buyout became a bonus when we released him. (Paid last year)

Hoffman – No we have to account for his buy out.

Don’t quote me on this though. TheJay probably has a better handle on this.

But also remember… Fielder, Braun, Hart, Weeks all get pretty big raises. Arby eligbile peeps will take that money as well. So while it looks like we have plenty of payroll flexibility, it’s not as much as people think.

by SgtClueLs on Dec 3, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions  

yes true

I think Fielder will be gone, and we wont pay him to much. I dont know what Weeks will get probley more then 2 million I dont know what is contract is, but I feel he played better then hart, so maybe he will get more then hart got last year???

There will be some money, left to spend as long as its not the second coming of Soup I’m okay, with a buy low pitcher or two.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Weeks

He was paid $2.75M last season, and I’m guessing he’ll get at least $4M in arbitration.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 3, 2010 1:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Mostly correct

The Brewers still owe Hoffman $500,000 this year for buying out his option.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 3, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions  

not to bad

We still get a pick for him if he signs somewhere this year. I hope he signs one of those contracts so he retires in SD. I know that wont happen but it would be funny.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

J.P. Howell

what about a look at Howell, he has posted a sub 4 ERA, and seems pretty good, maybe even move him back into the starting role? He could be a cheap soild 4th or 5th starter?

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

I checked on him for the pen.

He wants & is expected to resign with TB.

by klwillis45 on Dec 3, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

darn

I like him alot. do you think DM could be a little underhanded, and make a offer he would take over, to move away from sunny Tampa?

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure it is.

As long as he brings “Lovey” with him.

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

not a bidding war

but maybe just a little more, for a guy who is soild, I forgot he had the shoulder problem, I guess I like him because he can start

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:02 AM CST reply actions  

plus DM seems...

A little to nice, it would be neat to see him be a little shady, not like tampering shady, just maybe make a offer to someone who he knows probley wont take it, but just to see if he will, and it has to be a player that wont hurt us someone we could use, and not break our bank so to say

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

What makes you think he can start?

Hasn’t started a game since 2007 and missed an entire year because of shoulder problems.

It’d almost be irresponsible to use him as a starting pitcher in 2011.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 3, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

So no Jeter?

sad face

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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 3, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

i guess I am looking forward also, get through this season, and look at 12 and 13 when we are projected to be contenders, unless you want to go broke this season to try to win it all or have a very good team or 5 or so years?

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

It works better if you use the “reply” button to my post, it makes the conversation easier to read.

Projecting JP as a starter in 2012 and 2013 is really difficult to do because we really have no idea if he can: a) recover from his surgery and b) convert back to starting.

Its fine if you can get a guy like that for the minimum, but when you’re trying to outbid another team for that guy with so much unkown – I don’t think it makes a lot of sense.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 3, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Evidence above indicates a knowledge of using the reply button.

However, reply fails are known to happen to even the most experienced users.

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 3, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

I don't get why you'd even consider that.

If you wanna pick up a non-tender coming off a shoulder injury as a buy low for the rotation, just go get John Maine.

by klwillis45 on Dec 3, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree - there are better options

Though if JP wanted a NRI at minimum, there isn’t much harm in giving it a shot.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 3, 2010 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Maine is scary

I dont like Maine and that is mainly because when he was not hurt, he has not pitched very good the past few years, I know the Mets have not had very good D, and the Brewers are in the same boat. That makes me believe that it would be the same thing in Milwaukee as in NY.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd take Maine

Another buy low pitcher. Figure he’s going to be a career low 4 era guy. He could be a solid #4 guy for us. He would take a low dollar contract. Saves the club some money to spend on a better pitcher(Webb)

by Mr. McGehee on Dec 3, 2010 1:28 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I did use it

I dont know what happened.

I see what you are saying, and agree. I would want him pretty cheap, becuase even if he cant start in a year, you can trade him if he is out performing his contract.

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

"Our Anus" Diaz

my favorite name Uecker ever pronounced is now on the market. Every time he said “Our Anus” Diaz you could hear Cory in the background chuckling.

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Dec 3, 2010 11:16 AM CST reply actions  

Cool Items I saw at the clubhouse sale, yesterday.

They have MP seats that you can buy. I though tthey were $100 a piece, but then i read Jon and Cait’s blog and noticed that they were $75 a piece, or $100 for 2.

They also have a silent auction with all sorts of game used/worn crap. A lot of it is from the playoffs. They have a shadowbox with a picture of the playoff celebration.

But why do you need a big huge shadowbox for just a picture? Because there is an empty bottle of champagne from that celebration inside. Pretty sweet.

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Dec 3, 2010 12:24 PM CST reply actions  

Yesterday?

I thought today was the first day of the sale.

Anyway, how busy does that thing get? I was thinking about taking the entire family there to shop around, but I don’t think having a 2 yo and a 1 yo in a crowded clubhouse sounds like fun.

Pujols is the Barack Obama of baseball.

by sjlee on Dec 3, 2010 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

General public today.

Season ticket holders got first crack yesterday.

by klwillis45 on Dec 3, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

they limit how many people that they let in at one time

but it still gets really crowded. I would leave the kids at home

http://www.mlbsoup.com

by tcyoung on Dec 3, 2010 2:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Dammit. I'm kicking myself.

I was down by the stadium today on my day off and was gonna go to the the team shop. Yep, I decided not to go, thus surely missing out on some good stuff at the clubhouse sale. Not happy.

Yeah, well, sometimes I drink.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Dec 3, 2010 5:50 PM CST reply actions  

Traded villy for a PTBNL

What do you guys think? It was to the Blue Jays, do they have any decent almost ready pitching?

by bugenj222 on Dec 3, 2010 6:31 PM CST reply actions  

We get our choice...

Mountain Dew…or Crab Juice.

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by Yar Nivek on Dec 3, 2010 11:42 PM CST up reply actions  

BLECH, ew, Sheesh

I’ll take the crab juice.

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by TheJay on Dec 4, 2010 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

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