Wednesday's Frosty Mug
Some things to read while spinning.
Well, we have a new Brewer this morning, although it's probably not the one any of us were hoping for. The team has signed catcher Wil Nieves, recently non-tendered by the Nationals, to a major league deal (FanShot). Nieves appeared in 59 games for the Nats last season and hit .203/.244/.310. All told, he's a 33 year old with a .227/.273/.297 career slash line. Jaymes Langrehr of The Brewers Bar may have been understating it by calling him "a terrible catcher." I have no idea what the Brewers see in him, but I guess you can pencil him in to the competition for the backup job.
Elsewhere, reaction to the Marcum/Lawrie deal continues to trickle in:
- Former Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston had some nice things to say about Marcum's "guts."
- The Ghost of Moonlight Graham really likes this trade for the Brewers.
- Call to the Pen says it's impossible to call the trade for either side.
Time is starting to run out for the Brewers to acquire a second starting pitcher this week. Wisconsin Sports Tap makes the case that going all in for Zack Greinke makes sense, and puts together a package of five prospects to offer.
By the way, WST also has a guide to this week's Winter Meeting lingo, if you're having a hard time keeping up.
Elsewhere in rumors, there's a report out there that the Brewers and Rays have discussed a deal that would bring pitcher Matt Garza to Milwaukee (FanShot). Garza was arbitration eligible for the first time in 2010 as a Super 2, which I believe means he's under team control for three more seasons. He's made 30 or more starts and posted an ERA under 4 for the Rays each of the last three seasons.
Meanwhile, Doug Melvin is slowly backing away from the cavalcade of injury reclamation projects. While admitting that he could come back to them later, he told Adam McCalvy he's not pursuing Jeff Francis, Brandon Webb, Chris Young, Rich Harden or Brad Penny at this point. Jaymes Langrehr seconded the team's apparent lack of interest in Harden.
Ron Roenicke's turn at the podium came up yesterday, and he told reporters he anticipates having Prince Fielder with the team this spring. John Steinmiller has the full transcript, if you're interested.
Here's some other winter meeting minutiae:
- The front office met with Rickie Weeks yesterday to discuss a possible extension. Gord Ash called it "a productive meeting," but that's pretty much all we know.
- The Brewers are scheduled to meet with Craig Counsell today to discuss his 2011 plans, but he's reportedly asked for more time to consider his options.
- The Brewers are one of several teams rumored to be talking to utilityman Delwyn Young (FanShot). Young hit .236/.286/.414 in 207 PAs for the Pirates last season while splitting time between right field, second and third base.
- T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com says the Rangers have talked to the Brewers about Prince Fielder, but doesn't expect anything to come of it.
- File under "duh:" David O'Brien is reporting the Brewers are more interested in getting rid of Carlos Gomez than Lorenzo Cain.
- Craig Calcaterra noted that Casey McGehee has a new agent (Barry Meister, who also represents Craig Counsell), and expects to report to camp in the "best shape of his life."
In the minors:
- Marc Hulet of FanGraphs posted his ranking of the top ten prospects in the Brewer organization, and has Jake Odorizzi replacing Brett Lawrie at #1.
- Minor League Baseball Prospects unveiled their list of baseball's top 2000 prospects for 2010. Jake Odorizzi is now the top Brewer at #124, and Scooter Gennett, Caleb Gindl, Kentrail Davis, Cameron Garfield, Jeremy Jeffress, Hunter Morris, Cutter Dykstra, Tyler Thornburg, Jimmy Nelson and Cody Scarpetta are also in the top 500, with 42 more Brewers ranked between 501 and 2000. Brett Lawrie was ranked #9 overall.
- Cody Scarpetta is likely headed to AA to start 2011 and could be in line for a big season. He told his hometown paper (the Rockford Register) that a mid-season mechanical adjustment helped him regain his control in 2010. (h/t Battlekow)
Around baseball:
Cardinals: Avoided arbitration with infielder Ryan Theriot, who will earn $3.3 million in 2011.
Cubs: Reportedly signed first baseman Carlos Pena to a one year, $10 million deal.
Dodgers: Signed outfielder Tony Gwynn Jr. to a one year, $675,000 deal and pitcher Vicente Padilla to a one year, $2 million deal.
Indians: Signed catcher Paul Phillips to a minor league deal.
Mets: Signed reliever D.J. Carrasco to a two year deal and catcher Ronny Paulino to a one year, $1.3 million deal.
Padres: Signed pitcher Dustin Moseley to a one year, $900,000 deal.
Pirates: Signed outfielder Matt Diaz to a two year deal.
White Sox: Re-signed first baseman Paul Konerko to a three year, $37.5 million deal.
Today in former Brewers:
- Ned Yost took his turn at the podium at the Winter Meetings yesterday and told reporters his time with the Brewers helped him learn how to deal with the media.
- Bill Hall is reportedly drawing interest from the Astros.
- Mark Loretta is in Lake Buena Vista, working for the Astros.
- They're a bit too late to influence the Veterans Committee, but Baseball: Past and Present has a look at Ted Simmons' Hall of Fame case.
We're living in the golden age of sabermetric concepts made easier to understand via well-drawn graphics, folks. Beyond the Box Score has the latest: a visual representation of the change in run expectation in various base/out conditions.
On this day in 1991 the major league career of Brewer reliever Julio Machado came to a sudden and surprising end, as he was arrested for murder in Venezuela. Machado served 12 years in prison for shooting a passenger in the other car following an accident.
On this day in 1997 the Brewers traded pitchers Ben McDonald, Ron Villone and Mike Fetters to the Indians for pitcher Jeff Juden and outfielder Marquis Grissom.
Happy birthday today to 1992-95 Brewer coach Tim Foli, who turns 60.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm headed off to a vintage furniture store three states away. (h/t @Massaconsin)
Drink up.
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10 million bucks for a guy who batted under the Uecker line...
The Cubs are insane to make that deal if you ask me.
I hope he continues to suck that bad for them.
For your health!
Thank you Jim Hendry
He is the gift that just keeps giving…
by Saberilliterate on Dec 8, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I just wish it was more than a 1 year deal.
But thank you Alfonso Soriano and Milton Bradley, your work is appreciated.
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The reason it's not more than 1 year
Is they are almost assuredly going to be going after Fielder / Gonzalez / Pujols next year.
Pujols isn’t going anywhere and I’d bet that the Sox lock up Gonzalez so it’s entirely likely that Fielder will end up on the Cubs. They are really good at overpaying for players so my bet is, they win the sweepstakes on him.
For your health!
No, that's not why this is a 1 year deal
Its a 1 year deal because Pena’s agent is Scott Boras, and this is what Boras does. He gets the best possible 1-year deal for someone who had a ‘down year’, hopes for a turn-around, and then the following season looks for 3/50.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 3:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's kind of a special case
His on base percentage and power numbers more than make up for his average. His defense is also really good. For one year, I think its a great deal for them.
Right?
It’s unreal. Ten Million. I would be sooooo pissed if Melvin did that (ahem Gagne)
The Cubs would have been better off going with Branyan. They’s likely get more production for less than half the money.
Craziness.
For your health!
Wil Nieves!
We’re saved!
"Special teams means special times, bros"
by schmita91 on Dec 8, 2010 11:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Report that Braves and Brewers still talking trade
Brewers want Minor for Cain, Braves say “humbug!”, Brewers say “Gomez?”, Braves say “eh, maybe…” (not for Minor, someone else)
If the Braves will give up anything decent for Gomez, Melvin should dance around for 10 minutes then call him back.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
I wouldn't risk Frank Wren coming to his senses in that ten minutes,
Finish the deal, then dance for double the time.
Good point
Then he needs to say “no givsies backsies!”
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Dec 8, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
haha rec
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 3:53 PM CST up reply actions
Unless what they offer is totally useless.
In which case I think Gomez should spend the year at AAA.
You never know, maybe he can figure something out.
We was pretty much rushed to the majors, maybe he just needs more time to work on his hitting in a lower pressure situation.
That’s me being very optimistic.
For your health!
That something useless is also probably cheaper.
Since Gomez is in his arbitration years and will probably get around $1.5MM
Is that you Mykenk?
You know Ryan Braun had 864 PAs in the minors before being called up, Carlos Gomez had 1134?
Just sayin’.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
Right, but you have to add all the college numbers to Braun's Minor league numbers.
but we’ve been over that.
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by Mykenk on Dec 8, 2010 5:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
I dont see the Braves taking on Gomez
But Cain for Minor is a nice trade. All in all it would probably a wash as far as overall effect on the w-l record though.
You may not see it...
But Wren is considering it.
"I signed with the Milwaukee Braves for three-thousand dollars. That bothered my dad at the time because he said he didn't have that kind of dough." - Ueck
by GormanBraun28 on Dec 8, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
If not for Minor why do it then?
Minor or Lowe are about the only two guys the Braves will probably give up that are worth something, and if they dont like Cain for Minor, they probably dont want Gomez for Minor either.
And if it is Gomez, it wouldnt be him alone, and it would probably have to include a decent prospect along with it, so why do it at all? The team only has one premium prospect left in its system, and if you give him up (if it hasnt happened already) they are looking at one of the worst farm systems in the game (bottom 10).
Any one of them come to mind
If it were anything but Odirizzi I would be fine with that.
I would even accept a Gomez/Rogers/Heckathorn type deal for Minor, although thats a bit of an overpayment probably
Not to press the panic button
But I’d be surprised if the minor league system isn’t in the bottom ten right now, even with Odorizzi. The FanGraphs link listed above has them at #24.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Probably true
But I figured that the depth of arms in the system, although almost devoid of impact talent would put them in the 18 or 19 range. Kind of a scary thought.
I wouldn't read too much into that
You never know who’s going to blossom and who isn’t. There are some mighty good players out there who were drafted very low, and took a few years in the minors to develop. I’m sure the “experts” ranked the Angels’ draft in ’84 pretty low, and their #1 Erik Pappas ended up playing 7 years in AAA – but tucked back in rounds 15 and 17 were a couple of unheralded players in Chuck Finley and Dante Bichette. We drafted a whole bunch of tall pitchers this year – 28 pitchers – a couple of them will probably turn out to be players.
The draft isn't what ranked #24
The entire Brewer farm system ranked #24.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I feel like we all sort of knew that was the State of the Farm
which is primarily why I am not a big fan of the Lawrie/Marcum trade.
I can be objective enough to say that I think its rather fair, slightly favoring Toronto, but that doesn’t mean I think it was the smart thing to do. The team is immediately better, that’s good.
Hopefully 2 picks in the top 16 this year will be very, very good.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions
Based on the value of all the prospects
Of which we only have an estimated value, based on college performance and competition among each other, while they continue to develop. It’s an educated guess. It directly affects our ability to trade using prospects, but how all the players turn out is completely unknown.
I wanted the Brewers to trade Escobar a couple of years back and hold onto Hardy
I think Escobar was a top 15 or even top 10 prospect at that time. Hasn’t worked out all that well so far.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Hardy is of course the better player and still under team control for a little bit, but the savings on his salary plus the non-resign of Cameron were what the Brewers needed to sign Wolf. Looking back on it, though, it sucks that Hardy hit so poorly right before we traded him otherwise he could have actually netted a decent return. Ultimately, the money-bind made it necessary to trade him then instead of keeping him for one more year and letting him rebound, upping his value.
Cain for Minor? There’s absolutely no way in hell that deal gets done. Minor was the #8 pick two years ago, is a top-50 prospect, and is under control for 6 years.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Dec 8, 2010 2:03 PM CST up reply actions
so you are saying you want Gomez right?
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by Jeo on Dec 8, 2010 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Have you seen what Cain has done so far?
At the very least he is going to be an average defender and bat in CF, and if not for injury would be a top 50 prospect right now as well. At the very best he is probably an above average CF/OF compared very well with Minor for the same length of team control and production.
What changed with your evaluation of Cain?
Not too long ago you said Cain’s defense was better suited for a corner OF position or 4th OF – now he’s going to be average at the very least, possibly above average and a top 50 prospect?
Get a ife broseph
I do still feel
That he is probably better suited as a plus RF, than average CF, but of course there is more value in the latter. I dont think he is ever going to have a ton of power, but if he can hit .270 with line drive power and get on base at a nice clip he winds up being a nice player. The reason I would perhaps call him a 4th OF is that those corner spots usually require average to plus power and I dont think he has that, although his defense is plus there.
Cain I believe was on track for a latter half of the top 50 ranking the season after he was injured in AA (Cant exactly remember what level he was at) but that lost year and his age kind of drop him off of those types of lists.
I like the kid. I think if you can get 2 to 3 WAR type of production out of him while he is here it will be right on track with what I think about him currently. I do still believe, though, that if Gomez learns how to effectively use his bat at least to average ability, he is an all star production player (4+ WAR simply because of his defense).
So does this mean Tampa Bay takes a closer look at Fielder?
Not saying they would bite on a one-year rental, but might they think a little more about sacrificing a little pitching for an upgrade at 1B for 2011?
"Sometimes I feel like an idiot...but I am an idiot, so it kinda works out."
They would have last July probably
and flipped him this offseason, but I just dont see them taking on a contract that big. The better bet would be getting Garza or Shields for Cain or a Gamel/someone else package.
No THAT would be the way to go.
If we can trade Gamel and a few other prospects (without losing any of our top pitching prospects) and pick up a guy like Garza…. I think this team would be playoff bound.
(assuming health obviously)
For your health!
the rays are slashing payroll,. so the only way that happens is if we eat a nice chunk of fielder's salary.
I would think that if they can get fielder for relatively cheap, he looks very attractive to them.
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by tcyoung on Dec 8, 2010 12:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Probably would have to send at least $8 million over to make it work for them
And then you still only get Garza or Shields. But this way you get a decent prospect as well, which from the Rays would be a nice thing to have.
Same here
they have about 3 different pitching prospects that would probably slide in as the #1 prospect in the Brewer system if that were to happen.
Alex Torres and Alexander Colome come immediately to mind.
From MLBTR
Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports speculate that it could make sense for the Angels to sign Lee and then trade one of Jered Weaver or Ervin Santana to acquire some offense and help offset Lee’s salary.
We have offense! I was looking more at Weaver. Maybe the Angels need an upgrade at 1B?
"Special teams means special times, bros"
I see
Weaver made 4.25 million in 2010, and certainly pitched well enough to earn more in arbitration in 2011 and 2012. However, I wouldn’t mind getting Weaver for 6-8M a year for 2 years if we have to move Fielder for him. What do you think?
"Special teams means special times, bros"
I'd probably do that.
It would be great to have Weaver in the rotation and that would make this team a contender for sure.
Though we might want to have a back up plan for first base in case Gamel sucks so much he can’t play third… or first…. or the outfield.
I think if we are able to add another good starter WITHOUT losing Fielder though, this team has a serious chance of contending.
For your health!
I dont think Fielder's $16 million is really going to offset much if that is their goal
They might like McGehee though, now a McGehee for Weaver or Santana deal would be very nice as a sell high proposition. Dont forget they still have Kendry Morales to play 1B.
DH
Fielder could presumably DH for them though. What about packaging Fielder and Gamel for Napoli and one of the pitchers maybe we pick up a little salary?
by Trent Durrington on Dec 8, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
The big problem with that
Is that I dont think any team wants to pay $16 million for a DH. If they Angels are looking to alleviate some salary pressure, and they pick up Cliff Lee, they most likely would move Ervin Santana.
If the Brewers sent say Fielder and $8 million over to the Angels, I dont think it would be too much to expect to ask for Santana and Napoli.
Not to pile on you
But I’m dead set against any Fielder trade that nets a first baseman in return. I’d much rather spend that return value on something usable and play Gamel/McGehee/Hart/Braun at first.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
What happens to Kendry Morales, then?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
No, I thought the Brewers were
Trading Gamel, Odorizzi, and a bunch of shit to the Royals for Greinke. Since apparently two B-ish prospects, and a bunch of throw-in guys will get it done.
/sarcasm
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
i know you're joking
but the royals have a some 1B-DH types, so they’d probably shy away from such shenanigans.
love jered weaver
good pitcher for my fantasy team last year, not to mention he is well above the height requirements to be a brewers pitcher.
wow
All of the top 6 (and 8 of the top 10) prospects in our system are pitchers. I know that part of it is just a general depletion of bats, but it’s a pretty nice change. Probably no real #1’s, but I’d guess we’ll get at least two solid mid rotation or backend starters from that list (which doesn’t even include another option, Amaury Rivas) to supplement Yo over the next few years.
by rob deer's moustache will destroy us all on Dec 8, 2010 12:03 PM CST reply actions
McGehee
Casey McGehee wins for earliest player to be “in the best shape of his life” this off season.
by Trent Durrington on Dec 8, 2010 12:09 PM CST reply actions
In the Brewer organization, yes
But Calcaterra’s been making a point of noting every “best shape of his life” this offseason, and McGehee is about the 4th or 5th.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
Kottaras had about the same stat line as Nieves last year
Nieves actually had a better caught stealing % then Kottaras.
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"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
Caught Stealing % is the main thing you look for in a catcher
Batting Average and OPS is great, but sadly it’s not the main thing that most GMs look for. A slugging Catcher is hard to find.
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"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
It's nice to have, but it's one of the not so important things.
At least, when compared to wOBA or OPS.
We sure hear a lot about it though!
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"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
No
What is the caught stealing % of the tool that catches Tim Wakefield?
by Saberilliterate on Dec 8, 2010 4:01 PM CST up reply actions
never underestimate the power of defense
Kottaras can hit for more power than Nieves, sure, but if you’re looking for a backup catcher the wee difference in OPS may not make up for said better-hitting catcher being a defensive black hole.
That's for sure
Neither are all that great. Although, Kottaras is still young, so he could improve on the hitting.
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"A ringing single for David Eckstein who, in my view, is the perfect size for an American male." -Bob Costas
OK, let me re-state this
the Brewers need a backup catcher who isn’t Kottaras or Nieves. Nieves, on further investigation, isn’t that much of a defensive improvement. Roenicke is probably frustrated as heck that the Brewers, unlike the Angels, don’t really have a proper backup catcher.
Doumit is available
Doubt he’d accept a back-up role but he’s pretty good and pretty affordable.
For your health!
He might actually stay in one piece for 40 games if you limit him to three every 2 weeks
I never use a big word when a diminutive word would suffice.
Braves
I don’t see Frank Wren giving up Minor for Cain, and they will shy away from Gomez’ OBP shortcomings.
So, if forced to choose, would you prefer:
Cain for Beachy. Straight up.
OR
Kawakami 1 year rental at $3 million for an A ball prospect / bag of balls.
If Gomez counts as a bag of balls
I think I’d be happy to trade him for Kawakami; this is a gut feel response, though, so I’d be happy to hear arguments to the contrary.
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If they got Sack 'o Potatoes, they would have Fielder's replacement
by BrewCrewBrian on Dec 8, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
what about "Frank Bag O' Donuts Winters"?
Too close for missiles, I’m switching to Ueck.
not if it comes along with the standard sexual harrassment he was well known for
and side kick Mark Chmura
Bag O' Donuts and the Hot Tub Crime Machine
sounds like a wedding band
by MillerParkSouth on Dec 8, 2010 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Who is Beachy?
Kawakami doesnt do much for me. I see him as a swingman/#5 at best, so why waste any money or a prospect on a guy you can pick up from the AAA roster or scrap heap?
If Beachy is Mike Minor, I dont mind the deal, I think its a pretty even trade slightly favoring the Brewers. I think Gomez still has some hope left in him. for a guy to give you over 1 WAR in only half a season while not hitting at all, he will give you at least average for a full season of defense, and an improvement in his batting ability a Franklyn Gutierrez 09 type of season.
I believe that's Brandon Beachy
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players//b/beachbr01.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=beache001bra
I don’t know enough about him (and don’t have time to research him just yet) to have an opinion on trading him, but I am loathe to trade Cain. I’m probably overvaluing him, but I’d really want a lot for him.
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Whoa
His name is Beachy and he’s from Kokomo???? Make the trade!
Brandon Beachy was an undrafted free agent in 2008.
He’s 24, pitched pretty well in three starts in the majors last year and has a very, very good minor league track record. There’s a good write up on him here. Sounds like he’s more of a Marcum than a Gallardo. I wouldn’t mind trading for him at all.
You lost me at undrafted free agent
Lefti, I’ve got Cain’s value at about $15 million surplus, which isnt bad, not all star, not horrible, but solid for 5 years of control. I think it would be silly to give him up for anything less than a quality pitcher for 5 years of control
take a look at the rates at which an undrafted free agent
even makes the major leagues, much less makes an impact
Sure.
But there’s been new data since his (non)draft.
Adjust your numbers, scouting reports can & do change.
This is true
But, Sickels tends to rely a bit too much on numbers in his scouting reports, and does tend to over value a guy with great results but has bad opinion from scouts on mechanics, etc….even so, calls him a #4 or reliever.
Cain is worth a heck of a lot more than him.
Using that logic
The Brewers should go hard after Brian Bullington, Tim Beckham and Matt Bush because #1 overall draft picks have a high rate of being impact players in the majors.
I ultimately don’t even care, it just seems bizarre that you would dismiss a guy’s scouting report and minor league stats because of where he was or was not drafted.
Get a ife broseph
Look at the rate of all drafted players that make a big impact in the majors.
We should probably just avoid the draft altogether.
by Noah Jarosh on Dec 8, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Cain for Beachy seems very fair.
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by Scott Coleman on Dec 8, 2010 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Probably not Schafer, but a decent C-level guy or two could probably be had.
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Dec 8, 2010 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
and the other 29 teams in baseball don’t?
"That guy mvhsbball is really an insufferable schmuck." - FuquaManuel
by Scott Coleman on Dec 8, 2010 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, they do
why would we want yours? You don’t want ours…
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by Mykenk on Dec 8, 2010 5:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
best shape of his life...
I’ve been going after spherical. It’s the perfect shape. I happen to be a long way from obtaining it though
Minor League Baseball's top 2000 prospects
At which point in the list do you think they just gave up arguing over the exact position of each player? Considering Brent Brewer is number 1985…
"I hope your name is Rick"
As this is the only real baseball blog I read
I’ll assume that they’re all similar to BCB, and therefore, there’s constant fighting, down to the 2000th spot, followed by debate on who got left off and who was misranked.
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I am fine with the comment
I just think it should be in a different spot.
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by Jeo on Dec 8, 2010 3:40 PM CST up reply actions
You're spelling is a off
Cause it’s not the interwebs without some douche nitpicking grammar.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 8, 2010 4:13 PM CST up reply actions
Is this
You’re spelling is a off
sarcasm?
I can’t tell.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
You know who else couldn't discern sarcasm?
Hitler.
I read it once on Wikipedia, so it has to be true.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 8, 2010 4:32 PM CST up reply actions
I feel like the above argument about how we argue here is missing a reply fail.
So I’m adding one.
Now that's great tasting chicken!
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 8, 2010 4:07 PM CST reply actions 6 recs
Maybe this has been hashed out previously
But why isn’t the most likely Greinke trade proposal(at least for the Brewers) a Fielder plus Cain deal, with Fielder going to a third team and the prospects going to the Royals?
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
Three team trades are increasingly rare.
I suppose it’s possible, but it’s too much of a long shot to be considered “the most likely.”
Now that's great tasting chicken!
I'd agree here
and I’m not sure that even gets it done. If I was the Royals, I’d want 5 pitching prospects for Greinke—at LEAST 1 A or 5 star, if not 2.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Although to be fair Dayton Moore runs the Royals
so its possible that the Brewers could send Fielder+Cain, a third team could send a prospect or two, and the Brewers could end up with Greinke and Kila Ka’aihue and Alex Gordon.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
I guess I thinking “most likely to assemble a package to actually get Greinke, as opposed to the assemblage of fringy toolsy guys the Brewers have above AA”. I refuse to believe the Royals are dumb enough to take a package centered around High A guys for Greinke, no matter how much all actual evidence shows that they are that dumb.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 8, 2010 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
Dayton Moore just signed Jeff Francoeur
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:31 PM CST up reply actions
Matt Klaasen over at Fangraphs
has a good story on Moore.
Here’s the meat and ’taters:
First, the four worst hitters hitters (by wOBA) among qualified players from 2008-2010.
127. Pedro Feliz, .284 wOBA
126. Jason Kendall, .288 wOBA
125. Yuniesky Betancourt, .291 wOBA
124. Jeff Francoeur, .298 wOBA
Now, the least valuable three (qualified) position players by FanGraphs WAR, 2008-2010:
127. Jose Guillen, -1.1 WAR
126. Yuniesky Betancourt, -0.8 WAR
125. Jeff Francoeur, 0.0 WAR
It makes you think anything is possible if Dayton Moore is involved.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:38 PM CST up reply actions
Mr Francoer, Zero point zero
Jason Daniel Kendall has no WAR. All at bats incomplete.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Dec 8, 2010 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
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thank you sir, may I have another?
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 8, 2010 7:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not sure if this was in reply to my comment
where i said:
at LEAST 1 A or 5 star, if not 2.
if it is, then I think you’re misunderstanding “1 A”. Not as in, “A ball”, as in “A grade”.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 8, 2010 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
Cain
I think Cain for Beachy straight up or Cain + another prospect for Minor are both good deals. Other than probably Garza, it’s the only realistic option they have at getting a good pitcher. Cain hasn’t proved enough for me to say he’s a legit major leaguer. Beachy seems to me to have more upside than the pundits give him credit for. Minor has had his control issues, but still projects pretty high. My only concern with him is can he be successful in the league as a left handed control pitcher? He doesn’t have blow you away stuff and he could either be very successful and fool hitters, or he could just get lit up against major league bats. For my money, I’ll take the risk on a left handed SP as a opposed to a right handed CF.
I still do like Cain, just if you can get something good for him than do it.








































