PECOTA updated again: Brewers now at 79 wins
They're headed in the right direction, at least.
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Kyle Lobner
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And the nats are now falling
all is becoming right with the world.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Then we'll match our SBNation win total from 2009.
I think we should have improved over 2009, but hey, at least we’re not getting worse right?
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Hey, 79 wins and tied for third in the division isn’t that bad when they project only 84 wins to win the NL Central and 86 will win the NL Wild Card. We’d be in contention even with these seemingly pessimistic projections.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Feb 1, 2010 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Just windaging it real quick...
…if you look at it, the Brewers’ projected median finish is about five games back of the projected median finish of the Cardinals.
But there’s a lot of “play” in these forecasts – historically around nine wins or so, based on Root Mean Square Error. (Even “perfect” forecasts of talent and playing time would have about six wins or so of RMSE around them, simply based on random variation.)
So given that, what we can say from these is that the Cardinals are expected to have a better record than the Brewers only about 65% of the time. So yes, the Brewers are still very much in contention according to these projections.
can someone help me understand
why the Brewers SB Nation record still says 79-82, with one game left? perhaps this has already been discussed but I have been wondering since last fall. a glitch?
by rootsmaneuver on Feb 1, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
No idea
It’s been fixed a couple of times, but I’m done worrying about it, because it’ll be moot once spring training starts anyway.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I cannot believe the way
the baseball blogosphere/twitterverse is obsessed with these PECOTA updates. Very possibly not the best projection system out there, clearly bug-ridden, and we’ve had CHONE for months.
Also, cheese.
I don't know if I'd say obsessed.
“Bored” is probably more accurate.
In the grand scheme, though, I share your sentiment with a little outrage thrown in for good measure. I can’t understand how BP expects to convince people to pay for their “best” content when their free samples include something you accurately described as bug ridden and clearly not elite.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Bored is probably right.
But I get it — BP has done a great job of branding themselves as the leader in sabermetric analysis, even if they have been superseded in just about every category by somebody else somewhere. Lots and lots of bloggers have to have something to update with, and you can only make so many Willy Taveras jokes.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 1, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
But just imagine how much people would rag on PECOTA if it *wasn't* for-pay.
It’s always a bit disconcerting to see the phenomenon at work in something like sabermetrics which long prided itself on making cutting-edge knowledge available for free, but perhaps it’s just a sign that it’s arrived in (or at least near) the mainstream – put a price on something, and many people will treat it as having credibility it might not actually deserve. After all, who in their right mind would put a price on something that is no better than plentiful free alternatives? (In fact, I think that’s much of the BP branding Jeff mentions these days – not just that they’re the leader, but that they’re the only ones sufficiently convinced of their stuff to ask the public for money for it.)
That said, of course many people won’t actually pay for it (after all, there are still all those free alternatives), but I think even those people are susceptible to the idea that BP’s stuff is “worth money” and thus somehow a little more trustworthy or what-have-you. Only a minority of even saber-friendly baseball fans will be clued in to how the free alternatives are better. Specifically better in each “category” as Jeff put it, that is, not just in general terms.
Good points.
What’s frustrating to me is that the minority of fans who know the free alternatives are better are the in many cases the same bloggers who are hyperventilating over the PECOTA releases.
Bloggers: take a deep breath, wait a couple of weeks, and if you have a desperate need for projections in the meantime, use something else.
[Just to be clear, I’m not ragging on KL here for posting this fanshot. There are others who are treating this like a critical unfolding news story.]
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 1, 2010 5:14 PM CST up reply actions
If you know of any other errors in the PECOTAs...
…besides the ones we’ve addressed, I’d love to hear them.
I'm following my own advice
no offense to you or anybody else at BP, but I haven’t used PECOTA for more than just a glance now and then for years.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 1, 2010 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
I pay for BP
And I mainly do it because I like the articles and I like to use PECOTA as another reference point. It’s not an either/or thing, I supplement it with other free info as well.
Is it worth it? For me, a couple of bucks a month is fine and I’m sure I get my money worth. Yeah, I’m a little concerned with their quality control the last couple of years but it gives me something to read about in January and February. :)
by kingcharlesxii on Feb 2, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
If you're running out of things to read
Then your reading list must be a little smaller than mine.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Interesting that it has the Brew giving up 765 runs
That’s the second-most in the NL behind only Pittsburgh.
Makes me feel like Milwaukee really has a lot more win potential, if its arms have a decent season.
Cleary PECOTA doesn't understand
how many home runs Escobar will haul in from over the wall.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 1, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions
But this is the year of the reds!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
seems like it's always the year of the reds
if you keep picking them to do well, it’s gotta happen sometime right?
"This one means 'Kill Kirk!!!!'... And also, 'hallelujah'... Depending on the context."
That's what I was going for.
PECOTA just decided to join the party in a big way.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
yeah, i see what you did there
"This one means 'Kill Kirk!!!!'... And also, 'hallelujah'... Depending on the context."
Escobar must have a pretty impressive vertical jump if he’s going to start robbing home runs!
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by SRB on Feb 1, 2010 3:04 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not qualified to engage in this discussion...
… but one can’t help but note that PECOTA had the Cubs at 95 wins in 2009, the Cards at 82 and the Brewers at 84. I think 79 is pessimistic, but it’s not unreasonable to conclude that any uptick in the performance of the pitching staff might be offset by diminished offensive production and maybe defensive production at a couple of positions.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 1, 2010 6:41 PM CST reply actions
At this rate
the Brewers will be projected for like 95 wins by the end of the month.
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