A Look Ahead: 2011 Roster Construction
Now that the 2010 beginning-of-season-payroll is essentially set at $85 million, I asked myself a question.
Is it too early to start looking at the 2011 roster?
I mean, the 2010 roster isn't even set yet. Pitchers and Catchers have yet to report to Maryvale, AZ. There's so much that can change with this team in the next 6 months, let alone the next year. However, I started to think about all the chatter that's been going on here, and elsewhere, about whether or not Prince Fielder should be traded or signed to an extension. People have questioned whether or not the club will have money to offer to him. Really, both sides have made some pretty compelling cases. So I decided that, if we are going to begin to analyze next year's roster, we need to take a look at the financial situation before we go any further. In other words, the answer to the above question is, "Yes, I decided to write this piece." And since you're reading it, you already figured that out.
I didn't intend for this to be a thread about the merits of keeping/trading Prince, but I'm pretty sure that's what it will turn out to be. And really, any move you make for next year has to start with deciding to either keep Prince or trade him.
I'd like to start by seeing what the Brewers will look like with Prince around next year because there are fewer question marks. Just like last time, I had to make several assumptions/guesses. For instance, we're not sure how much a player will make in arbitration, so I had to make a guess at it. I tend to be a little more conservative with my guess at how much money will be available than guys like Charlie Marlow or sjlee, so I tend to guess a little bit high on purpose. I guessed $17,000,000. It might be a little high, but I think it's a reasonable estimate.
I also had to make an assumption about options. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Zaun and Riske's options will not be picked up. Davis on the other hand has a questionable option at $6.5MM or a $1MM buyout. I assumed it gets picked up. We can work from there. I also assumed Hoffman's would be picked up.
I also assumed that both Lucroy and Salome will be ready for the majors next season. This might not be a fair assumption to make, and it could play into the Zaun option.
I had no idea where to start with Gallardo's first year of arbitration. Personally, I think he'll get a deal to buy out some of those arb years, but I have no idea for how much. I guessed $3 MM.
I'm not exactly sure how the $4 MM in deferred Randy Wolf money is going to get paid out. I assumed that it'll be an extra $2 MM in both 2011 and 2012.
And, lastly, I assumed an opening day payroll of somewhere between $85-$90 MM.
| 2011 Name | 2011 Salary | |
| POSITION |
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| C | Lucroy | $400,000 |
| 1B | Fielder | $17,000,000 |
| 2B | Weeks | $3,500,000 |
| SS | Escobar | $400,000 |
| 3B | McGehee/Gamel | $400,000 |
| LF | Braun | $4,288,000 |
| CF | Gomez | $2,250,000 |
| RF | Hart | $5,500,000 |
| BENCH | Gamel/McGehee | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Prospect IF | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Salome | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Prospect OF | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Veteran OF | $1,000,000 |
| PITCHING | ||
| SP1 | Gallardo | $3,000,000 |
| SP2 | Wolf | $11,500,000 |
| SP3 | Davis | $6,500,000 |
| SP4 | Parra | $1,500,000
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| SP5 | SP5 | |
| SP6/PEN | Long Relief/SP6 | |
| PEN | Hawkins | $4,250,000 |
| PEN | Coffey | $2,500,000 |
| PEN | Villanueva | $1,500,000 |
| PEN | Stetter | $400,000 |
| PEN | ||
| CLOSER | Hoffman | $7,500,000 |
| OTHER | ||
| BUYOUT | Suppan | $2,000,000 |
| BUYOUT | Riske | $250,000 |
| BUYOUT | Zaun | $250,000 |
| TOTAL | $77,488,000 |
Now, it looks like if we keep Prince, we'll have roughly $10MM to spend on 1 SP, and 2 bullpen spots. If we can fill the bullpen spots from within with Axford, Butler, Rogers, Peralta types, we're left with $8-10 MM to spend on a starting pitcher. Despite Roy Halladay signing an extension, and Lee looking as if he will do the same, the starting pitching market looks to be pretty strong next offseason. $8-10 MM could net us one of the second tier guys like Millwood, De La Rosa, Francis, Duchscherer, Bedard, or Harden. I think any of those guys could potentially slot in as a #2. This would leave us with a pretty good team. On offense, we'll have Braun, Fielder, Hart, Gamel, Escobar, and Gomez. The pitching will feature Gallardo, #2, Wolf, Davis, and Hoffman. This team would certainly be a contender in the NL.
However, there's some room for flexibility with this roster. If Corey Hart doesn't improve upon last year, there's a good chance he'll be non-tendered, freeing up an extra $5 MM or so. Gamel could possibly make the move to RF, and we'd have about $13-15 MM to spend on a Starting Pitcher. That type of money could conceivably net you Javier Vazquez. Now, imagine that team. Braun, Fielder, Gamel, Escobar, and Gomez coupled with Vazquez, Gallardo, Wolf, Davis, and Hoffman. That's a WS contender. Or maybe instead of Vazquez, you can then take 2 guys from the Millwood/Francis bin to give you some depth.
There are other ways to free up money, as well. Davis could be let go, freeing up another $5.5 MM. Add that to the Hart non-tender, and you've got yourself about $20 MM to spend on 2 pitchers.
While it looks like we could field a very talented team with Fielder in 2011, it'd be silly to think that Doug Melvin won't at least listen to offers before the deadline, and in the offseason. So let's take a look at constructing a team without Prince.
| 2011 Name | 2011 Salary | |
| POSITION | ||
| C | Lucroy | $400,000 |
| 1B | Gamel | $400,000 |
| 2B | Weeks | $3,500,000 |
| SS | Escobar | $400,000 |
| 3B | McGehee | $400,000 |
| LF | Braun | $4,288,000 |
| CF | Gomez | $2,250,000 |
| RF | Hart | $5,500,000 |
| BENCH | Veteran IF | $1,000,000 |
| BENCH | Prospect IF | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Salome | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Prospect OF | $400,000 |
| BENCH | Veteran OF | $1,000,000 |
| PITCHING | ||
| SP1 | Gallardo | $3,000,000 |
| SP2 | SP2 | |
| SP3 | Wolf | $11,500,000 |
| SP4 | Davis | $6,500,000 |
| SP5 | Parra | $1,500,000 |
| SP6/PEN | Long Relief/SP6 | |
| PEN | Hawkins | $4,250,000 |
| PEN | Coffey | $2,500,000 |
| PEN | Villanueva | $1,500,000 |
| PEN | Stetter | $400,000 |
| PEN | ||
| CLOSER | Hoffman | $7,500,000 |
| OTHER | ||
| BUYOUT | Suppan | $2,000,000 |
| BUYOUT | Riske | $250,000 |
| BUYOUT | Zaun | $250,000 |
| $61,488,000 |
That leaves us with about $25MM to spend on a starting pitcher, 2 bullpen spots, and some bench slots. Once again, those bullpen spots can be filled for next to nothing from within. We may want to add a some power on the bench, so we could potentially spend a little more than the $1,000,000 set aside for a veteran bench player, but that's still about $25 mil.
$25 MM is a lot of money. It shouldn't be spent in 1 place. This is where it gets fun.
Let's just add 2 starting pitchers. Parra can move into the bullpen as pitching depth, and Gallardo, Wolf, and Davis can say hello to the likes of Javier Vazquez and Jorge De La Rosa. There's still a little cash to spend on a bullpen arm, or some quality bench players.
Since there aren't really any starting positions available, why don't we create them? Let's non tender Corey Hart. Now we've got $30MM to spend on a SP and a RF. But let's look at another factor. Chances are, if Prince is traded, a top pitching prospect will be part of the return package. Let's imagine a scenario where that prospect is major league ready.
The Brewers could decline the Davis option, and have $35MM to spend on a starting pitcher and a RF. How good would the team look with Brandon Webb and Carl Crawford? Or how about moving Gamel to RF instead of 1B, and adding Vazquez and Carlos Pena. The lineup would be:
Crawford Weeks Braun Gamel McGehee Escobar Gomez Lucroy
or
Weeks Escobar Braun Pena Gamel McGehee Gomez Lucroy
The rotation would be:
Gallardo Webb Wolf Top Prospect Parra.
All that with Coffey, Hawkins, and Hoffman finishing the games out. And there's still a little bit of money to spend!
So, there you have it. If you hold onto Prince next year, you have anywhere from $8-$20 MM to spend on a Pitcher and possibly an Outfielder. If you trade Prince, you'll have anywhere from $25-$35MM to spend on a Pitcher or two and an Outfielder or First Baseman.
What would I do? I would start next offseason by shopping Prince as hard as I can. If I get the right offer, I pull the trigger. If it doesn't come, I add a solid pitcher and make a push for the World Series. Either way, I think the Brewers end up alright in 2011 and on.
So how about you? How would you construct 2011's roster?
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I apologize for the length
I guess I had a lot to say.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
good insight
but like you noted, alot can happen between now and then…
wow
great post, but if we trade prince you didn’t mention the players we would get and i don’t believe we will take prospects. good stuff
Rick Lang
Why wouldn't we take prospects?
I don’t know enough about other teams farm systems to even throw out ideas of who would come back in a trade, but I will say with nearly absolute certainty that if Prince is traded, it will be for prospects.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Furthermore
I didn’t mention any possible trade candidates by name. The only reason I mentioned certain FA candidates is because I was talking about certain roster spots that needed to be filled. For instance, there’s a clear need for Starting Pitching to replace Dave Bush and possibly Doug Davis. I through out some names, saying, hey, we have this much to spend, and here’s who is available…
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Excuse me
I didn’t mention any possible trade candidates by name.. because I had no way of knowing who we’d get back in a trade, and they won’t help the major league roster in 2011.
I never finished that sentence.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Before we go replacing Bush or Davis...
I think we need to find someone to fill Suppan’s spot… because he certainly won’t be back in 2011.
Well, I mean, there's still 5 pitchers with Suppan gone.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
trade
I know one of the Prince trades that is thrown around a lot is for Matt Cain straight up. What is his contract situation?
Cain is a great pitcher, but...
Matt Cain 2009 WAR: 3.6
Prince Fielder 2009 WAR: 6.8
They’re essentially the same age and are under team control for the same amount of time. I know it’s a scenario that people throw around a lot, but I’ve never understood why the Brewers would ever do that. Also, aren’t the Giants going with Sandoval at 1B now?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I haven't heard anything like that about Sandoval.
But I think they would be more than happy to leave him at third if they could trade for Prince.
Buster Posey
Is the current candidate to fill this spot.
by kingcharlesxii on Feb 18, 2010 6:45 PM CST up reply actions
If the Brewers would do Fielder/Cain
it would be something like Fielder for Cain + AA guy with some upside (think maybe Davis now)
by BrewCrewBrian on Feb 24, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions
The ideal Prince trade with the Giants, for me
starts with Madison Bumgarner
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Feb 18, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Fantasy scenario
If the Brewers do trade Fielder and a perfect storm scenario emerges where Glaus gets injured down the stretch with Atlanta in contention, would the Braves be foolish enough to give up Heyward 1:1? It sounds ridiculous, but it is the team that gave up three of the top prospects in the game for one year of Teixeira.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
That would be insane on the Braves part.
But if they were leading the NL when he went down, maybe they’d be interested in taking him on for other players.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Braves as a trading partner...
would be my fantasy scenario for Prince. Look what they gave up for Texiera (&Ron Mahay): Beau Jones, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Jarrod Saltalamacchia. Arguably 3 of the top 100 prospects in the game that year, and 4 players on the doorstep as everyday MLB starters.
Even assuming they’re feeling burnt by that, they’re still a top candidate based on supply & demand. Forget about Heyward, Teheran and Vizcaino may be the best young SP prospects in the country. Take one of them, maybe a vet like Melky Cabrera (for when Hart implodes), throw in a C+ prospect or 2 that Seid likes and you’ve got the beginnings of a deal.
Prince Trades
As asked earlier, Sandoval should still be at third for the Giants, as they signed Aubrey Huff. Granted, he may be done, and then Prince may look like a better option… but I don’t see anyway that Prince isn’t traded for prospects. Thats just how these kind of trades work at this point in time. There isn’t a one for one deal that would work for both sides, especially considering that the long term drawback for Prince is price, and anyone traded for him would likely command a similar amount. Prince would almost have to be moved for prospects, which should include at least one high end starter.




































