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by Kyle Lobner on Feb 17, 2010 9:12 AM CST
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It's kind of a weird day around here. Pitchers and catchers still haven't reported, so there's not much news to tell you about. That's not really surprising.
What I did find, though, was at least one story pertaining to almost every contentious debate we've had on this site since the end of the 2009 season, all published in the same 24 hours. So, my apologies if this feels a bit like a BCB clip show: That wasn't my intention, it's just the hand I was dealt.
On trading Prince Fielder: Rob Neyer thinks the Brewers need to seriously consider it. He makes the case that no player with Fielder's body type has ever gone on to enjoy a long and productive career, and thinks the Brewers could trade three or four wins in 2010 for a dozen wins down the road by dealing him.
On Rickie Weeks: Jerry Crasnick listed Weeks fourth on his list of players looking to rebound from a 2009 injury.
On 2010 projections: Matthew Pouliot of Hardball Talk (formerly Circling the Bases) has Ryan Braun (.575) and Fielder (.570) projected to have baseball's second and fourth highest slugging percentages, respectively. (Semi-related note: Adam McCalvy has a story on Braun's decision to choose baseball over soccer.)
On Corey Hart and arbitration: Tom Haudricourt notes that Corey Hart's arbitration win was likely used as precedent in Cody Ross's arbitration win over the Marlins. This means the Mets have successfully managed to screw three teams now, including themselves: By signing Jeff Francoeur for $5 million, they provided precedent for Corey Hart to get more than he's worth, which in turn provided precedent for Cody Ross to win his case. Ross will earn $4.45 million in 2010.
On Doug Davis and Randy Wolf: Hotstove.com recently asked three Brewer writers which new Brewer starting pitcher would have a better season in 2010. Here are the results.
On J.J. Hardy: The Minneapolis Star-Tribune has a profile of the Twins' new shortstop, telling some stories about Hardy that I'd never heard before. The story somehow manages to both give me a greater appreciation for some of the things Hardy's been through and make me feel a little better about the fact he's no longer a Brewer.
On Tony Gwynn, Jr.: A plurality of Gaslamp Ball readers are giving him a "1" on the Zero to Tony Gwynn scale.
On Felipe Lopez: Steve Henson of Yahoo listed Lopez third on his list of free agents that still need to find teams.
On Braden Looper: This should hardly come as a surprise, but Braden Looper was the starting pitcher on a day when the Brewers allowed hits to 12 different opposing batters, the most in the majors in 2009. Thanks to the B-Ref blog for pointing that out.
In the minors:
- Bernie's Crew unveiled their list of the top 30 Brewer prospects. Compared to our Community Prospect Rankings, they're a little higher on Cody Scarpetta (sixth), and lower on Caleb Gindl (16th).
- Brewers Bar has a look at the crowded rotation in Nashville, and some of the pitchers that might be left out.
- The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers announced that single game tickets will go on sale on March 6, and they'll also be holding the annual Rattler Rummage Sale that day.
- The Rattlers also have Twins GM Bill Smith (GM of the Appleton Foxes from 1983-1985) in their Interrogation Room.
Around baseball:
Nationals: Designated pitcher Doug Slaten for assignment.
Yankees: Signed pitcher Dustin Moseley to a minor league deal.
Elsewhere in the division, Wisconsin Sports Tap continued their series on the NL Central with a look at the Reds. For roughly the 27th straight season, the Reds will be a somewhat trendy pick to vault into contention, but I just don't see it.
John Sickels had some interesting comments this week that have turned into a notable discussion on statistical analysis in baseball. Sickels expressed some frustration and apathy with some of the statistical work being done and the attention paid to it, drawing responses from Tom Tango and others.
At the end of the day, I find myself in agreement with the sentiment I think Sickels is trying to express: I find the end result of statistical analysis useful and interesting, but I learned a long time ago that I'm not well-enough equipped to stand on the cutting edge of it. As such, I'm not really interested in the process, just the result.
There must not be much going on at Mets' camp in Port St. Lucie: Brian Costa of the Newark Star-Ledger has a story today on reserved parking spaces.
Happy birthday today to:
- 2009 Timber Rattler Maverick Lasker, who turns 20.
- 1981-83 Brewer Jamie Easterly, who turns 57.
That's all I have for you today, unless you really wanted to know about Ivy League basketball tiebreakers.
Drink up.
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since the end of the 2010 season?
Neat.
I guess I never thought about it, but Milwaukee is essentially tied for the smallest media market in baseball, with Cincinnati. Not so neat.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
it's interesting that our Radio market is smaller
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Ack.
Fixed
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 17, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Is it ok for me to be mad at Rob Neyer...
… for saying (or writing) out loud what I’ve been trying not to admit to myself for the past year?
Jerk.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 9:50 AM CST reply actions
If it's any consolation
I can’t see DM trading Fielder if there’s even a glimmer of a chance of re-signing him.
The smart move would be to trade Fielder now, especially while you have a decent replacement for him in Gamel - not only do you save all that salary and get nice Fielder shwag in return, but you have some say in where he’s playing. Like, the American League, where he won’t be hitting home runs off of you anytime soon. Preferably to a team that can sign him to a long-term extension.
One downside to keeping Fielder and letting him walk after next season is that Derrek Lee turns 35 this year, and I doubt the Cubs are going to sign him to another long-term deal after 2010. Do you really want to run the risk of Fielder signing as a Cub?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Why are people assuming we'll get a lot for Fielder?
I don’t understand the thought that the Brewers will get a treasure trove of talent for him, even if they trade him at the deadline this year rather than next year. We know every team is very careful with their prospects these days, even the likes of the Red Sox. Are there teams willing to give up MLB-ready young pitching for a first baseman even of MVP-quality? Has DM ever made a good move trading players for major league talent?
There’s something to be said for selling high, but only if you can find a buyer willing to buy high, too. I don’t have great faith that the Brewers are guaranteed to get even value for Fielder, let alone positive value.
(Neyer assumed Gamel will be a fine first baseman, but he’s got all of 3 games of professional experience at that position. Is it really that easy to plug a guy in at a new position at the major league level without it affecting the rest of his game, too? Not saying it’s a bad idea, but it’s not a slam dunk, either.)
Has DM ever made a good move trading players for major league talent?
Podsednik for Carlos Lee wasn’t bad.
Shouse was solid
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 17, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
So he’s no better or worse than an average GM on the trading block. I’m still not convinced it’s a slam dunk that they get equal value in return.
What do you think equal value is?
According to the Trade Value Calculator available from Beyond the Boxscore, he has about $35 million in surplus value, which equates to about 3 pitchers in the 75-100 part of the Baseball America Top 100 Prospects list as well as a B rated prospect by John Sickels.
I think the error that a lot of people make is that this is a future value type of question. On the face of it a trade involving Fielder for prospects is going to look pretty bad in a equal value equation. The matter of salary due and potential is ignored there as well.
Aim lower
I dont think MLB pitching is what they should be looking for in return.
The Tex trade to the Braves is the model. The Rangers got one MLB ready prospect and then the other guys were 2 years away. I.e. The Brewers could still get a nice prospect package for Fielder, maybe 4 players in all, but 3 of them would probably have to be A ball pitchers with very high ceilings.
My guess is that the Rays, A’s and Rangers are the teams to deal with, as they may be inclined to make a big push for a ’10 playoff spot, and then turn around and deal him away next offseason. All of those teams have very nice farm systems to pluck.
For some reason, my SBN stopped updating, so I posted my Teixeira comment before I'd seen this one
But you essentially make my point in a few more words.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
If you mean
As far as waiting until the season before the end of his contract to trade him
Yes.
But the flip side of that is the Halladay trade recently made between the Phillies and Blue Jays. If you ask me, the Jays got a hell of a deal with a top 50 pitching prospect, one of the best OF prospects out there (who they immediately traded to the A’s for a 1B) and a catcher who is also 2 years away.
I think as far as the Twins go, it has worked out quite well for them depite that trade. The Brewers dont quite have the developmental track record that the Twins do in the minor leagues do to help offset a bad trade.
We'll see re: Halladay
Johan was traded for the Met’s 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 7th best prospects in what was then a pretty good system. I think the Twins would have been better off to have Johan in 2008 when they won 88 games and lost in a 1 game playoff, and then could take the draft picks when he walked.
I see the logic in trading Fielder now and not necessarily against it, but I don’t subscribe to the theory that Fielder trade now automatically makes the Brewers into a contender in 2011 or 2012 or that it is a no-brainer for DM to do.
Perhaps my cynicism is from watching pitching prospect after pitching prospect struggle as they work their way up the Brewers system, but I have a hard time getting excited for pitchers in A ball.
Get a ife broseph
See also:
Teixeira, Mark
Why wouldn’t anyone think the Brewers will get a haul for Fielder?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
People on this site
Have been trying to say the exact same thing that Neyer did. He just has a bigger microphone.
I completely agree with whats written in the article. Trading Fielder in exchange for a 77 win season versus an 81 win season is the practical thing to do. I dont believe DM is very practical though (same goes for MA). I dont even think they ship him in July (unless they are in last place and long out of the race).
I have come to like Fielder as a player and can appreciate the power he has. I was never a big fan of his until recently, but I’d much rather see them ship him and get a prospect bounty in return, win 77 this year and in ‘11, ’12, and beyond be a mid 80’s low 90s winning team because of the pitching they would get in return for him.
From a baseball perspective, trading him might be the right thing to do...
… from a business perspective, I’m not so sure.
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It would take rebranding
And a focus shift from the marketing peeps to focus on “Building a better future”. Shifting from having Fielder on every ad to making Braun the sole focus of the future. Hitch the franchise to him. There would be a lot of push back against the move, but they need to pull a Fox News and just use the same catch phrase that it’s the best for the future every time they open their mouth.
I don’t see them moving him, for the same reasons back said.
Not if it's seen as a short term sacrifice.
If the Brewers send the message that they’re punting away 2010 and draw 2 million fans instead of 3 million, that’s a million fans worth of ticket revenue that won’t be around next year.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 17, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
^^This
Also, every team has at least one guy that’s highly marketable (read: big $$$). Prince is one of those guys.
Basically we’d be trading present revenue for potential future revenue, which is only a good business idea if (Potential Future Revenue x Probability of Realization) > Present Revenue.
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Yeah I get it
I just dont include myself as one of the people that would be “driven away” by a move like this.
I think the art of prospect evaluation has progressed a bit over the past few years. This years (as well as) last years Texas Rangers are a great example of what happens to the fortunes of your team if you make a good long term move instead of holding onto a guy for a few more wins. Now the Rangers werent really contenders back then, but I dont feel the Brewers are this year either. The point is that 2 years after the trade, the Rangers are contenders and should be for quite a few years because of the trade they made with the Braves.
So I dont see the potential future revenue or probability numbers in your eqation above to be all that worrisome.
I don’t think getting a couple prospects for fielder (even if they have a 90%+ Hit probability) is going to make the brewers any more of contenders in 2012+ than they are now.
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by Mykenk on Feb 17, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I whole-heartedly disagree
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 1:46 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough.
We’ve got good offense, not so good pitching right now.
Trading fielder for pitching prospects leads to potentially good pitching, not so good offense later on.
Shruggity.
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Not really
Unless you think Kentrail Davis, Logan Schafer, Caleb Gindl, Brett Lawrie, D’Vontrey RIchardson, Mat Gamel, Jon LuCroy, Lorenzo Cain, Taylor Green, Scooter Gennet etc aren’t going to provide any kind of offensive talent.
I think that a trade of Fielder for primarily pitching and possibly a little offense will make the future look quite bright.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 1:54 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe
Assuming the acquired pitchers actually pan out, and assuming a fair number of the offensive prospects do to.
It’s a question of a known commodity vs. an unknown commodity. Sure, at some point you have to take a risk with the unknowns, I’m just leery of the Brewers ability to develop a pitching prospect.
Although if the pitching prospects don’t pan out, we’d just be maintaining the status quo, solid offense, shaky pitching… hmmm
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Yes, but Fielder is gone in free agency anway.
It really is nearly a foregone conclusion. Why not get some return?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
Agreed, don't let him make it to FA as a Brewer
I’m just not sold on trading him this season or offseason… yet.
Shruggity
I agree
I think his value would be just as high (if not higher with another great season) if the Brewers go to arbitration after this season, sign him, then trade him sometime before he hits free agency.
Look at the Teixeira trade from Atlanta to Anaheim
if you want a comparison: Angels get Teixeira, Braves get Casey Kotchman and pitching prospect Stephen Marek.
I’d much rather be on the Texas side of the trade that sent Teixeira to Atlanta, than on the Atlanta side of that trade.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 10:42 PM CST up reply actions
True
Although the Atlanta/Angels trade was only for a half-season of Teixeira.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I thought that's what the above posters were implying
Since Fielder will hit free agency after the 2011 season, and they don’t want to trade him this season or next off-season, that says a mid-season trade to me.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 18, 2010 8:42 PM CST up reply actions
Please change your sig line to: Shruggity.
It makes me smile.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Not to mention
That you then get those prospects in your system, and your player development staff, if you have a good one, can turn these players into MLB ready arms/bats/gloves to suit your team philosophy.
So, step 1, get a good player development staff?
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I think the Brewers would maintain
That they already have one.
Id have to agree, at least on the offensive side of things.
And it wouldnt be a couple of prospects, it would be more like 3 or 4, all with moderately high ceilings. Lets just say for instance that the Rays took him for the year and gave back 3 of their big pitching prospects currently in A ball as well as Reid Brignac.
Brignac has lost some luster lately and still doesnt really have a place to play in TB. The Brewers send them Fielder and they get a ready made 2b or 3b for 6 years at a higher level than McGehee, and then 3 top of the rotation type of pitchers who are ready by 2012 or 2013. Those ’12 and beyond years you are hopefully getting maybe 10 WAR from 4 players vs the 4 you get from Fielder this year.
Can we have the Rays Pitching development staff too?
All the brewers have managed to do is Gallardo, who has the potential to be awesome, but has it in his head that his goal is to take everyone to a 3-2 count, and Parra, whose issues have been very well documented.
Point is, I trust the Brewers with Prince far more than I trust them with 3 A-ball maybes.
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by Mykenk on Feb 17, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, you can't forget Sheets, as well, although he was drafted in '99, so pre-Melvin
But he did come through the system while Melvin was there. Whether you want to give that credit to his regime or the previous regime is up for debate, however.
But, I agree. The pitching development program is not good. I know Supertramp wants to argue that it was just fine, and there were injuries, and that the focus was offense, but I disagree. In fact, if you look at Sheets’ conditioning, its a wonder he didn’t suffer more setbacks, and not surprising that Jones, Rogers, etc did.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
You want to
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
either that of you just like to play contrarian with me
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 3:59 PM CST up reply actions
I would never do such a thing...
I believe my only point in our back and forth from last week was that I don’t see any evidence that a philosophy shift has occured from Jack Z to Seid, especially since Seid has said there was no shift in philosophy.
I also argued that it is way to early to say that Seid is anymore “successful” in developing pitchers than Jack Z was.
I don’t think one could possibly argue that the Brewers pitching development has been good the past few years because it hasn’t.
Get a ife broseph
I don't think it's that bad
As I’ve argued on the issue before, even having just Gallardo and Parra is quite good (depending on your outlook on Parra’s future). How many teams have a 23 year-old future ace in the major leagues? And Rogers/Jeffress weren’t the fault of the Brewers development staff.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
How do you know that?
I understand attrition in young pitchers is high, but not being able to prevent injuries to 2 of your number one picks, and Parra’s history, and Braddock’s history, and Sheets’ history…it really smacks of a poor development program. I think the inability to see the ‘character flaws’ that Jeffress possesses is a scouting fail as well. Also, a maturity question with Jeffress, who was a high school pick. The Brewers have shown the desire to go with college pitching recently, and it is a good move in my opinion.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 17, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Jefress
it’s always possible the coaching staff put “too much pressure” on him, which caused him to run back to the bong.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 18, 2010 6:41 AM CST up reply actions
In my fanpost, I discuss how the roster could shape up in 2011 if he's traded
It could be pretty damn good before those prospects we get in a return package even reach the majors.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I can't see them maintaining that high of a payroll if they trade fielder.
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i think it depends...
…they were willing to increase the payroll to resign CC (at least that was the posturing). you could argue that fielder fits in that same mold of player (i mean performance, not size).
anyway, i’ve come to believe that milwaukee will have a few windows of opportunity to make runs, and this season is one of those. if the brewers stink by the all-star break, i think you have to listen to offers. but hopefully they can make a playoff run this year.
if they get into the playoffs (or wildly miss it), then i think you trade him for a decent package, if you can get it. mark and doug will probably want to offset some disappointment in the fanbase by using that money on other acquisitions (pitching, second tier OF). i think you’re right, not all of the suppan/ hall/ fielder money would be spent on “offsetting” players, but some will.
by Capt Science on Feb 17, 2010 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good point, but I'm not sure that I totally agree with it.
If he’s traded at the All-Star break, it’s because the team is out of contention, and we probably won’t reach 3 Million fans again. Then we probably wouldn’t be able to maintain an $85 MM payroll. However, if they keep him til the offseason and then unload him, the season tickets will have already been renewed, and I think payroll will remain at that high level.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Oh I'm well aware of the fact that some here (and elsewhere), have previously advocated for dealing Fielder.
I just like and respect Neyer’s opinion, which is what caused my reaction. But hey, thanks for the condescension.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 1:19 PM CST up reply actions
Dude
There wasnt any condescension there nor intended.
I was simply making a statement about the article, piggy backing off of yours. I get that you dont like me, but no need to be on the defensive or attack mode when replying to me.
If I misinterpreted your intent with your first paragraph...
… then I apologize, though I don’t think my read of it is unreasonable. My point in making my original comment wasn’t to suggest that Neyer’s idea was something I’d never heard before anywhere else, simply that my respect for Neyer makes it harder for me to continue to deny the arguments in favor of dealing Prince before the team loses him in free agency.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 2:36 PM CST up reply actions
Gotcha
Dont sweat the other stuff. I kind of saw a tongue in cheekness in the original post.
Kind of like when your wife (if youre married) points something out to you that you have vehemently denied, and your response is just “ah crap”. Then followed up by a smirk.
With Scott Boras
The choice isn’t ours, Prince was gone the moment he chose his agent. Our decision is when, and what to get in return.
I think DM got a fair deal on his arbitration buyout
With or without Boras, Fielder would be worth a ton on the FA market and wouldn’t be sticking around. DM and Boras came to a fair deal without undue animosity when they bought out 2 arbitration years. Sure, Boras had little to no leverage, but I don’t know that that’s stopped him before from finding ways to try to hold a club hostage.
Boras
I think that what he did with Fielder and the Brewers as well as Teixiera and the Rangers when he bought out those 2 arb years, actually was a favor to those teams. If the Brewers hadnt locked up those 2 years, it probably would have cost them more in Arb cases they probably would have lost if Boras hadnt thrown that bone.
I think he is notorious for having teams bid against themselves when it comes to FA signees. That wouldnt be the case if Fielder went to FA for the Brewers, because other teams would be in the mix.
He gets his guys into the big markets with big deals, thats what he does. Fielder hired him with that goal in mind. If anyone is holding someone hostage, Fielder should take some blame as well. (Maybe he is the one that is tying DM’s hands while Boras beats him over the head)
Not sure I understand your sentiment
The story somehow manages to both give me a greater appreciation for some of the things Hardy’s been through and make me feel a little better about the fact he’s no longer a Brewer.
So you mean, you’re glad he’s getting a fresh start with a manager that might understand him or that you’re glad to have a basket case off our hands?
His quote about how he should’ve asked for some time off made me a bit upset. There’s an element of bringing it upon himself. That said, the Brewers dumping him in AAA to keep his major league service time was bad form. Why bother increasing his trade value when you’re willing to accept 25 cents on the dollar, anyway?
His quote about how he should’ve asked for some time off made me a bit upset
Why? All the other woefully underperforming players got plenty of time off.
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Gritty von Canthitalick
At least that’s my guess at who he’s referring to.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
Somehow I've blocked him out of my mind now that he's no longer with the team.
I was thinking you meant Suppan at first, but that wouldn’t be true since he’s easy to stash on the DL for a couple weeks at a time.
JK did get SOME time off, definitely not “plenty”.
So you mean, you’re glad he’s getting a fresh start with a manager that might understand him or that you’re glad to have a basket case off our hands?
Yes on both counts. I’m glad he’s getting another shot, and also glad the Brewers aren’t counting on him.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 17, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Slow down?
Hardy said. “I felt like the day just sped up on me. I felt like the day was going 100 miles an hour for me.” The Twins believe that Hardy, 27, will slow down….
Hardy and slow down in the same sentence? I don’t think you will ever see that in print again.
by statsllc on Feb 17, 2010 12:47 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
trading 3-4 wins on the season
for 12 overall, isn’t for sure a good deal. Could we get 1-2 out of him the next season and the season after that? Maybe I’d rather have more fewer wins total in fewer years (for a higher rate) than “clog up the basepaths” with a lower rate over more years. It also goes back to the question of what years are wins going to be worth the most. One win above .500 doesn’t mean nearly as much as one win above the next-best team in the division.
Note, by that, I’m thinking that it might be better to trade away Fielder, as I don’t think we have a shot of being DC/WCW for 2010 and only a marginal one at 2011, but I am a touch pessimistic.
Too true.
If giving up 3-4 wins this year means going from the 85-89 range to 81-85, and the “12 overall” convert a series of 70- win teams into 74 win teams, I don’t see how anyone can make a rational argument that trading Fielder is a good idea. I realize virtually no one has the Brewers projected to win 85 games, and if you accept that we’re really a 78-82 win club in 2010, the argument for dealing him gets a lot better. But, perhaps because it’s mid-February, I don’t know how convinced I am that this team won’t win 85 with its current roster…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
70 win teams in 2012?
That’s it?
We’ll have a young core of Gallardo, Braun, Lawrie, Gamel, Gomez, Lucroy, and probably somebody from the Fielder trade, plus a whole lot of money to spend.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I was speaking hypothetically.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
And maybe not so brightly...
… though of course assuming that Gamel, Gomez and Lucroy are actually going to turn out to be productive at the major league level might be a little dangerous.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 17, 2010 6:35 PM CST up reply actions
in other news
i was watching women’s curling on cnbc last night, when they showed debbie mccormick and noted that she’s a big packers and brewers fan (as she’s from wisconsin). they didn’t mention any such fact about some of the other curlers, including the others with wisconsin ties. (cough cough)
that might be old hat to those of you in wisconsin, but i’m out of state and thought it was nice to hear.
Basketball tie-breaker
Leave it to the academically oriented Ivy League to have a sensible, easily understandable tie-breaking procedure.
how does the coin flipoff work for 3-way situations
round robin after 1 round could easily result in a tie.
or do you give a first round coin-flip bye arbitrarily?
what you need is a D&D-style n-sided die.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 17, 2010 3:23 PM CST up reply actions
I've always wondered about that
Coin flips are so 19th century. We have d10’s and d20’s. I want a weighted coin flip.
“Team A by virtue of overall record and point differential will get to rule 2d8 + 1 while Team B will be rolling 2d6 to determine the kick off”
Really, who wouldn’t want to see a 255 lbs lineman bending over a table at midfield trying to make out the numbers on his officially-licensed NFL Kickoff Dice?
Too many variables in a Fielder trade.
There has to be interested teams. We all know thats not a problem because of his talents, but it would be a reflection of a teams need of a major upgrade at first, while willing to give the pay and lose prospects/mlb ready players. So how many teams would be serious to make a trade worth while to the Brewers while not thinning out their own farm system. In my opinion, the crew needs to hold on to Prince until its obvious that he has no intentions of returning. Besides, doesnt anyone think teams would just wait until FA so they wouldnt have to lose prospects?
by Mr. McGehee on Feb 17, 2010 5:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
It would be nice
to see the teams that could potentially use a major upgrade at 1b or DH, and who could afford the salary, who could be in contention enough to work it, and who has the prospects to make it work…Over the next 3 years…
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