Friday's Frosty Mug
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 9:13 AM CST
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Some things to read while starting over from the beginning.
We're roughly 24 hours away from pitchers and catchers officially reporting to spring training in Maryvale, and Adam McCalvy sat down with Ken Macha this week to get his thoughts on the upcoming season. The link is worth a click, but here's a summary if you're pressed for time: Macha acknowledges that he got off to a rough start with the team last spring. His strategy for 2010 is to do the same thing and hope they respond differently. Best of luck with that.
Aside from that, yesterday's biggest news was the unveiling of a new alternate away jersey, with "Milwaukee" written across the chest instead of "Brewers." Clearly, this will make them easier to ship home after road trips. You can pick one up at the Brewer team store at Miller Park or at the park in Maryvale, and receive free tickets to upcoming games as part of the deal.
The Wisconsin Timber Rattlers dominate our minor league notes today:
- The season finale of The Offseason is up, containing all your favorite memories from its brief existence.
- Meanwhile, Rattler Radio has a song that will be stuck in your head all day.
On Power Rankings and whatnot:
- Larry Dobrow of CBS Sports has the Brewers 22nd, 4th in the NL Central. (h/t BBTF)
- Twinkie Town has the Brewers 16th, projected for 79.8 wins, and third in the Central.
There's still time to sign up to win free stuff in the final days of our Brewer Advent Calendar: You have until 4 pm today to sign up to win a WhatifSports Gift Certificate, and until 4 pm tomorrow to sign up to win a ball autographed by members of the 2009 Huntsville Stars. Before you sign off for the day today, be sure to check back here at 4 for the final giveaway.
Around baseball:
Angels: Avoided arbitration with Erick Aybar, who will earn $2.05 million in 2010.
Astros: Won their arbitration case with Wandy Rodriguez, who will earn $5 million in 2010.
Dodgers: Signed Eric Gagne to a minor league deal.
Marlins: Signed reliever Mike MacDougal to a minor league deal.
Nationals: Starter Ross Detwiler underwent surgery to repair a torn hip flexor and will not be ready in time for Opening Day.
Pirates: Reliever Joel Hanrahan has been diagnosed with a flexor pronator strain in his right elbow and may not be ready for Opening Day.
Looking for a buy-low candidate this spring? The Marlins are reportedly upset with reliever Renyel Pinto, who missed the team's mandatory Fan Fest activities. Pinto has a 3.70 ERA in 224 career relief appearances (including a 3.23 ERA in 73 appearances last season), so this seems like a somewhat silly thing to get worked up over.
Wisconsin Sports Tap completed their five part NL Central Preview series today with a look at the Cardinals. They note some injury risks and potential regressions, but arrive at a conclusion we'll probably all reach sooner or later: This is a pretty good team and the odds-on favorite to win the Central.
Happy birthday to former Brewer pitching coach Dave Stewart, who turns 53.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're trying to figure out how much to tip the pizza guy. (h/t C. Trent Rosecrans)
Drink up.
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The Gagne Saga comes full circle...
What are the odds on him making an apperance this year in the majors?
by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 19, 2010 9:22 AM CST reply actions
Odds! He asked for odds!
3:1
You and your silly probabilities.
by ecocd on Feb 19, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I got the idea
But more examples help, maybe a pie chart?
by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 19, 2010 9:29 AM CST up reply actions
so...
3:1 yes he will make an appearance
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I think I finally understand
The brewer’s colors are a nice touch too
by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 19, 2010 9:59 AM CST up reply actions
Wow
The dude pitched (poorly) in a low-level independent league last year after being released for refusing to have surgery, and you’re willing to give me a 300% return on a bet that he won’t pitch in the majors this year? Can I bet my house?
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Non-guaranteed, minor league
And even then, I’m not sure it’s a great investment.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair, thefreewheelin76
didn’t ask for the odds that Gagne would make a good appearance this year. He also didn’t specify which “majors.” Gagne could always make it to the top level of a Canadian baseball league.
100%
He’ll be in Spring Training Camp. So he will be in a Dodgers jersey. After that? Maybe 10 %. Gagne is getting old. The Dodgers would have to have some kind of injury (or a lot of them) in order for Gagne to be called up. He’s not even on the 40 man right now. So they would have to let someone else pass threw waivers before Gagne pitches in the regular season
Hmmm...
Didn’t think the post would get dissected this much. Appearance=Throwing a pitch in a Major League Game. And my guess is if he makes that pitch it will not be in a critical situation in a game and definatly not the season. My percentage is <10%.
by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
I think I'd go less than 10%, too.
Actually, since team doctors told him he needed surgery last spring and he still hasn’t had it, I’d be relatively surprised if he passes his ST physical.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
i don't recall where i read it
but he says he’s fine and throwing in the high ’80’s. he does realize that he won’t close and will be in middle relief situations. just wish he realized that 2 years ago.
by Capt Science on Feb 19, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Never underestimate Eric Gagne
If there is a fire to be put out, he will find a way to pour gas on it.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Easy Sporcle?
Could someone make a laughable Sporcle quiz like, “Name the two Brewers with the most RBI in 2009” so I can feel good about myself?
Hey, quick question for you...
Who were the two Brewers with the most RBIs in 2009?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 10:09 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe not quite that easy as it is more than 2009...
by Infield Fly Rule on Feb 19, 2010 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Easy one
Here ya go, just for you -
Easy Brewer Sporcle
by nullacct on Feb 19, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ryan Braun doesn't play right field.
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by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
so...the answer is corey hart?
didn’t see that coming.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Corey Hart, the Hebrew Hammer!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
maybe one
“The world’s largest vegetarian”
Elephants, Hippos and Rhinos are no slouches. And there might be a non-krill non-fish eating whale. Ostriches may be as well.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Unless I'm confused...
… I don’t think he is. Ostriches range between 7 and 9ft tall and weigh up to 350lbs.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 19, 2010 4:46 PM CST up reply actions
12:55 left
I suxxor
had problems with the song “you mean it’s not called Roll out the Barrel” – my next thought was “Zing Boom Tarerrel” and was wondering if I had some punctionation wrong.
I still find the spelling for #1 tough:P
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Marlins & Pinto
They need to cut payroll somewhere because Cody Ross won his hearing.
by TheJay on Feb 19, 2010 9:33 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
I really don't understand
4th place? Worse than last season?
Really?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Rule 1 of projections:
Always be conservative. That way, you’re smart if you’re right, and if you’re wrong, no one cares.
Shruggity
Wouldn't the same hold true if you were aggressive with your predictions?
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Nah.
If I projected the Brewers to finish first and they finish fourth, some people (the people that overreact to things like power rankings and pre-season projections) would be upset…
If I projected them to finish fourth and they finish first, they’re okay with it.
Note that my audience is all brewer fans. And not smart ones either, smart ones don’t think of preseason projections as anything more than somewhat educated guesses.
Shruggity
Sports illustraded picked all 6 playoff teams from last year to make the playoffs. Not one new team? How often does that happen? That every team that made the playoffs makes it the next year?
Is there one you disagree with, though?
Of the Yankees, Red Sox, Twins, Angels, Phillies, Cardinals, Dodgers and Rockies, I’m not sure there’s a single team that shouldn’t be a favorite to make the playoffs.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I think you could make an argument for the Braves over the Rockies.
Or possibly the Cubs or Brewers.
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I think the Cardinals are a clear favorite to win the Central.
Not that the Brewers or Cubs can’t win it – I just don’t think they deserve to be the favorites.
Braves over Rockies I can see – but I think the Rockies have a really good shot at the playoffs because the NL West is down.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
I was talking Brewers, Cubs or Braves for wild card.
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have the Rockies ever had two good years in a row?
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
I also think the mariners will win the AL West.
They got a lot better this offseason, and the Angels got worse. That could be a fun race to watch.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I could see the Sox winning the Division and the Yanks as Wildcard. You could make a case for The Twins not making it. I don’t really see the Rockies making it. I would put my money on the Giants or Marlins or Braves. I think there is just to much compitition to say EVERY team will make the playoffs again.
How's that investment in US Spats doing?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 19, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
All 6?
Did you mean all six division winners?
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
Someone (Yahoo I think?) had a bunch of experts pick all the W-L records of teams
Half of them didn’t bother to make them evenly add up. So they wound up with an impossible amount of wins.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I would be far from shocked
if we only won 78. I would be more surprised if we won 90.
by Braunstalker on Feb 19, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Pre Sale
So everyone has heard about how the Cubs have offered fans to buy tickets before they all went on sale today for a premium of about 15% above face. (I bring this up now because I am in the virtual Cubs waiting room to get my yearly tickets to a game at Wrigley).
But it got me thinking…How soon before the Brewers start to offer that type of deal? I figure its a great money maker for the team but you probably have to have the demand first.
people still WANT to go to Wrigley?
Better question: How long until that dump falls apart?
Shruggity
I love Wrigley
Sounds like maybe the Ricketts family is going to maybe try and do a bunch of repairs in the next few years, kind of like what happened with Soldier Field.
They can't repair the fans' damaged souls, though.
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by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't think it's going to go that far
i think it’ll be more along the lines of what you see at fenway. the triangle building, etc… was all in plan prior to the sale, but the new ownership gets to implement it and take credit.
by Capt Science on Feb 19, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
Quite a ways, I would imagine
It works for the Cubs because everyone knows that every game will sell out, with the majority of tickets going to season ticket holders. Until the Brewers are selling out almost every June-October game by late May it won’t work.
But when they hit the 3 million mark for attendance this year expect either parking or admission to increase for 2011. Maybe both.
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 19, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
It appears
as if quite a few people took part in the pre sale. Because when I was able to get in to buy tickets, I was looking for 4 seats for a day game during the week (granted it was a Friday), and couldnt even get 4 in a row. Of the 3 games I was looking at, couldnt even get 2 together anymore.
Looks like Stub Hub will be the way to go.
Got my tickets just now
For the Brewers series in August.
The Cubs have most of their games sell out the day that tickets go on sale so they can charge the 20% increase.
If the Brewers did that, people would just wait until the regular priced tickets when on sale and buy them then since there isn’t much incentive to buy them early.
Get a ife broseph
4 straight years now
I have to wait until I get home to get them.
We’re trying for June against the Angels on Friday. Wife was able to get in but couldnt buy 4 tickets. From the looks of it, we may have to go stub hub if we want that day. Ugh.
Did you open up a ton of waiting rooms?
I kept trying after I got in and got the “too many requests” message. After a while I was able to get through and purchase.
Get a ife broseph
Or do like I do
Wait until a couple of weeks before a game you want to attend, and buy them on Craigslist or Ebay at a huge discount because people bought tickets in March for September games they’re not sure they’ll be able to attend.
I got 12 tickets for less than the face value of 3 in September that way.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
That also depends on how the team is doing
I got tickets a few rows behind the dugout at Wrigley for $20 for the September Cubs/Brewer series. It was a much more expensive ticket in 2008.
Get a ife broseph
So, now that you're in Wisco, do you plan on going to more games this year?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Tough to say, really.
I’m only 100 miles away now, so it’s certainly more accessible than it used to be.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
If the Cubs are out of the race, the tickets are practically given away...
When I lived in Wrigleyville I could walk to Wrigley and get plenty of offers for tickets at face, or below if they were deperate.
by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 19, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I'm gonna throw this out there, and I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority.
I am a big Ken Macha fan.
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by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 10:24 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I'm in that minority with you.
Shruggity
by Mykenk on Feb 19, 2010 10:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I really like his straightforward, tell-it-like-it-is attitude.
Frankly, I don’t give a damn if he’s buddy-buddy with the players. If you perform, you earn playing time. If you don’t, you get to know the bench. He’s a really smart guy, and I think he manages the game very well.
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by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 10:30 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
*cough* Bill Hall *cough* Jason Kendall *cough*
I’m not saying I think he’s a bad manager and we could do much worse, but I’m not going to say I’m a “big” fan.
Wait, Macha signs the players?
Rivera didn’t do all that well when he started getting regular play either, who’d you want catching?
Shruggity
by Mykenk on Feb 19, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No, but he puts them on the lineup card.
And he does things like start Counsell at third while McGehee and Gamel sat the bench in September. Or back to back Labor Day weekend starts for Corey Patterson.
I can accept the “players don’t need to like the manager” argument. But they need to be able to communicate with him. His comment last fall about having an open door, but the players weren’t coming in spoke volumes about how much communication was going on.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
But we don't know whose fault that was.
Was he really not that open, or did the players not try?
Shruggity
Does it matter?
You can’t fire the players. If you have a manager that can’t communicate effectively with them, then he’s not the right fit for the job.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
I think it does matter.
My boss has an open door policy, but if there’s a communication issue, and the employees aren’t going to him about it, should he be fired?
Maybe they should FORCE the players to talk to the manager?
Shruggity
by Mykenk on Feb 19, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we can all be happy
he isn’t Dusty Baker.
by Braunstalker on Feb 19, 2010 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
Or covered in Anthrax.
I wouldn’t like him as much.
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You're comparing Dusty and Cooper to Anthrax?
I’ve heard of “cancer in a clubhouse,” but not Anthrax. Maybe we can come up with an acronym so we can use it on a regular basis. I don’t think it’ll ever make Sportscenter, though.
he's a real clubhouse-anthrax-laced-envelope?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
btw, I wasn't comparing those guys to anthrax.
It wasn’t meant to be specific to any certain manager, I was just taking things to the next level.
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I would like Macha way more
When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved
by Getting Yosted on Feb 19, 2010 11:52 AM CST up reply actions
I guess it depends on why they're not talking to him.
We might never know the answer to that, but I’m guessing someone who’s around the clubhouse knows.
But really, what are the list of reasons for players to openly avoid dealing with the manager? How many of them wouldn’t be the manager’s fault?
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Feb 19, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
Maybe they fear his blackbelt.
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If the players don’t like what Macha does about their suggestions and therefore do not go to him with future ones, that’s the players fault.
But you’re right, for the most part, it’s probably the Manager’s fault.
Shruggity
If the players don’t like what Macha does about their suggestions and therefore do not go to him with future ones, that’s the players fault.
I’m willing to give partial credit for that, because we all know that guy who assumes you’re not paying attention just because you disagree.
With that said, if a player tries to address a concern, doesn’t get it addressed and doesn’t go back in the future because he feels Macha wasn’t listening, doesn’t care or will retaliate against dissension, then it’s back to being his fault.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
They aren’t going to go to him with problems if they don’t’ trust him either. Macha never really went out and backed his players on the field. We can argue back and forth about whether he should get kicked out of games and argue calls, but I get the feeling that players, not all, didn’t exactly trust him.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
To the first question... yes, particularly if the company is going down the tubes.
As KLSnow pointed out, you don’t fire the entire team, you fire management.
Not only started him
on back to back days but also had him batting leadoff.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
JJ Hardy, *cough*
I don’t know. I think he had Kendall in there because all of the pitchers raved about his defense. I’d rather have had Rivera playing another game every week, but I don’t think he would have performed much better.
There’s a few cases where he left players in the lineup too much, but I’m not entirely sure how much input DM has in that aspect.
He certainly gives his players ample oppurtunities to get out of their slumps, but he draws the line.
Bill Hall lost his starting job in June. I don’t think that’s necessarily unfair. He was given the oppurtunity during April and May.
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Macha’s gonna get talked about no matter what he does. You gotta have some amount of trust in your players. It’s not his fault that Jeff Suppan can’t pitch. It’s not his fault that Doug Melvin didn’t give him the players to do the job. I think Macha made the most outta what he got. Could he have done better? Yeah, probably. But he’s not the only one to blame. Melvin’s inactivity during the offseason, Hardy having one foot out the door, Hart thinkin we hate him, Hart being right about a lot of us, all these things account for the sub 500 record. But that’s why Hardy is in a Twins jersey, and why Doug Davis, Randy Wolf, Gregg Zaun and LaTroy Hawkins are brewers now. Gotta give Macha a chance. If he doesn’t get us above 500 this year, than he should get fired. If we are in the hunt come september, than he should stay.
I think the following applies to Macha.
Insanity is doing the same thing the same way and expecting a different result.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Possibly, but it's also impossible to change your personality, so why expect anything different?
Shruggity
Maybe because it alienate many players.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
Its not impossible to alter your personality
But the first step in any kind of change is a desire to do so…for whatever reason you so choose.
That’s akin to believing that fate is what guides your life, and free will is, in fact, a series of events that you think you are choosing but in fact are pre-determined.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 19, 2010 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
when did this
turn into a Lost site?
Q: Did you ever scout Corey Hart? What seems to be holding him back from being a good hitter for AVG?
A: The slider away. And that facial hair.
-Keith Law ESPN chat 2/11/10
by molitorfan on Feb 20, 2010 8:36 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Well he's not doing everything the same.
His approach to small ball is changing this year, so he says.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I see what you're trying to say...
but it doesn’t apply to Macha’s decisions.
All MLB managers try things (lineups, players, etc.) at least a couple times before giving up. Too many things change between games for that statement to really be applicable.
I might be a little biased because he's a civil engineer, though.
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Rick Peterson
Great interview if you’re interested in the biomechanics of a pitcher.
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Brewer's On Deck Event
Is on FSN right now if anyone is interested.
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
Re: Tipping the pizza man
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2010 12:20 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
That *thud, thud, thud* sound you hear
Is me banging my head on my desk.
There’s nothing worse than THAT guy: too cheap to perform accepted societal conventions (like tipping a guy who brings food to your house) and too lazy to avoid the problem.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Its all about the delivery charge.
It’s unnecessary
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2010 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's the equivalent of the "handling" charge on tickets...
… only in this case, somethings actually being handled, which makes the cost more justifiable.
You believe it should cost the same to pick up a pizza or have it delivered?
You are wrong. Additional service = additional price.
Shruggity
We don't agree often
And when we do, it’s usually a sign that we’re way off topic.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Right, but why charge the customer that additional price twice for the same service?
If you really need to charge people for the tiny wage you pay your delivery driver, you shouldn’t even be offering delivery.
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by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 2:12 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
it's for the same service, though.
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by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You could say the same thing at a restaurant though.
The waitress cost is built into the food, so why should we tip on top of that?
Just because restaurants don’t have a line that says “waitress charge” doesn’t mean you’re not paying for it, they just roll it into the cost of the food.
If all pizza places raised their prices by 2 dollars, and eliminated the delivery charge, people would complain much more than they do about the delivery charge.
Shruggity
And it'd be significantly more unfair
Because the people who pick up their pizza would be paying for service they’re not using.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Well, you could reverse engineer it
Everyone pays $2 more, unless you come in and get the “carry out discount.”
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Glass Nickel
Does this if you pay cash.
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
In Oregon they don't have self-service gas stations.
Everyone has to use full-service.
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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
Madison doesn't have self-service gas stations either
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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
Plus there is a contrarian tax as well
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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
I think you might be confusing self service and full service
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 2:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When'd that start?
I used to fill up in Madison on my way to Des Moines all the time… until ’06.
Shruggity
I've filled up in Madison within the last month or two
If you have to use full-service in Madison now I suppose I should get that done a couple times to get used to the weirdness before I go to Oregon this summer.
I'm still pumping myself
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 19, 2010 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm gonna leave that one alone
too much of a layup.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was going to add the requisite letters, but I thought it would be more fun to see if one of you fellas would
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
Same in New Jersey
It’s a labor union thing, it’s still cheaper than New York gas somehow.
by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 19, 2010 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
Probably a gas tax thing.
If gas is more expensive in one state, their registration fees are generally higher. It’s how state transportation funds are funded.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
In Oregon...
It is to prevent discrimination against the handicapped
and to keep Mykenk out of their state.
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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
You should write them a letter
and tell them you aren’t going to visit the state of Oregon until you can pump your own gas. I’d be curious how they reply
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
17 reasons for what?
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
I propose you systematically
argue all 17 points…. I think you are being a little loose with your .75 estimation.
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
you can self-serve your motorcycle though
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
you can put gas in your motorcycle
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:50 PM CST up reply actions
how many people in wheelchairs
have you seen using a motorcycle?
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 4:07 PM CST up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Surprised Oregon hasn’t banned Motorcycles because they discriminate against the handicapped.
Shruggity
by Mykenk on Feb 19, 2010 4:10 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
the blind people
were too busy officiating the Packers playoff game.
Q: Did you ever scout Corey Hart? What seems to be holding him back from being a good hitter for AVG?
A: The slider away. And that facial hair.
-Keith Law ESPN chat 2/11/10
As the resident Oregonian, I feel I should chime in
It does help with the handicapped. I know that here in Wisconsin, you can get people to pump your gas for you if you are handicapped, but I’ve heard that it’s difficult to get the attention of some stations. It also helps with joblessness though… which they need with a 10% unemployment rate right now. It’s even more important when you consider that most of the gas pumpers tend to be young adults with higher unemployment rates.
The people pumping your gas are also specially trained to handle any possible problems with the pump, ranging from nozzle malfunction to fire issues. Since pumps are monitored more, it also cuts down on the costs of repairs, since attendants know how to fix most problems. And, it helps to cut down on drive-offs, since they yell at you if you try to grab the nozzle yourself.
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It's actually pretty close
In Eugene, where I grew up, the cheapest price is $2.59/gallon for unleaded. In some places though, it’s as low as $2.38/gallon. But, if the stations didn’t have to pay the attendees, yeah it would probably be cheaper.
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Do vacationers unused to mandatory gas attendant usage...
… ever get arrested for disorderly behavior when they yell back? Pretty sure if I drove into Oregon (something I’m thinking about doing in about 6 weeks), started to pump my own gas only to be yelled at by the attendant I’d probably start yelling back before I figured out what the hell was going on…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 19, 2010 4:44 PM CST up reply actions
I don't remember hearing of anything like that
And I’m sure that it wouldn’t go as far as an arrest since it’s just a simple misunderstanding. I dunno, maybe we’ll see if TheJay can test that for us this summer.
#CounsellWSMVP10 - realize the dream
Tell him to talk in the third person!
“TheJay pumps his own gas, homes.”
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 19, 2010 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
How is anyone being charged twice here?
There’s a price for the pizza, plus a surcharge to have it delivered. I feel like one of us is missing something.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
but you then have to tip the driver on top of that
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't get me wrong, I'd still tip if i ordered from a place with a delivery charge
But I just choose not to order delivery from them. That means that they lose my business when I don’t want to leave the house. Their loss, I guess.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Feb 19, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're tipping in acknowledgement of service performed
The same reason you tip at a full-service restaurant, and not at McDonald’s.
I’ve been in the restaurant business for more than 10 years. If there’s anything that aggravates you, its some guy who develops an entitlement reason to not tip simply to cover up the fact that they are either cheapskate asshats or too ignorant to understand why they are tipping. I also love the “its not my fault that your bosses want to screw you over by paying you $2.33/hour instead of a real wage, and I’m not going to pay your wages for them” guy. How is it that guy doesn’t realize that I could pay all of my servers $10/hour, but then he’s going to be paying ME $20 for a hamburger. Dummy.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 19, 2010 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
Way to miss my point completely.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
It was more of a generalized rant, I acknowledge
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 19, 2010 11:39 PM CST up reply actions
problem is
the pizza joint keeps the money to themselves 95% of the time. Yeah, some of that money goes to insuring any accidents that happen to the cars when “on duty”, but the driver doesn’t see one cent of it.
And i think the “additional service” should be compensated…with a tip. not an increase in the price of the pizza (it’s the same pizza).
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 4:03 PM CST up reply actions
Do you have a problem with paying for shipping, then?
After all, you’re receiving the same item you’d be getting if you drove to the factory and picked it up.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
i wouldn't go to the factory
that’d be a long drive
if i get free shipping on an item I buy online, I compare that to other establishments that have a lower price but more shipping.
The lowest overall price for the same item gets my $
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
not to get into a political argument...
if the places would just bother to pay their employees the minimum wage…but there’s that loophole, you see….
one of the grocery stores i used to go to had a sign up “don’t tip the people bringing groceries to your car—we pay them the state-mandated wage.” Tips: just the excuse businesses have to treat workers like crap.
I'd be all for raising the minimum wage for people like delivery drivers, waitresses, etc.
But I do think tipping should still be part of that process, as an incentive for making an effort to provide good service.
The side challenge of tipping a pizza guy is that factors that should come into play in tip determination aren’t known until later. If my order is screwed up, or my pizza is cold, or the delivery guy had the box upside down and all my toppings are stuck to the top of the box, I don’t know that until they’re long gone with my money.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
In Oregon
Servers and the such are paid minimum wage… and they are tipped like they would be in Wisc.
I really despise people that make a big deal about tipping.
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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 19, 2010 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Tipping is like Jeff Suppan's contract
You give the money after you have received the services if you receive good service. The tip you leftdoes nothing to guarantee that youy will get good service the next time you sit down to eat. We paid for what Suppan did and are now regreating the “tip” we gave him as his “service” has been awful after receiving the “tip”
by Junked on Feb 19, 2010 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
"The tip you left does nothing to guarantee that you will get good service the next time you sit down to eat."
No it doesn’t guarantee good service, but it can exert an influence in either direction, speaking as a guy who was a waiter through parts of both college and law school.
And bad tipping is a virtual guarantee of bad service the next time.
Or worse. See the filmography of Ryan Reynolds and/or Justin Long for more information.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 19, 2010 4:37 PM CST up reply actions
What a stupid sign.
I bagged groceries when i was 15, and they told us not to take tips. it didn’t stop us from taking them. Do you really think the bagboy isn’t going to take a tip if it’s given to them? The store just comes out looking like a bunch of jerks by putting up that sign.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I'm sure it doesn't stop bagboys from taking them.
But I’d guess it deters some customers from giving them out.
Of course, most of the grocery stores I shop at don’t even have carry-out service anymore. Some don’t even have baggers.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I was at one of the self-check outs the other day...
… and I got to hear a 60 year old man loudly ask a 16 year old store employee “where the f*** are the mangoes on this thing?” while gesturing angrily at the touchpad screen.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 19, 2010 4:39 PM CST up reply actions
A lot of older women would ask you to take their groceries to their car.
They would tip you pretty rewardingly. I’m sure the store wants their workers to not accept the money, as they want to say, “It’s simply part of our caring service.” But putting a sign up telling customers not to tip seems like it is sending the wrong message.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I worked one summer at a grocery store where you were expected to take groceries out to the car for everyone
Only one person tipped me, but I wasn’t inclined to try and get tips anyway.
In most retail environments
You’re just not allowed to take tips. I had a friend nearly get fired once because they helped solve someone’s problem and received booze in return.
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I refused tips
When I worked at office max.
I didn’t, however, refuse the private contract work. Hell yes, I’ll service your computer at $60/hr.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 4:11 PM CST up reply actions
haha hilarious
you should read my rant about folks like you who don’t understand tipped wages.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Feb 19, 2010 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
My forehead has bruises as well
from reading the comments on the original post, as well as this other link. It’s as simple as this for me: if you don’t have enough to tip, you don’t have enough to order delivery(or eat at a sitdown restaurant either). The delivery fee is just there to make the food look cheaper than it actually is. As a terrible side effect, it allows cheapskates to feel like they’ve done right by the driver while stiffing them. I’m a driver myself, and we get $6/hr plus $1.25 a run out of a $2 delivery fee. I don’t get any kind of gas reimbursement, so round trip to some places can actually be a net loss for me. As in, I would have been better of in the warm store than out in the cold and snow delivering to jerks who don’t tip. I don’t get too upset about tips, because decent people help even it out, but how fair is that? Someone who treats you fairly pays more, and cheapskates get a discount!
Something I only noticed now
The current poll nevers uses the synonym “spawn.” For instance:
Tony Gwynn’s spawn
only for a particularly satananic father.
seed also could apply.
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
The quiz has been up for a while now
And I’m just now coming to realize that Mack McGehee should’ve been an option. I would’ve voted for him.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
And by quiz, I meant poll.
I’ve been working on my basement today. I wonder if I inhaled some kind of fumes.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Yes, you are correct.. Sort of.
Winners will be notified around February 19th.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I think you're the bearer of bad news for me then.
No email for me. :(
by KittenMittons on Feb 19, 2010 6:59 PM CST up reply actions
The pizza tipping article
After reading that article, I have to say, I’m LESS likely to leave a decent tip to a pizza delivery guy, on the offchance that it happens to be that writer.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Feb 19, 2010 4:28 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Google hardcore sports radio
He’s good. Won’t be delivering pizzas any time soon.
I recommend giving his radio show a shot. It’s all podcasted on the HSR site
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2010 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
i think RJ is referring to the initial article linked by KL
written by a woman, no?
by PagsBrewCrew on Feb 19, 2010 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhh. I always think everytthing is about ME
I’m a whore like that
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It's all related to the Brewers.
I think we all have tips we’d like to give Jeff Suppan.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Easily one of my favorite Mugs ever. Hands down.
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2010 10:57 PM CST up reply actions
I think we're all buzzing with Spring Fever
I was drunk. Sue me.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 19, 2010 11:06 PM CST up reply actions
if you don't count
all of the times that the Cubs fans stop by.
Q: Did you ever scout Corey Hart? What seems to be holding him back from being a good hitter for AVG?
A: The slider away. And that facial hair.
-Keith Law ESPN chat 2/11/10
2:00 and counting!
on the spring training countdown clock! It feels like New Year’s Eve.
You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.
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57 | 46 | .553 | 0 | Won 2 |
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St. Louis
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56 | 46 | .549 | 0.5 | Lost 1 |
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Milwaukee
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48 | 55 | .466 | 9 | Lost 2 |
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46 | 56 | .450 | 10.5 | Lost 2 |
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