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Weekend Mug 2/21 Pitchers and Catchers Report.

Hey dudes!

I'm on the clock this weekend, and it is a big weekend, as our pitchers and catchers are reporting to Maryvale to start getting ready for the 2010 season.

Here is the big news so far from camp - Courtesy of brewerscom twitter

Rain today in Maryvale.

Rain sucks, and Mark Rogers wants to be more than a rehabber.

Hopefully we will get more updates today about our team.

TH did manage to interview, our owner Mark Attanasio, and talked all about our payroll approaching $90M. Mark A. seems encouraged by the fans, and it appears that fan enthusiasm is clearly helping our front office make some tough decisions.

Ken Macha was also interviewed, (leftover questions here)

Two questions stood out to me in particular

Q.Could your connection with players have been better last season? And if so, what can you do about it this year?

A. I think sometimes criticism as far as that is concerned is unfair. First, like I said earlier, you're trying to learn everybody's name and second, learn what makes them tick, which was a learning process. Third, when Alexander Graham Bell developed the telephone, you can dial from both ends, OK? My phone is on in my office starting at 1 (p.m.) every day. I can remember one day I had the original lineup with Prince (Fielder) hitting third and he came into my office right away and explained his feelings about hitting third and we got that straightened out. There is communication on both sides of it. The manager has to deal with 25 players, two trainers, a general manager, an assistant general manager, owner, six coaches. A player has one person he needs to go talk to. I feel if there's a need to come talk to me, they should feel free to come and do so.

Communication issues usually are more substantial than "learning everyone's name". I have a hard time believing that a guy who has been around baseball for the last 30+ years is going to let "learning player's names" be an obstacle -- Macha probably should have bought some baseball cards, or a media guide before heading into spring training last year. Furthermore, while your phone can be dialed from both ends, someone still needs to pick up and talk, which seems to have been a problem for Macha last year. I don't like Macha passing the buck here. If he made mistakes last season, that's A-OK, why not own up to them, and give us an indication that changes are going to be made? Here's to hoping Ken picks up the phone this season.

Q.What will you be looking for in a backup catcher, and can Gregg Zaun catch 100-plus games this season?

A. I'm not so much worried about the offensive production of a backup catcher. I want someone who has a good understanding of how to handle a pitcher. I look more at the defensive part of it. That's definitely one of my concerns, also. . . . I talked to Joe Maddon, the Tampa Bay manager, and asked how Gregg performed for him and how he handles the pitchers and all that. But he is a little older. To think he will catch as many as (Jason) Kendall, that's a little unrealistic. But on the flip side, he can hit you seven, eight, nine, 10 home runs.

Zaun is 3 years older than Kendall, but Kendall has caught (~1900 v. ~1000) almost twice as many games in his career. I think Kendall catching 282 games for the Brewers in the last 2 seasons was unrealistic -- but it happened. If you look at what Zaun has done as far as appearances in the last 4 seasons, he is getting into about 80 games a year. Of course, this is roughly 50% of the total games, which means that if Zaun is a starter, his backups will probably see about as much time behind the dish as Gregg does. My guess, is that this translates into one of two possible outcomes... 1.) Zaun is going to get stretched out this year or 2.) We just aren't going to worry about offensive production from the catcher in 2010.

In other news, former Brewer All-Star Ben Sheets reports to camp for Oakland.

Current baseball legend Russell Branyan, has signed a 1 year deal with the Tribe. (2010, $2M+1M in incentives, mutual $5M option for 2011). Branyan will probably start the season at 1b for the Tribe, until LaPorta is healthy and/or decent. Branyan of course started his career in Cleveland, after being drafted in 1994. Since then, Branyan has been acquired by Cleveland 3 times.

  • In 2002 the Indians traded Branyan to the Reds for Ben Broussard.
  • In April 2004, Branyan was traded to the Indians from Atlanta, for some minor leaguer. In July, the Indians sent Russell to Milwaukee.
  • In August 2007, Branyan was signed by the Indians, 2 days later he was sold to the Phillies.

If you like mammoth jackshots, (and you are nuts if you don't), you may enjoy watching some of Branyan's best from the last 2 seasons.

Rick Peterson has an interest in biomechanics. While I am all for integrating more science into the Brewers pitching effort to help prevent injuries, a few things have me concerned.

  • First, Peterson, didn't work in baseball last year, but worked for his company "3Psports" which is a company that offers all sorts of products related to "biomechanics". I sort of get the impression that Peterson is "pumping up his resume" to help promote his business down the road.
  • Second, What was Peterson hired to do for the Brewers? Be a pitching coach, or an injury-prevention specialist? I can certainly understand the need to prevent injury, but injury prevention isn't necessarily a path to success, (see Jeff Suppan). I guess I have more concerns about getting pitchers like Parra and Yo to the next level, than I do about their "bio-mechanics". I do think the Brewers should have a guy who studies our pitchers' collective biomechanics, but it seems to me, that process should be happening more at the A-AA level of the organization, and not so much at the MLB level.
  • Third, Peterson's "peak performance triangle." In another life, when I was in the world of business, I learned quickly how to distract people with geometrical shapes when the "math was not on my side". Triangles are essentially circles with more corners. Therefore I am skeptical on approaches or plans that rely on shapes.
  • Fourth, I really question how much Peterson understands about kinesiology. Peterson does have a degree in Art and Psychology, but no formal training in human kinetics (as far as I can tell). If Peterson sells himself as an expert, I think it is fair then to look at his career and see if he has been successful in what he claims to do. I don't see any evidence that Peterson has been any more or less successful at preventing injuries than any other pitching coaches out there. Are we just taking his word for it? or is Peterson wagging his finger at the problem he is also responsible for causing. If you want to read an opposing opinion on Peterson, from a guy who has a PhD in kinesiology, and a Cy Young award, click here and search for "Rick Peterson" in your browser (its a clunky website but informative).
  • Lastly, I can't decide what 80s band Peterson looks like he performed with 30 years ago. He either looks like a guy from Tears for Fears or a guy from INXS. I fully expect to see the following in an upcoming interview.

Back in 1983 on the Shabooh Shoobah tour, Hutch and I started messing around with American baseball. First we started playing catch, then we organized some games between the road crew and the band. I was able to get a pretty good break on my pitches... The guys always used to kid me, and say I shouldn't quit my day job, which was hunting dingos... I always knew that I could get into baseball once our recording careers were over.

That's all I have for you unless you don't know who Tears for Fears or INXS are.

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There's a lot of good stuff in here

But I rec’ed it for the photo.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Feb 21, 2010 8:13 AM CST reply actions  

I appreciate the Russell Branyan Retrospective

but the MLB clips aren’t loading for me. :(
Still, I can replay the bomb off Joe Nathan in my mind, right down to the screaming (mine) and jumping up and down and high fiving (mine and the ushers next to whom I was standing). It took my voice a couple of days to rebound.

You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.

by hawing on Feb 21, 2010 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

I so vividly remember Uecker saying during that at-bat

“Well he’s not up there to hit a single, we know what he’s looking to do here”

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 21, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Was he ever up there to hit a single?

In the “Branyan hits the longest HR in Camden Yards in 2009” the announcer said “Branyan trying to get on here in the 7th inning” I immediately think to myself: “No he’s not, he is going to try to take a trot around the bases after tearing the cover off of the ball.”

by BrewCrewBrian on Feb 22, 2010 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

Love the Branyan bombs too

Looks like the 3-0 homer is in seattle not baltimore though.

by thefreewheelin76 on Feb 21, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

I love how we go absolutelty apeshit for our home runs

I don’t think another stadium erupts like Miller Park does for a bomb.

I was drunk. Sue me.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Feb 21, 2010 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

A few days later

I still feel compelled to remark that Russell Branyan has the best home run trot in the universe. He just jogs stoically, as if he’s thinking, “just doin’ my job, folks.”

You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.

by hawing on Feb 23, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with some of your concerns about Petersen

but I do want to point out that Marshall isn’t exactly an impartial source, he has been out to get Petersen for some time. Take what he says with a disclaimer.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 21, 2010 8:53 AM CST reply actions  

Marshall has no reason to be impartial

He has a doctorate in Kinesiology and has been studying its application in pitching mechanics for 40 years — and he won a Cy Young Award. While his studies and opinions are authoritative, he definitely is someone who should be in the discussion.

Marshall is not out to get Peterson, rather Marshall is trying to prevent pitching injuries caused by the “traditional approach” to pitching…. Peterson is part of that approach.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm impartial in the Peterson vs. Marshall debate

But, isn’t Marshall against the “traditional approach” that has worked for basically every successful pitcher and pitching coach in the history of the sport? I’m not saying that Peterson is a genius or that Marshall is wrong, but from the points brought up in the article you linked I’d be more inclined to side with Peterson and so it seems would most professionals currently involved in pitching mechanics.

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by SRB on Feb 21, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It really depends on what you define as success

Mike Marshall is interested in reducing pitching injuries — MLB pitching coaches are interested in winning ball-games. Marshall is trying to eradicate pitching injuries at the youth level, not become a MLB pitching coach.

Baseball has NOT been successful in reducing pitching injuries. Certainly some pitchers have avoided injuries. Baseball does not exactly embrace change

Where Marshall fails in my eyes, is that I believe the science behind his delivery, however, I am skeptical that his approach to pitching would get MLB batters out. However, until a pitcher using his delivery shows us otherwise, I am not sure we will ever know definitively.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

If you can throw 87 and never get injured or throw 93 and have a 40% chance of getting a severe arm injury, most professional pitchers are going to take that chance.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Feb 21, 2010 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

It's really not a velocity issue.

Here is the issue as I see it.

1.) MM believes that the “traditional delivery” inherently causes injuries in young pitchers. I don’t think there is anyway to argue otherwise this, given the amount of kids in the minors, college and HS that blow out their arms.

2.) MM developed a “non-traditional” pitching delivery based on his research. Here is a kid throwing it here. As you can see, it is extremely different, and an entirely new approach. This approach would have to be taught at an early age, or a pitcher would have to relearn mechanics.

3.) The rub is, is that MLB teams do not have the time or inclination to rework all of their pitchers mechanics.

I think a good analogy would be place-kicking in the NFL. When I was a kid, most kickers were “straight-on” kickers like Mark Mosley, Jim Turner, etc… little by little European, soccer-style kickers started to infiltrate the NFL, guys like Garo Yepremian, and Jan Stenerud showed up, and their technique proved to be superior.

NFL teams could not “teach” their existing kickers the European style of kicking, as it was a whole different method, and given the fact that place-kickers are barely human, it was just natural to just phase them out. Nowadays, I would be surprised if any youth football players are taught the “straight on” approach.

Of course a MLB franchise’s roster of pitchers is so much more complex and substantial, it is probably just easier to chalk up some blown up arms as the cost of doing business. There would be way too much infra-structure to overhaul.

A lot of guys like Dick Mills, Tom House, and Rick Peterson etc., theorize that you can make adjustments to the “traditional delivery” and eradicate injury — however, pitchers are still getting hurt all the time, and if you read MM’s website, you can see in detail why these approaches are unsuccessful, in a large part because they are former athletes that have no grasp on human kinetics.

MM’s obstacle is that no team is going to be able to coach one of his pitchers if they sign him, and also, most youth pitchers that have MLB caliber arms, are going to fall in line with what the current establishment of coaches tell them.

I have no idea if MM’s delivery would work on the MLB level, I would be content to see it get the chance to fail. He did win a Cy Young, so I think he has some idea of what pitchers need to be able to do to be successful at that level.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 22, 2010 7:45 AM CST up reply actions  

MM Curve

Looks like Turnbows delivery. Messy…

by SgtClueLs on Feb 22, 2010 8:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Zaun

I think Zaun is your typical 110-120 game pace starting C and that should be the generic expectation for his playtime. Last year he was forced into more of a backup roll once Weiters came up and he split time with Navarro in TB. He was on the DL one time every year from 2005-2008 which is why the games are a bit lower.

Given his age and injury risk most likely he’ll catch 2/3 of the games while healthy but hit the DL at some point as well. So in the end you get 80-100 games but it isn’t split like a dual catcher set up, it is a 2/3 starter while healthy.

by Ender on Feb 21, 2010 9:20 AM CST reply actions  

I agree

But I think he will appear in at least 100 games. Of course, I may be biased by the trivia that would ensue.

If he can’t or doesn’t and Treanor/Kottaras/Salome/Lucroy/inexplicable waiver claim starts half the season, I don’t think it will be a big deal in terms of where the team ends up.

by TheJay on Feb 21, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Note Macha didn't mention anyone from PR

Your Branyan dingers line reminds me of this:

McGwire: Young Bart here is right. We are spying on you, pretty much around the clock.
Bart: But why, Mr. McGwire?
McGwire: Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
Crowd: Dingers! Dingers! [McGwire hits the long ball] Oooh!

by TheJay on Feb 21, 2010 9:29 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Not only did you post a Simpsons quote...

but one I would not have come up with. That’s a rec.

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 21, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions  

I have been looking for the clip on YouTube for this!

Classic Simpsons.

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by Bush League All Star on Feb 21, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

The Simpsons quote I came up was in reference to FtJ's comment on Peterson's triangle vs circle vs any other overly simplistic teaching aide:

From Bart’s Inner Child, the self-help episode

Brad Goodman: Folks, I’m often asked about my qualifications. Well, I may not have a lot of “credentials” or “training”, but I tell you one thing: I’m a Ph.D. in pain. Now let me show you how you can change your life.
[draws circle on chalkboard]
Troy, this circle is you.
Troy McClure: It’s like you’ve known me all my life!

by cmow on Feb 21, 2010 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Couple of things...

1. I think Peterson looks like the freaking Crypt Keeper and getting a decent hair cut should have been one of the conditions of his contract.

2. “Branyan ties the game against the stupid Cubs, causing Prince Fielder to lose his mind.” Thank you. I’m not sure why exactly, but reading this sentence made me very happy.

3. I have no idea what Macha is like with his players. But having a phone that takes calls and leaving your door open, or even SAYING my door is always open, does not necessarily mean that he’s receptive or even polite, let alone that he encourages the players to come to him with their concerns. The fact that he’s defensive about that kind of criticism suggests to me that he’s probably pretty good at sending the message that the players should just keep quiet. When I was a kid there was this asshole old man who lived in my neighborhood. I’m not sure who pissed in his cornflakes in 1949, but he spent the last 10 years of his life screaming from his porch at anyone (kids or adults) who had the temerity to walk past his house. Pretty sure that guy had working doors and phones too.

4. Pointing out that Prince once walked into your office and told you what he thought doesn’t prove much. I don’t know him, but I get the impression that Prince is one of those folks who’s willing to tell anyone what he thinks.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 21, 2010 9:44 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

I think Peterson looks like the freaking Crypt Keeper

So you’re saying he looks more like Michael Hutchence from INXS, then? (Too soon?)

by Rubie Q on Feb 21, 2010 11:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Crypt Keeper is perfect.

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

I get the impression that Prince is one of those folks who’s willing to tell anyone what he thinks.

And if he has a bat in his hand, anyone he is talking to had better fricking listen tooo

by Saberilliterate on Feb 21, 2010 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I could watch Branyan bombs all day...

A bit sad he didn’t reup with the Mariners, could see him in Spring Training.

by SgtClueLs on Feb 21, 2010 10:28 AM CST reply actions  

Or in June

at Miller Park. Now I (and probably Sgt as well) will be relegated to picking random days to wear a Branyan player tee.

You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.

by hawing on Feb 21, 2010 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Actually

Since last year, the Indians train in Arizona. Nice, now I’m really excited I’ll be in Phoenix to see Indians v. Brewers at Maryvale next month.

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by Lefti on Feb 21, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Gonna always miss that guy

I miss Russell…couldn’t we have scrounged up $2 million more for him…talk about an ideal bat off the bench and I’m pretty sure he can play back up 1st (not needed, I know…see Fielder, Prince) and 3rd…

by Brewcityhoya13 on Feb 21, 2010 11:19 AM CST reply actions  

I think each of your Peterson concerns is pretty legit. If you asked him these ?'s, I think he'd clear them up.

However, When you question how much he understands kinesiology, I think he would respond with how much training he has under the direction of Dr. James Andrews, who is probably THE expert on pitching injuries.

He links to an interview he did on KFAN a few weeks ago on his twitter. He mentioned something about, and I don’t remember the exact quote here, how in the last 3 years, nobody who went through his system suffered from an injury. I’m probably messing up the quote, but he does have at least a recent track record of preventing injuries. Not sure how well that will translate to the majors, though.

Also, as far as plugging his business goes, I think you’re right here. He is definitely getting back into it as a plug for his business. I mean, the dude won’t shut up about 3P. However, if he doesn’t do a good job, it’s a terrible plug, so he has that much more incentive riding on how well the pitchers perform.

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 11:22 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

You said this:

“I think he would respond with how much training he has under the direction of Dr. James Andrews, who is probably THE expert on pitching injuries.”

1.) I would question the “training” Peterson has received. It certainly would not be formal education. I would certainly continue to question Peterson’s credentials.

2.) Dr. James Andrews is a orthopedic surgeon, not a kinesiologist that has studied pitching mechanics. Andrews may be the expert on repairing injuries, but I am not convinced he has an understanding of how to prevent pitching injuries. Also, Andrews has been predominant in sports medicine for quite some time, I would like to see where he has an impact in reducing injuries… fixing certainly, but not preventing them.

You said this: “nobody who went through his system suffered from an injury. I’m probably messing up the quote, but he does have at least a recent track record of preventing injuries”

I know as a pitching coach he has had injures under his watch — which really doesn’t bother me… I guess I see the need for a good pitching coach, and also someone who works with our young pitchers in the minors to prevent injuries — with Peterson we seem to get neither.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Andrews

From Peterson’s wikipedia:

3P Sports combined Peterson’s coaching philosophies for conditioning, pitching drills and sports psychology with biomechanical analysis data using the work done by Dr. James Andrew’s American Sports Medicine Institute ASMI as the benchmark.

From the ASMI wikipedia:

The American Sports Medicine Institute1 (ASMI) located in Birmingham, Alabama was founded in 1986 by Dr. James Andrews and Dr. Lawrence Lemak with funding from HealthSouth Corporation. It is a non-profit organization dedicated to improving the understanding, prevention, and treatment of sports-related injuries through research, technology-based education, and information dissemination.

An ESPN article on Andrews said the following:

“[Andrews] is the alpha doc at the center of a sports-medicine network that extends well beyond doctors. Every athletic trainer, physical therapist, strength-and-conditioning coach in the land seems to have Andrews’ cell phone number”.

In the interview I referenced above, Peterson mentions that Andrews has been running a baseball course for 27 years on injury prevention.

So, to say that Andrews is an orthopedic surgeon, not a kinesiologist that has studied pitching mechanics is wrong.

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I fail to see where Andrews has any sort of credentials in human kinetics.

I am not saying Andrews is a waste of skin, however I don’t see where he is anything more than a surgeon.

Logically, Andrews has been around long enough and certainly renown enough, so that if he was effective we would see a decline in injuries, which we haven’t.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Are you alluding to the idea that a doctor wants people to get hurt?

And since he’s doing research in biomechanics (AKA human kinetics), and teaching coaches, trainers, etc about how to prevent injuries, he’s actually giving bad advice and trying to increase injuries?

I believe every single doctor in the country would have a problem with that statement.

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

haha, yeah, I know, I was kidding.

No, that’s not actually what I believe, of course.

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Feb 21, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Even Dr. Nick?

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 21, 2010 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

"The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money."

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by Yar Nivek on Feb 22, 2010 12:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I would say a medical doctor (and what’s more one of the foremost sports medicine and shoulder/elbow specialists in the country) has as much credibility on the issue as anyone. That said, Peterson is our pitching coach, not Andrews.

Also, not due to Andrews specifically, but I would wager there has been a large decrease in pitching-related injuries over the years with the advent of pitch counts and the like at the major league level.

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by SRB on Feb 21, 2010 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

His credentials

1. Leading surgeon. Part of being a doctor involves taking courses on Human Anatomy. You cannot become a surgeon, let alone the leading tendon surgeon in the world without having an extensive knowledge about how the body works.

2. Years of research. He’s been running a sports medicine institute which has been doing years of research of pitching injuries. Peterson has been working with him to study that research, perform research of his own, and then apply it to real-life situations.

This argument is becoming petty. I’m not trying to say that Peterson is going to save the pitching staff, I just don’t think it’s fair to question his credentials.

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 3:15 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't agree

1.) I have a degree in Electrical Engineering. I took courses in Physics, a lot of them, however. I am not a physicist. I am sure that Andrews is a great surgeon — however, that does not mean that he knows anything about such a specific body use like pitching, and I am skeptical that he has ever researched and tested an alternative method that would prevent injury.

2.) You really don’t know the partnership of Andrews and Peterson. I don’t either. I just know that his pitchers are not injury-free.

3.) I don’t understand why you think this argument is petty. I disagree with you. It’s largely subjective.

4.) When the guy is making webinars, and telling people he can allow them to pitch injury free, you had better question his credentials. If you find them acceptable, then that’s OK – I don’t think he has the credentials or the history to claim what he does.

He advocated a trade that got the Mets V. Zambrano for Kazmir…. Now that is petty :)

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

1) My point is, although he is ‘only a surgeon’ and ‘only specializes in sports injuries’… the fact that he’s been doing research on bio mechanics and injury prevention give him credentials to be an expert.

2) I’ve never met either of them, nor have I seen either of them in the same place at the same time. However, Peterson has said that he has developed his company with support from Andrews, and he used the ASMI research as a starting point for his own research and the programs he’s developed.

3) Um. The Grapist.

4) I wish he wasn’t focusing so much on his company. I think most of us can agree with that. Sure, it’d be idealif he had a doctorate in Kinesciology (spelling), pitching experience, coaching experience, and years of research to boot. But alas, he only has a Psych degree…. and the other 3 items.. I’m a believer that you learn way more through job experience than you ever would in school. Just because he’s not a doctor, doesn’t mean his research is crap. Especially since he’s working with doctors at 3P. I’m sure he has some experts in his field working alongside him. It’s not like he’s doing this research in his basement. But hey, if you think the guy’s a fraud, I guess I can’t change your mind.

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 5:52 PM CST up reply actions  

The thing we're all not mentioning here

I’m sure Andrews isn’t the only doctor involved with ASMI. The guy may/may not be an expert in kinesiology, but I’d bet my next paycheck he has one on staff.

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by Kyle Lobner on Feb 21, 2010 6:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yes!

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by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 10:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

"That does not mean that he knows anything about a specific body use like pitching"

Any specialist doctor of that caliber is going to know basically everything there is to know about his specialty. Considering Andrews is one of the top elbow/shoulder doctors in the country and that most of his job is dealing with people who throw things, I would imagine he has a certain degree of expertise on pitching mechanics.

You’re right though, his job isn’t really to develop baseball pitchers’ throwing mechanics (though neither is Peterson’s, for the most part)

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by SRB on Feb 21, 2010 7:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Your last note is a concern of mine as well.

Take Monday, for example, where the Brewers are having their first official workout, and Peterson is advertising a live webinar.

I know other coaches and athletes have side ventures and they find the time for both. But I worry that the Brewers are Peterson’s side venture.

But, with that said, the fact that Peterson has a lot at stake here could be a good thing in the long run. If Peterson can’t do all the things people expect him to do, if the Brewer staff is terrible or injury-riddled, then that would be a blow to both Peterson the pitching coach and Peterson the pitchman.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Feb 21, 2010 12:00 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree that Peterson has all the reason to want to succeed.

and I hope he does….

I don’t think the A1 priority of the Brewers is injury prevention — I think the bigger priorities are preparation and “learning how to get guys out”. Guys like Parra and Yo need to get to the next level (different levels).

It seems to me the best job for a guy like Peterson would be some sort of pitching czar that takes over the development of drafted and young pitchers… not a guy that has to tell Manny Parra something on the mound when Parra has baserunners on and Pujols at the plate.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 12:06 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It's possible he can do both.

Based on the hype leading to his debut, I’ve been led to believe he is some kind of superbeing/messianic combination.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Feb 21, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions  

My problem is that

Peterson is going to come in and get credit for our pitchers getting much better even though they likely had nowhere to go but up after last season. Well, that and his mullet. Never trust a guy with a mullet.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 21, 2010 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think what cooper was saying....

Is that you hate to see thing attributed to the wrong adjustments.

For example:
Prince became a vegetarian, and now can’t hit - therefore he needs to eat meat. -

that sort of thing.

Manny Parra did better this year, it must be because of the new PC.

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 21, 2010 2:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure he can take credit.

I believe there will be a marked improvement just because of the guys brought in and Bush/Parra returning to norms. It doesn’t mean he had any real effect. Parra and Bush in particular were so bad that I really doubt they would be worse in 2010 if you took a random guy off the street to be pitching coach. Now we get a guy in with high ideas and he is supposed to be our pitching savior so to speak when he is going to come in and be the beneficiary of guys returning to career norms. Unless of course he gets Suppan into the rotation with a sub-4 ERA on the season. Then I will be a believer.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 21, 2010 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but before you mentioned you'd have a problem with him taking the credit...

.. I’m saying, I don’t care how, but I want the pitchers to do better. And if they do, and Rick thinks it’s his doing, then good for him, we’ll be the judge of that…

Shruggity

by Mykenk on Feb 21, 2010 3:07 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I pretty much agree...

… though maybe Cooper’s point is that if the pitchers do better this year and we throw a bunch of money and several more years at Peterson as a result, it would suck if the pitchers didn’t improve because of him and we only find that out after paying him millions of dollars for a pitching staff that doesn’t get any better.

Not saying I believe that will happen (I’m actually pretty optimistic about the guy and his ideas), but it would suck if it did.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 21, 2010 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly. He can come in and get credit for guys rebounding and further his career without really doing anything.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 21, 2010 3:47 PM CST up reply actions  

This is going to be a long season

if it takes months for Macha to learn the players’ names. Just saying.

by mnbrewer on Feb 21, 2010 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

haha

The lineup will be:
1. fast talker
2. Baldy
3. T-Shirts
4. Big Guy
5. Swinger
6. Newbie
7. Old Man
8. Pitch
9. Swift

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Feb 21, 2010 8:13 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Benjamin Button will bat 2nd.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Feb 22, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Nice!

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by Fatter than Joey on Feb 22, 2010 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

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